New report on climate change released today

[bleubird]

I live a few miles from one of the largest ice fields in north America.I heard some years ago that as the north Pacific warms we will get more precipitation.That will mean more snow on the ice field.Which will mean more ice in the future.

 

[laughing dog]

Scott Adams tweeted: 97% of climate scientists agree that Gen IV nuclear power -- that is safe from meltdown, and eats nuclear waste from older reactors for energy -- is the only known way to combat climate change in time, and at the needed scale.

It can dramatically reduce emissions, but it cannot combat climate change unless it also takes CO2 out of the atmosphere.

 

[repoman]

Give this video a shot, Richard Alley is just about the very best expert who is also great at explaining to both scientists and the general public. He is neither alarmist nor boring and monotone.



If you watch this 24 minute video, I will watch any ~30 minute climate video of your choice, Angelo.

 

[George S]

Scott Adams tweeted: 97% of climate scientists agree that Gen IV nuclear power -- that is safe from meltdown, and eats nuclear waste from older reactors for energy -- is the only known way to combat climate change in time, and at the needed scale.

It can dramatically reduce emissions, but it cannot combat climate change unless it also takes CO2 out of the atmosphere.

It generates no CO2. So all coal fired and natural gas fired power plants which emit CO2 would go away.

 

[angelo]

Give this video a shot, Richard Alley is just about the very best expert who is also great at explaining to both scientists and the general public. He is neither alarmist nor boring and monotone.



If you watch this 24 minute video, I will watch any ~30 minute climate video of your choice, Angelo.

Pen State, the very same uni that also employs Michael Mann? Not biased much are they!

My video isn't as long and or as boring as the usual shite served up by alarmists.

 

[angelo]

Scott Adams tweeted: 97% of climate scientists agree that Gen IV nuclear power -- that is safe from meltdown, and eats nuclear waste from older reactors for energy -- is the only known way to combat climate change in time, and at the needed scale.

It can dramatically reduce emissions, but it cannot combat climate change unless it also takes CO2 out of the atmosphere.

CO2 in the atmosphere is around 400 parts per million at the present time. There was a time when that level was 1200 PPM. Just how low does it have to get to before the activists/alarmists are satisfied, and can all life, including plant life be sustained on earth by the level dropping to say, 100 PPM?

 

[George S]

Scott Adams tweeted: 97% of climate scientists agree that Gen IV nuclear power -- that is safe from meltdown, and eats nuclear waste from older reactors for energy -- is the only known way to combat climate change in time, and at the needed scale.

It can dramatically reduce emissions, but it cannot combat climate change unless it also takes CO2 out of the atmosphere.

CO2 in the atmosphere is around 400 parts per million at the present time. There was a time when that level was 1200 PPM. Just how low does it have to get to before the activists/alarmists are satisfied, and can all life, including plant life be sustained on earth by the level dropping to say, 100 PPM?

Plants begin to starve at 150.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Give this video a shot, Richard Alley is just about the very best expert who is also great at explaining to both scientists and the general public. He is neither alarmist nor boring and monotone.



If you watch this 24 minute video, I will watch any ~30 minute climate video of your choice, Angelo.

Pen State, the very same uni that also employs Michael Mann? Not biased much are they!

My video isn't as long and or as boring as the usual shite served up by alarmists.

Once again you show you have no comprehension of the credibility of sources. The Heartland Institute?!

Anyway, it starts out talking about a Dr Tim Ballan (?), historical climatologist. I find no such person but it's similar to Tim Ball, who "won" a libel suit because his allegations were so nutty people wouldn't take them seriously.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Scott Adams tweeted: 97% of climate scientists agree that Gen IV nuclear power -- that is safe from meltdown, and eats nuclear waste from older reactors for energy -- is the only known way to combat climate change in time, and at the needed scale.

It can dramatically reduce emissions, but it cannot combat climate change unless it also takes CO2 out of the atmosphere.

CO2 in the atmosphere is around 400 parts per million at the present time. There was a time when that level was 1200 PPM. Just how low does it have to get to before the activists/alarmists are satisfied, and can all life, including plant life be sustained on earth by the level dropping to say, 100 PPM?

<Picks up railroad tie, clonks angelo> Apparently the standard clue-by-four isn't heavy enough to get through.

It's already been pointed out that when the CO2 levels were that high the sun wasn't putting out as much energy as it is now.

 

[Elixir]

...it's similar to Tim Ball, who "won" a libel suit because his allegations were so nutty people wouldn't take them seriously.

He WON. So angelo must be right!
(Best argument angelo has put forth yet.)

 

[angelo]

Give this video a shot, Richard Alley is just about the very best expert who is also great at explaining to both scientists and the general public. He is neither alarmist nor boring and monotone.



If you watch this 24 minute video, I will watch any ~30 minute climate video of your choice, Angelo.

Pen State, the very same uni that also employs Michael Mann? Not biased much are they!

My video isn't as long and or as boring as the usual shite served up by alarmists.

Once again you show you have no comprehension of the credibility of sources. The Heartland Institute?!

Anyway, it starts out talking about a Dr Tim Ballan (?), historical climatologist. I find no such person but it's similar to Tim Ball, who "won" a libel suit because his allegations were so nutty people wouldn't take them seriously.

It really grates the alarmists that Tim Ball won that case doesn't it! Perhaps a biased green judge would have helped the fraudster MM?

 

[angelo]

CO2 in the atmosphere is around 400 parts per million at the present time. There was a time when that level was 1200 PPM. Just how low does it have to get to before the activists/alarmists are satisfied, and can all life, including plant life be sustained on earth by the level dropping to say, 100 PPM?

<Picks up railroad tie, clonks angelo> Apparently the standard clue-by-four isn't heavy enough to get through.

It's already been pointed out that when the CO2 levels were that high the sun wasn't putting out as much energy as it is now.

You are aware that over the next million years or so the sun will get extremely uncomfortable for planet Earth. Perhaps raising the planets temperature by as much as 10-20C ?

Besides, you're admitting that the sun has an enormous influence on Earth's climate, which is completely ignored by the ignoratis of the cult of GW/CC!

 

[southernhybrid]

This may not amount to much, but even some of the oil companies are starting to take climate change more seriously and are looking at ways to possible reduce the amount of carbon in the air.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/07/business/energy-environment/climate-change-carbon-engineering.html

Chevron, Occidental Petroleum and the Australian mining giant BHP this year have invested in Carbon Engineering, a small Canadian company that claims to be on the verge of a breakthrough in solving a critical climate change puzzle: removing carbon already in the atmosphere.

At its pilot project in Squamish, an old lumber town about 30 miles north of Vancouver, the company is using an enormous fan to suck large amounts of air into a scrubbing vessel designed to extract carbon dioxide. The gas can then be buried or converted into a clean-burning — though expensive — synthetic fuel.

Investing in Carbon Engineering and other carbon-reduction initiatives is part of an emerging effort by fossil-fuel industries to remain relevant and profitable in a warming world. With electric cars and solar and wind power becoming increasingly affordable, executives acknowledge that business as usual could put their companies at risk.

Much of the work is done in an old industrial warehouse of corrugated metal adorned with faded graffiti, a structure once used by a company that made chemicals for the pulp industry. The temporary offices are decidedly makeshift, with the bathrooms entered from outside. No carbon is actually being pulled out of the atmosphere permanently because the company is still in testing mode.

Chevron and Occidental, which have each taken seats on Carbon Engineering’s board, refused to disclose their investments. The company says it raised a total of $68 million in its most recent funding round to expand the pilot and develop its first commercial plant.

Some critics say that this doesn't amount to much, while others say that any research that is looking into ways to reduce the impact of climate change is a positive. While the engineering aspects of this are over my head, if anyone has the background to understand the technology, this long article does give an explanation of what they are attempting to do. And, while it's not in this article, I know that BP has been investing a lot of money in wind farms.

 

[repoman]

CO2 in the atmosphere is around 400 parts per million at the present time. There was a time when that level was 1200 PPM. Just how low does it have to get to before the activists/alarmists are satisfied, and can all life, including plant life be sustained on earth by the level dropping to say, 100 PPM?

<Picks up railroad tie, clonks angelo> Apparently the standard clue-by-four isn't heavy enough to get through.

It's already been pointed out that when the CO2 levels were that high the sun wasn't putting out as much energy as it is now.

You are aware that over the next million years or so the sun will get extremely uncomfortable for planet Earth. Perhaps raising the planets temperature by as much as 10-20C ?

Besides, you're admitting that the sun has an enormous influence on Earth's climate, which is completely ignored by the ignoratis of the cult of GW/CC!

This is not related to now, you have not won this point if indeed you are dumb enough to think that playing this for points is why we are having this conversation.

This is really incredible, the junk in your head that is operating.

Someone should have a formal text based debate with angelo where non germaine points and complete misunderstandings of high school physics and chemistry and basic logic are highlighted and tallied against him.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Once again you show you have no comprehension of the credibility of sources. The Heartland Institute?!

Anyway, it starts out talking about a Dr Tim Ballan (?), historical climatologist. I find no such person but it's similar to Tim Ball, who "won" a libel suit because his allegations were so nutty people wouldn't take them seriously.

It really grates the alarmists that Tim Ball won that case doesn't it! Perhaps a biased green judge would have helped the fraudster MM?

I guess a railroad tie isn't a big enough clue-by-four.

<Clonks angelo with a telephone pole>

He "won" on the basis that his statement was too ridiculous to be believed and therefore not libel.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

CO2 in the atmosphere is around 400 parts per million at the present time. There was a time when that level was 1200 PPM. Just how low does it have to get to before the activists/alarmists are satisfied, and can all life, including plant life be sustained on earth by the level dropping to say, 100 PPM?

<Picks up railroad tie, clonks angelo> Apparently the standard clue-by-four isn't heavy enough to get through.

It's already been pointed out that when the CO2 levels were that high the sun wasn't putting out as much energy as it is now.

You are aware that over the next million years or so the sun will get extremely uncomfortable for planet Earth. Perhaps raising the planets temperature by as much as 10-20C ?

I'm not aware of any such thing.

Over time the sun will bake the surface, eventually drive off the oceans and finally turn us into a lava world and perhaps destroy us utterly (it will be close whether we fall in or not. I am not aware of this being decided conclusively either way.) However this will be on a timescale of far more than a million years.

Besides, you're admitting that the sun has an enormous influence on Earth's climate, which is completely ignored by the ignoratis of the cult of GW/CC!

It's not ignored. It's just the changes in the sun are not responsible for the effects we are seeing.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

CO2 in the atmosphere is around 400 parts per million at the present time. There was a time when that level was 1200 PPM. Just how low does it have to get to before the activists/alarmists are satisfied, and can all life, including plant life be sustained on earth by the level dropping to say, 100 PPM?

<Picks up railroad tie, clonks angelo> Apparently the standard clue-by-four isn't heavy enough to get through.

It's already been pointed out that when the CO2 levels were that high the sun wasn't putting out as much energy as it is now.

You are aware that over the next million years or so the sun will get extremely uncomfortable for planet Earth. Perhaps raising the planets temperature by as much as 10-20C ?

Besides, you're admitting that the sun has an enormous influence on Earth's climate, which is completely ignored by the ignoratis of the cult of GW/CC!

The ignorance makes one want to give up hope. Yes, of course the sun is a major influence on our climate. It is a major influence on the climate of Venus as well. But one planet is about 16 degrees Celsius and the other 416 degrees Celsius. So clearly, the sun and it's enormous amount of energy is not the end all influence on climate.

The portion of Earth tilted closer to the sun will be substantially warmer than the portion tilted away. That is the entire basis of our seasons! Where temps are 20 to 40 degrees different between winter and summer. So clearly, most absolutely clear to even a child, our climate is influenced by more than just the sun's energy output.

 

[angelo]

You are aware that over the next million years or so the sun will get extremely uncomfortable for planet Earth. Perhaps raising the planets temperature by as much as 10-20C ?

Besides, you're admitting that the sun has an enormous influence on Earth's climate, which is completely ignored by the ignoratis of the cult of GW/CC!

This is not related to now, you have not won this point if indeed you are dumb enough to think that playing this for points is why we are having this conversation.

This is really incredible, the junk in your head that is operating.

Someone should have a formal text based debate with angelo where non germaine points and complete misunderstandings of high school physics and chemistry and basic logic are highlighted and tallied against him.

Data, did you say data? Ball won because Mann had no defense for his fraudulent HockeyStitch! .....................................................https://principia-scientific.org/should-michael-hockey-stick-mann-be-prosecuted-for-climate-fraud/

 

[angelo]

You are aware that over the next million years or so the sun will get extremely uncomfortable for planet Earth. Perhaps raising the planets temperature by as much as 10-20C ?

Besides, you're admitting that the sun has an enormous influence on Earth's climate, which is completely ignored by the ignoratis of the cult of GW/CC!

The ignorance makes one want to give up hope. Yes, of course the sun is a major influence on our climate. It is a major influence on the climate of Venus as well. But one planet is about 16 degrees Celsius and the other 416 degrees Celsius. So clearly, the sun and it's enormous amount of energy is not the end all influence on climate.

The portion of Earth tilted closer to the sun will be substantially warmer than the portion tilted away. That is the entire basis of our seasons! Where temps are 20 to 40 degrees different between winter and summer. So clearly, most absolutely clear to even a child, our climate is influenced by more than just the sun's energy output.

That fails in more ways than you can poke a stick at...............I'm not sure what the fuck you're talking about. I presume you know about iceball Earth and ice ages that lasted for hundreds of thousands of years if not millions. The Earth still tilted as it does and has done for billions of years!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You are aware that over the next million years or so the sun will get extremely uncomfortable for planet Earth. Perhaps raising the planets temperature by as much as 10-20C ?

Besides, you're admitting that the sun has an enormous influence on Earth's climate, which is completely ignored by the ignoratis of the cult of GW/CC!

The ignorance makes one want to give up hope. Yes, of course the sun is a major influence on our climate. It is a major influence on the climate of Venus as well. But one planet is about 16 degrees Celsius and the other 416 degrees Celsius. So clearly, the sun and it's enormous amount of energy is not the end all influence on climate.

The portion of Earth tilted closer to the sun will be substantially warmer than the portion tilted away. That is the entire basis of our seasons! Where temps are 20 to 40 degrees different between winter and summer. So clearly, most absolutely clear to even a child, our climate is influenced by more than just the sun's energy output.

That fails in more ways than you can poke a stick at...............I'm not sure what the fuck you're talking about. I presume you know about iceball Earth and ice ages that lasted for hundreds of thousands of years if not millions. The Earth still tilted as it does and has done for billions of years!

*sigh*

Besides, you're admitting that the sun has an enormous influence on Earth's climate

Hence my response. IE, there are very influential non-Sun related aspects to what regulates our climate. Such as our tilt and the amounts of certain gases in our atmosphere.