Washington Man Accused of Hurling Molotov Cocktails at ICE Detention Center Killed by Police

[Half-Life]

We found out the ANTIFA attack on the migrant camps was not condemned by Ilhan Omar. She was asked to condemn it and she said no.

Why does the left support terrorism?

 

[ZiprHead]

No one is confused about whose side you are on, whose arguments you always want to "compromise" with, and whose you are always willing to critique. Why pretend?

Meh. If you can't take me for what I write...

I think that's exactly what he is doing.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

But as their applications are being processed, should they be given free reign to move throughout the country and possibly disappear within it?

That's usually how it works, if you're not Mexican or Arab. I've known a lot of people who emigrated legally here by one means or another, refugee status, work visas, student visas. None were imprisoned and tortured while their case was considered, nor permanently separated from their family. Because applying for citizenship is not a crime.

Yup. It was obvious that immigration thought my marriage was fraudulent. (The change in their attitude when we passed their fraud interview was obvious and that despite the fact that afterwards we were able to identify multiple questions they flubbed.) Despite that they not only did not detain her but even gave her a temporary work permit.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yeah, this guy was a reckless piece of shit. Molotov cocktails are not the answer.

The only way to accomplish an ethical goal here would require a much larger force armed with rifles, armored vehicles, heavy weapons, and coordination with those held unlawfully in custody to limit casualties.

It wouldn't even take all that many people. A small force of snipers could play havoc with the guards without being a risk to those being held. Half your force takes one shot and retreats. The other half take one shot at anyone who comes after them, then they retreat. Keep leapfrogging back until you have broken contact.

Rinse and repeat. If they guard the camp too heavily switch targets. Very soon nobody's going to be willing to be a guard.

 

[Trausti]

The opinion advanced in the Notes on Virginia is undoubtedly correct, that foreigners will generally be apt to bring with them attachments to the persons they have left behind; to the country of their nativity, and to its particular customs and manners. They will also entertain opinions on government congenial with those under which they have lived, or if they should be led hither from a preference to ours, how extremely unlikely is it that they will bring with them that temperate love of liberty, so essential to real republicanism? There may as to particular individuals, and at particular times, be occasional exceptions to these remarks, yet such is the general rule. The influx of foreigners must, therefore, tend to produce a heterogeneous compound; to change and corrupt the national spirit; to complicate and confound public opinion; to introduce foreign propensities. In the composition of society, the harmony of the ingredients is all important, and whatever tends to a discordant intermixture must have an injurious tendency.

Alexander Hamilton

Hamilton was an immigrant himself,

No he wasn't. He was born in the British colony and moved to another British colony.

 

[Half-Life]

Guys, we have found out the facts! The man was a leftist anarchist who wanted to kill ICE agents. He literally committed a terrorist act and the left is silent about this!!

AOC was asked to CONDEMN THE ACTIONS!!! She went dead silent!!!

Ilhan Omar was asked to CONDEMN THE ACTIONS!!! She also went dead silent!!!

When will you guys understand that ANTIFA is a terrorist organization?

 

[Politesse]

Hamilton was an immigrant himself,

No he wasn't. He was born in the British colony and moved to another British colony.

Well most of the people in this present situation are moving between two Spanish ones...

 

[Politesse]

Guys, we have found out the facts! The man was a leftist anarchist who wanted to kill ICE agents. He literally committed a terrorist act and the left is silent about this!!

AOC was asked to CONDEMN THE ACTIONS!!! She went dead silent!!!

Ilhan Omar was asked to CONDEMN THE ACTIONS!!! She also went dead silent!!!

When will you guys understand that ANTIFA is a terrorist organization?

I'm not silent. And I am not weeping any tears for anyone "terrified" because someone lobbed a few molotov cocktails at a for-profit concentration camp before getting predictably shot to death. Are you nuts?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Fine, I sincerely apologize for the unfair intimation that you are an unwitting stooge for white nationalist propaganda.

What about the actual discussion, though?

Why bother? Won't you just tell me what I really think and whose side I am on etc?

 

[Half-Life]

Guys, we have found out the facts! The man was a leftist anarchist who wanted to kill ICE agents. He literally committed a terrorist act and the left is silent about this!!

AOC was asked to CONDEMN THE ACTIONS!!! She went dead silent!!!

Ilhan Omar was asked to CONDEMN THE ACTIONS!!! She also went dead silent!!!

When will you guys understand that ANTIFA is a terrorist organization?

I'm not silent. And I am not weeping any tears for anyone "terrified" because someone lobbed a few molotov cocktails at a for-profit concentration camp before getting predictably shot to death. Are you nuts?

So you agree with what he did? Why? He could've killed some of the children in there. I am sickened.

 

[Jarhyn]

Yeah, this guy was a reckless piece of shit. Molotov cocktails are not the answer.

The only way to accomplish an ethical goal here would require a much larger force armed with rifles, armored vehicles, heavy weapons, and coordination with those held unlawfully in custody to limit casualties.

It wouldn't even take all that many people. A small force of snipers could play havoc with the guards without being a risk to those being held. Half your force takes one shot and retreats. The other half take one shot at anyone who comes after them, then they retreat. Keep leapfrogging back until you have broken contact.

Rinse and repeat. If they guard the camp too heavily switch targets. Very soon nobody's going to be willing to be a guard.

I like the way you think. Downside is, that particular tactic is a lot but risky because of the response time. You would at least need a really strong exit strategy.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Guys, we have found out the facts! The man was a leftist anarchist who wanted to kill ICE agents. He literally committed a terrorist act and the left is silent about this!!

AOC was asked to CONDEMN THE ACTIONS!!! She went dead silent!!!

Ilhan Omar was asked to CONDEMN THE ACTIONS!!! She also went dead silent!!!

When will you guys understand that ANTIFA is a terrorist organization?

I'm not silent. And I am not weeping any tears for anyone "terrified" because someone lobbed a few molotov cocktails at a for-profit concentration camp before getting predictably shot to death. Are you nuts?

So you agree with what he did? Why? He could've killed some of the children in there. I am sickened.

Enough with the act!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The opinion advanced in the Notes on Virginia is undoubtedly correct, that foreigners will generally be apt to bring with them attachments to the persons they have left behind; to the country of their nativity, and to its particular customs and manners. They will also entertain opinions on government congenial with those under which they have lived, or if they should be led hither from a preference to ours, how extremely unlikely is it that they will bring with them that temperate love of liberty, so essential to real republicanism? There may as to particular individuals, and at particular times, be occasional exceptions to these remarks, yet such is the general rule. The influx of foreigners must, therefore, tend to produce a heterogeneous compound; to change and corrupt the national spirit; to complicate and confound public opinion; to introduce foreign propensities. In the composition of society, the harmony of the ingredients is all important, and whatever tends to a discordant intermixture must have an injurious tendency.

Alexander Hamilton

So what? Alexander Hamilton lived over 200 years ago, in days long before a vast majority of modern philosophy ever existed. He was intelligent for his day and age, but you are commiting a genetic fallacy as deep as the ones committed by Half-Life. Just because it was said by someone generally respectable doesn't make the statement respectable. This statement is full of rank xenophobic bullshit as one might expect from someone who waffled on slavery, among other things.

Hamilton wasn't even born in the Colonies. Didn't grow up in the Colonies.

 

[dismal]

Guys, we have found out the facts! The man was a leftist anarchist who wanted to kill ICE agents. He literally committed a terrorist act and the left is silent about this!!

AOC was asked to CONDEMN THE ACTIONS!!! She went dead silent!!!

Ilhan Omar was asked to CONDEMN THE ACTIONS!!! She also went dead silent!!!

When will you guys understand that ANTIFA is a terrorist organization?

I'm not silent. And I am not weeping any tears for anyone "terrified" because someone lobbed a few molotov cocktails at a for-profit concentration camp before getting predictably shot to death. Are you nuts?

The question here is not whether the attack was effective. If it is not your intent to condone this violent attack you may wish to adjust your tone.

I really wonder why people are unable to condemn this attack. I find it simultaneously possible to condemn it and not think it was an effective or significant attack.

But then I suppose I haven't spend the last several months posting here about how awesome ANTIFA violence is so I have no need to defend it.

 

[Politesse]

Guys, we have found out the facts! The man was a leftist anarchist who wanted to kill ICE agents. He literally committed a terrorist act and the left is silent about this!!

AOC was asked to CONDEMN THE ACTIONS!!! She went dead silent!!!

Ilhan Omar was asked to CONDEMN THE ACTIONS!!! She also went dead silent!!!

When will you guys understand that ANTIFA is a terrorist organization?

I'm not silent. And I am not weeping any tears for anyone "terrified" because someone lobbed a few molotov cocktails at a for-profit concentration camp before getting predictably shot to death. Are you nuts?

The question here is not whether the attack was effective. If it is not your intent to condone this violent attack you may wish to adjust your tone.

I really wonder why people are unable to condemn this attack. I find it simultaneously possible to condemn it and not think it was an effective or significant attack.

But then I suppose I haven't spend the last several months posting here about how awesome ANTIFA violence is so I have no need to defend it.

It's not the means I would have chosen, but I'm not going to fault the guy for trying, nor do I accept that he had murderous intent (throwing cocktails at empty vehicles is not how an assassin generally does their thing). I think this was a suicide, that he used to send a message.

The thing I don't like about terrorism is that it targets innocents. The owners of a for-profit internment camp are not innocents. They are arbiters of violence, and violence begets more violence. It is a fact, beyond right or wrong. And they do it for money.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

I find it simultaneously possible to condemn it and not think it was an effective or significant attack.

Fair enough. So detail for us what you would consider to be an effective or significant attack so that we understand the basis for your moral outrage.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

The owners of a for-profit internment camp are not innocents. They are arbiters of violence, and violence begets more violence. It is a fact, beyond right or wrong. And they do it for money.

Attacking the facility is very unlikely to injure the owners, and far far more likely to injure those in the facility, including both the residents and the officers.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I find it simultaneously possible to condemn it and not think it was an effective or significant attack.

Fair enough. So detail for us what you would consider to be an effective or significant attack so that we understand the basis for your moral outrage.

The only attack that will ultimately matter is the attack at the ballot box. You know, the fight Hillary lost that enabled all of this to happen. You probably shouldn't let that happen again.

 

[Gun Nut]

Yeah, this guy was a reckless piece of shit. Molotov cocktails are not the answer.

The only way to accomplish an ethical goal here would require a much larger force armed with rifles, armored vehicles, heavy weapons, and coordination with those held unlawfully in custody to limit casualties.

It wouldn't even take all that many people. A small force of snipers could play havoc with the guards without being a risk to those being held. Half your force takes one shot and retreats. The other half take one shot at anyone who comes after them, then they retreat. Keep leapfrogging back until you have broken contact.

Rinse and repeat. If they guard the camp too heavily switch targets. Very soon nobody's going to be willing to be a guard.

Rather than use actual violence to threaten accomplices (guards), I say the mere threat of potential personal loss is more effective.
Dox ICE workers... all of them, not just the guards. Publish the names, addresses, children's names, schools, and school addresses of all ICE workers under the context of "if their own children are at risk, they may change their minds about supporting fascism in the name of a demagog".

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

The only attack that will ultimately matter is the attack at the ballot box. You know, the fight Hillary lost that enabled all of this to happen.

Funny you should mention the ballot box, Captain Ignorant, because, once again, that's the one fight she didn't lose.

Anyway, back to Dismal:

I find it simultaneously possible to condemn it and not think it was an effective or significant attack.

Fair enough. So detail for us what you would consider to be an effective or significant attack so that we understand the basis for your moral outrage.