Another police shooting in the St. Louis area

[Shadowy Man]

Unless his parents were there they can't really know if he was unarmed.

On the other hand, if the only witness to him being armed was the police officer...let's just say that the credibility of police officers in the St. Louis area these days isn't at its best.

 

[Derec]

Unless his parents were there they can't really know if he was unarmed.

On the other hand, if the only witness to him being armed was the police officer...let's just say that the credibility of police officers in the St. Louis area these days isn't at its best.

They found the gun and the bullets he shot at the cop. Furthermore, Myers was out on bail for a gun crime. The "he only had a sandwich" story is a bunch of baloney.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I don't understand the facts here. Why was an off-duty police officer "on patrol"? And how does one hold one's pants in a way that makes an officer believe one may be carrying a gun?

It happens frequently. Police often hire out as security for events--in some jurisdictions you have to hire police for security with sufficiently large public events. They're still in uniform and with normal police powers, it's just someone else footing the bill.

 

[Rhea]

The officer chased them first in his car and then on foot. He saw them, pulled a u-turn and they ran away. They were running away. (probably a wise thing if you are black and in St. Louis?)

If the gun and 3 shots are true, I can understand returning fire (17?!) But that doesn't make me understand chasing them down while on private patrol. What started this?

 

[barbos]

I think police should wear cameras on them

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think police should wear cameras on them

Not enough! They also need a soundtrack in order to help the citizens around them understand just how close they are to getting shot.

 

[laughing dog]

I don't understand the facts here. Why was an off-duty police officer "on patrol"? And how does one hold one's pants in a way that makes an officer believe one may be carrying a gun?

It happens frequently. Police often hire out as security for events--in some jurisdictions you have to hire police for security with sufficiently large public events. They're still in uniform and with normal police powers, it's just someone else footing the bill.

I know that people are not required to hire police for private security patrols in St. Louis. Unless you have some evidence that this police officer was hired for such a matter (which appears doubtful from the news reports), I think your explanation is lacking.

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They found the gun and the bullets he shot at the cop.

No, they found the gun and the bullets the police officer claims Myers used.

Furthermore, Myers was out on bail for a gun crime. The "he only had a sandwich" story is a bunch of baloney.

Interestingly, the police officer's record is not public knowledge at this point. Seems a bit one-sided, regardless what actually happened.

 

[Derec]

I know that people are not required to hire police for private security patrols in St. Louis. Unless you have some evidence that this police officer was hired for such a matter (which appears doubtful from the news reports), I think your explanation is lacking.

The fact is that no explanation of the details of his assignment is really needed. He was on secondary duty with the approval of the department and as such was still a uniformed police officer authorized to enforce law.

No, they found the gun and the bullets the police officer claims Myers used.

Ah here come the conspiracy theories. I guess you believe he not only planted a gun but shot it a few times for good measure.

Interestingly, the police officer's record is not public knowledge at this point. Seems a bit one-sided,

Well court cases are a lot easier to get hold of (my county has them easily searchable online) than employment records. And since only one of them had an open criminal case against them, I guess it's one sided in that regard.

regardless what actually happened.

This kind of sums of the Far Left's attitude toward these cases.

 

[Derec]

The officer chased them first in his car and then on foot. He saw them, pulled a u-turn and they ran away.

Obviously they started running away because they were up to no good. We know Vonderrit Myers had an illegal gun while being out on bail for illegal drug use and resisting arrest. Surely if arrested he'd be remanded without bail.

They were running away. (probably a wise thing if you are black and in St. Louis?)

You mean if you are trying to avoid arrest because you are packing a stolen 9mm gun? He already learned that tossing it into a storm drain doesn't work as the police are able to find it so he had to do plan B.

If the gun and 3 shots are true, I can understand returning fire (17?!)

Do we have any reason to doubt that Vonderrit shot at the police officer three times?

But that doesn't make me understand chasing them down while on private patrol. What started this?

He's still a police officer in uniform.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

They found the gun and the bullets he shot at the cop.

No, they found the gun and the bullets the police officer claims Myers used.

Wow. It's pretty lucky that the random person that the cop shot and needed to quickly frame with a backup gun just coincidentally happened to be out on bail for a gun crime at the time because that adds a bit of credibility to the story he made up on the spot.

That dude has a massive horseshoe up his ass.

 

[laughing dog]

Ah here come the conspiracy theories. I guess you believe he not only planted a gun but shot it a few times for good measure.

Until there is more evidence produced, the police claims are theories. For example, it is possible one of the other young men shot at the police officer. Unlike you, I do not have a kneejerk compunction to absolve a white person from shooting and killing a black man.

Well court cases are a lot easier to get hold of (my county has them easily searchable online) than employment records. And since only one of them had an open criminal case against them, I guess it's one sided in that regard.

Yes, it is.

This kind of sums of the Far Left's attitude toward these cases.

I have no idea what that means because I expect it really has no meaning grounded in reality.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The officer chased them first in his car and then on foot. He saw them, pulled a u-turn and they ran away. They were running away. (probably a wise thing if you are black and in St. Louis?)

If the gun and 3 shots are true, I can understand returning fire (17?!) But that doesn't make me understand chasing them down while on private patrol. What started this?

The cop (correctly) thought the kid had a gun. Since concealed carry permits at that age are not possible that would be illegal. Just because he's working private security doesn't mean he's supposed to ignore a crime.

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It happens frequently. Police often hire out as security for events--in some jurisdictions you have to hire police for security with sufficiently large public events. They're still in uniform and with normal police powers, it's just someone else footing the bill.

I know that people are not required to hire police for private security patrols in St. Louis. Unless you have some evidence that this police officer was hired for such a matter (which appears doubtful from the news reports), I think your explanation is lacking.

Whether or not they have to hire police for private security doesn't change the need for the security. Large enough events normally require the hiring of security.

 

[laughing dog]

The cop (correctly) thought the kid had a gun. Since concealed carry permits at that age are not possible that would be illegal. Just because he's working private security doesn't mean he's supposed to ignore a crime.

And he would know the age of the person because....?

Whether or not they have to hire police for private security doesn't change the need for the security. Large enough events normally require the hiring of security.

I don't see how that is relevant to this situation unless you have some actual evidence that this officer was hired to provide security for "large enough events".

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And he would know the age of the person because....?

He looked young. Furthermore, the issue was sagging due to weight--not a gun in a proper holster.

Whether or not they have to hire police for private security doesn't change the need for the security. Large enough events normally require the hiring of security.

I don't see how that is relevant to this situation unless you have some actual evidence that this officer was hired to provide security for "large enough events".

He was doing private security. Cops are frequently hired for private security, they don't cease being cops just because the paymaster changes. It's irrelevant why he was hired for private security.

 

[SimpleDon]

Here is an explanation of why the officer was working for a private security firm, the neighborhood went together and formed a special tax district to pay for the extra patrols.

Here is another story that explains other points, including how the parents of the boy knew that he had bought a sandwich, and what type of sandwich it was, a turkey hogie.

Google is a wonderful thing.

 

[Derec]

Until there is more evidence produced, the police claims are theories.

Like the theory of evolution you mean?

For example, it is possible one of the other young men shot at the police officer.

Possible? Sure. But very unlikely. Why would he have dropped the gun? Why did the police officer shoot at his friend and not at him? Is it just a coincidence Vonderrit was arrested for illegal gun use recently?

Unlike you, I do not have a kneejerk compunction to absolve a white person from shooting and killing a black man.

No, you have a compunction to condemn white men.

I have no idea what that means because I expect it really has no meaning grounded in reality.

It means that the racial/gender narrative matters more than facts. As you said "regardless what happened".

 

[laughing dog]

He was doing private security. Cops are frequently hired for private security, they don't cease being cops just because the paymaster changes. It's irrelevant why he was hired for private security.

You are the one who literally made up a reason for his hiring not me. If it was irrelevant, why bring it up?

 

[laughing dog]

Possible? Sure. But very unlikely. Why would he have dropped the gun? Why did the police officer shoot at his friend and not at him? Is it just a coincidence Vonderrit was arrested for illegal gun use recently?

I am not going to speculate on "whys" on a whim. Until there is more evidence to support one claim or the other, I am simply not taking your assumptions or police claims as necessarily valid.

No, you have a compunction to condemn white men.

Unlike you, I have not made any assumptions about anyone in this situation. But that kind of response is typical of the Far Right whenever anyone does not goosestep along with their unsubstantiated claims.

It means that the racial/gender narrative matters more than facts. As you said "regardless what happened".

Um, the entire quote was "Interestingly, the police officer's record is not public knowledge at this point. Seems a bit one-sided, regardless what actually happened. " which should clearly mean that regardless whether there victim shot at the police officer or not, it is one sided that that the victim's record is public knowledge but the police officer's is not. There is no mention or even hint of race in those statements. It would appear that race/gender narratives matter more than facts and principles to the Far Right.

 

[RavenSky]

There is a store video of Vonderrit Myers released that is identified as him purchasing the sandwich shortly before the shooting. Yes his pants are baggy, but I don't see any indication that he was carrying a gun in any of the pockets.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Here is an explanation of why the officer was working for a private security firm, the neighborhood went together and formed a special tax district to pay for the extra patrols.

Here is another story that explains other points, including how the parents of the boy knew that he had bought a sandwich, and what type of sandwich it was, a turkey hogie.

Google is a wonderful thing.

So what if he had bought a sandwich? The police recovered a gun that had been fired three times.