ICE is at it again

[Loren Pechtel]

http://fortune.com/2019/06/14/premature-baby-border-patrol-texas/

Is it any wonder people keep dying in custody?

Personally, I'd like to see a law that detention facilities of all types except prisoner of war camps can not operate at an overload for more than 24 hours. If someone comes in that overloads them they have 24 hours to transfer or release someone. To fail to do so brings charges against those in charge.

 

[Derec]

What needs to happen is that laws need to change to allow for express deportation of illegals. Why should we keep them in country for months or years, whether in custody or in 'the wild'?

 

[laughing dog]

What needs to happen is that laws need to change to allow for express deportation of illegals. Why should we keep them in country for months or years, whether in custody or in 'the wild'?

Most of the people being held are seeking asylum which does not automatically make them "illegals".

 

[Derec]

Most of the people being held are seeking asylum which does not automatically make them "illegals".

We all know that "asylum" is just another tactic illegals are using, based on the success that this tactic has had in Europe since 2015.

 

[laughing dog]

Most of the people being held are seeking asylum which does not automatically make them "illegals".

We all know that "asylum" is just another tactic illegals are using, based on the success that this tactic has had in Europe since 2015.

Unless you are using the royal "we", you are sadly mistaken.

 

[Derec]

you are sadly mistaken.

Maybe. I guess I was too optimistic to assume you knew anything at all.

 

[laughing dog]

you are sadly mistaken.

Maybe. I guess I was too optimistic to assume you knew anything at all.

You are certainly entitled to your opinions about asylum seekers, but that does not make them accurate or true. Duh.

 

[Derec]

You are certainly entitled to your opinions about asylum seekers, but that does not make them accurate or true. Duh.

Poverty/seeking better economic opportunities is NOT a legitimate grounds for asylum. That's not an opinion.

 

[laughing dog]

You are certainly entitled to your opinions about asylum seekers, but that does not make them accurate or true. Duh.

Poverty/seeking better economic opportunities is NOT a legitimate grounds for asylum. That's not an opinion.

When someone claims that is the only reason for these people's request for asylum, that is an opinion. Duh. When one dismisses claims of asylum when one does not know the facts of the cases or dismisses the facts, that is an opinion. Duh.

 

[Trausti]

http://fortune.com/2019/06/14/premature-baby-border-patrol-texas/

Is it any wonder people keep dying in custody?

Personally, I'd like to see a law that detention facilities of all types except prisoner of war camps can not operate at an overload for more than 24 hours. If someone comes in that overloads them they have 24 hours to transfer or release someone. To fail to do so brings charges against those in charge.

Why is ICE responsible for the mother's poor decisions? Do we just assume that Central Americans are incapable of taking personal responsibility for their own actions?

 

[Toni]

You are certainly entitled to your opinions about asylum seekers, but that does not make them accurate or true. Duh.

Poverty/seeking better economic opportunities is NOT a legitimate grounds for asylum. That's not an opinion.

Yes it is.

 

[Derec]

You are certainly entitled to your opinions about asylum seekers, but that does not make them accurate or true. Duh.

Poverty/seeking better economic opportunities is NOT a legitimate grounds for asylum. That's not an opinion.

Yes it is.

No it is not. Asylum is about protecting people who are persecuted in their countries. It is not about facilitating wholesale economic migration, which is what is happening now.
What is going on both here and in Europe is making a mockery of the whole concept of asylum.

 

[Toni]

http://fortune.com/2019/06/14/premature-baby-border-patrol-texas/

Is it any wonder people keep dying in custody?

Personally, I'd like to see a law that detention facilities of all types except prisoner of war camps can not operate at an overload for more than 24 hours. If someone comes in that overloads them they have 24 hours to transfer or release someone. To fail to do so brings charges against those in charge.

Why is ICE responsible for the mother's poor decisions? Do we just assume that Central Americans are incapable of taking personal responsibility for their own actions?

ICE is not responsible for the fact that an adolescent girl was pregnant or gave birth prematurely via cesarean section. ICE is not responsible for the myriad conditions that causes a very young mother, newly pospartum, newly post surgery, in a fragile medical state and desperate with a fragile premature infant to decide her best option for her survival and that of her infant were in seeking asylum in the US.

It ICE is absolutely 100 percent responsible for the conditions under which it holds detaineees and is absolutely 100 percent responsible for providing adequate and appropriate sustenance, shelter, and medical care for those it chooses to detain.

ICE is behaving very much as other governmental agencies did during The Trail of Tears and similar atrocities and during the interment of Japanese Americans during WWII. But perhaps a bit better than the Germans treated the Jews. I’ll give them that. We are not Bazi Germany although not for lack of support for similar policies by some so called Good Americans.

 

[blastula]

http://fortune.com/2019/06/14/premature-baby-border-patrol-texas/

Is it any wonder people keep dying in custody?

Personally, I'd like to see a law that detention facilities of all types except prisoner of war camps can not operate at an overload for more than 24 hours. If someone comes in that overloads them they have 24 hours to transfer or release someone. To fail to do so brings charges against those in charge.

Why is ICE responsible for the mother's poor decisions?

Because they imprisoned them. uh duh.

 

[TV and credit cards]

We all know that "asylum" is just another tactic illegals are using, based on the success that this tactic has had in Europe since 2015.

It's an alleged certainty.

Why is ICE responsible for the mother's poor decisions? Do we just assume that Central Americans are incapable of taking personal responsibility for their own actions?

Perhaps it was the best "poor decision" available to her.

 

[ZiprHead]

Most of the people being held are seeking asylum which does not automatically make them "illegals".

We all know that "asylum" is just another tactic illegals are using, based on the success that this tactic has had in Europe since 2015.

Isn't that how you got in?

 

[Toni]

Yes it is.

No it is not. Asylum is about protecting people who are persecuted in their countries. It is not about facilitating wholesale economic migration, which is what is happening now.
What is going on both here and in Europe is making a mockery of the whole concept of asylum.

That's your opinion. That your opinion is shared with and formed by Trump and his henchmen does not add to its validity.

 

[Elixir]

Yes it is.

No it is not. Asylum is about protecting people who are persecuted in their countries.

But economic persecution, gangs threatening rape and murder... those don't count because... Derec sez.
This particular wholesale economic migration occurs largely as a result of conditions imposed by the US... hmmm. Sucks to be them. But now they're coming to fuck your daughters and pollute your lily white gene pool. What is a good little racist to do?
Yeah, we should just enslave them upon arrival - why lock up little kids, when they can be readily converted to revenue on the international human trafficking market? And some among us keep whining about needing access to cheaper hookers anyhow.

 

[laughing dog]

Yes it is.

No it is not. Asylum is about protecting people who are persecuted in their countries. It is not about facilitating wholesale economic migration, which is what is happening now.

Using hyperbolic statements and persistent ignorance of the facts of the situation create a false narrative. Repetition of a that false narrative may feed your confirmation biases but does not make that false narrative any more valid, no matter how many times you repeat it.

The reality is much more complex than your simple narrative. The Central American countries from which many of these people migrate have extremely high murder and personal violence rates. The fact that many of these migrants pay a tremendous physical, psychological, emotional and financial cost to make the trek to seek asylum indicates that their fears are overwhelming and probably true. To wave one's hand in dismissal is inhumane.

Requests for asylum should be taken seriously and while the fair and serious investigation is taking place, a civilized and humane society would treat these seekers with dignity and respect. Once the results of the investigation are in, an impartial, fair and respectful hearing should take place. None of that is happening now under Trump's policy. And none of that would occur if your bigoted views were policy.

What is going on both here and in Europe is making a mockery of the whole concept of asylum.

Nah, but ridiculous false narrative makes a mockery of a rational discourse of the appropriate course of humane policy.

 

[Half-Life]

^^^

Keep in mind that once we started talking about the mass immigration and how it's gonna make whites go extinct, you guys said, "That's just a conspiracy theory." Now that it's coming true, you guys are saying, "Oh, who cares anyway?" Imagine self-hating your own white skin color so much that you don't even care if it dies out. Such a shame.

If a black person said, "I hate my skin color. I hope it dies out," everyone would say how sad it is that he self-hates so much.