T.G.G. Moogly
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More of the same, how unsurprising. Geller wouldn't know conservatism if one was shit out. My gosh, Geller as an ally. Fascism, racism and hate at its finest.
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More of the same, how unsurprising. Geller wouldn't know conservatism if one was shit out. My gosh, Geller as an ally. Fascism, racism and hate at its finest.
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T.G.G. Moogly
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If those lines cross we can thank Joseph Goebbels.
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In Trump-Nixon impeachment comparison, Pelosi raises specter of resignation - Reuters
NP says that this scandal
Nancy Pelosi on Twitter: "President Trump is in over his head. Now, he is abusing his power and lashing out. That is why we must #DefendOurDemocracy. https://t.co/4p9g0xBKd9" / Twitter
NP claims that Trump knows that he is way over his head in the Presidency, and he thus feels that he has to diminish everyone else. I agree that he is way over his head, but I doubt that he is thoughtful enough to conclude that about himself.
Elise Stefanik rises as GOP impeachment star - "‘I am proudly the opposite of AOC"
NP says that this scandal
Nancy Pelosi on Twitter: "President Trump is in over his head. Now, he is abusing his power and lashing out. That is why we must #DefendOurDemocracy. https://t.co/4p9g0xBKd9" / Twitter
NP claims that Trump knows that he is way over his head in the Presidency, and he thus feels that he has to diminish everyone else. I agree that he is way over his head, but I doubt that he is thoughtful enough to conclude that about himself.
Elise Stefanik rises as GOP impeachment star - "‘I am proudly the opposite of AOC"
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https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/th...-first-exposed-trumps-ukraine-scandal-report/
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“You probably don’t know Dale Perry, but history may record this energy executive as one of the first who sounded the alarm about what would become President Trump’s impeachment inquiry,” said Griffin. “In April, Perry’s former business partner Andrew Favorov, now a director at Ukraine’s state-owned gas company Naftogaz, says two shady characters had approached him, with a secret management plan to take over the management from the inside. Those two shady characters Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, are two low-level, Soviet-born businessmen from south Florida. And they were trying to clear the way for their own gas business.”
Perry explained that the two men told him that to do the deals they have to do, they’d have to go through the CEO of the company and that they need a new CEO to do that. “The current one is in our way, and the current one has the support of the U.S. ambassador,” Perry said the two men told him.
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So here is some nice corruption for the investigators to follow up on. Marie Yovanovitch had to go, and Trump removed her. Her removal was engineered to help take over a Ukrainian gas company. So the question here is, was Trump an accessory or a dupe. Was he warned off by anybody about this? Perhaps Bolton? It would seem our government is supporting some rather startling corruption going up to the highest levels of Government. What was Giuliani's role in this?
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“You probably don’t know Dale Perry, but history may record this energy executive as one of the first who sounded the alarm about what would become President Trump’s impeachment inquiry,” said Griffin. “In April, Perry’s former business partner Andrew Favorov, now a director at Ukraine’s state-owned gas company Naftogaz, says two shady characters had approached him, with a secret management plan to take over the management from the inside. Those two shady characters Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, are two low-level, Soviet-born businessmen from south Florida. And they were trying to clear the way for their own gas business.”
Perry explained that the two men told him that to do the deals they have to do, they’d have to go through the CEO of the company and that they need a new CEO to do that. “The current one is in our way, and the current one has the support of the U.S. ambassador,” Perry said the two men told him.
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So here is some nice corruption for the investigators to follow up on. Marie Yovanovitch had to go, and Trump removed her. Her removal was engineered to help take over a Ukrainian gas company. So the question here is, was Trump an accessory or a dupe. Was he warned off by anybody about this? Perhaps Bolton? It would seem our government is supporting some rather startling corruption going up to the highest levels of Government. What was Giuliani's role in this?
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Elise Stefanik's Democratic Opponent Raises $250,000 In Donations In 24hrs | Crooks and Liars
Tedra Cobb for Congress on Twitter: ".@RepStefanik’s partisan political theatre is beneath the dignity of her office. She skipped several important private hearings— now with the cameras on, she has repeatedly attempted to derail the public hearings. Stefanik should take her oath to the Constitution seriously. #NY21" / Twitter
NY-21: Tedra Cobb Leads A Great Slate of Democratic Candidates in Northern New York State This Year (Daily Kos) Tedra Cobb for Congress - Tedra Cobb for NY-21
On Twitter, it's now #trashystefanik vs. this:
Elise Stefanik on Twitter: "And for you @gtconway3d - the one thing I’ve NEVER been called in my life is TRASH.
You need serious help. My opponent Taxin’ Tedra can have your sick mysogynist support." / Twitter
Her opponent said very little.
Tedra Cobb for Congress on Twitter: ".@RepStefanik’s partisan political theatre is beneath the dignity of her office. She skipped several important private hearings— now with the cameras on, she has repeatedly attempted to derail the public hearings. Stefanik should take her oath to the Constitution seriously. #NY21" / Twitter
NY-21: Tedra Cobb Leads A Great Slate of Democratic Candidates in Northern New York State This Year (Daily Kos) Tedra Cobb for Congress - Tedra Cobb for NY-21
On Twitter, it's now #trashystefanik vs. this:
Elise Stefanik on Twitter: "And for you @gtconway3d - the one thing I’ve NEVER been called in my life is TRASH.
You need serious help. My opponent Taxin’ Tedra can have your sick mysogynist support." / Twitter
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All depends on whose polling one looks at. This one says the opposite. I'm bracing for an attack on Rasmussen's credibility.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/impeachment-poll-trump-back-up-to-50
T.G.G. Moogly
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Whether Trumpo is reelected will tell the tale.
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You are bracing for it? I realize you just don't give a butt about truth or polls or anything that isn't mildly relevant, but the latest blip to support your "position". You might want to check Rasmussen's Trump approval polling results for yourself.
November 15th, Rasmussen polls say Trump has a 50% approval, 49% disapproval rating (+1)
November 12th, Rasmussen polls say Trump has a 44% approval, 54% disapproval rating (-10)
November 7th, Rasmussen polls say Trump has a 50% approval, 49% disapproval rating (+1)
November 4th, Rasmussen polls say Trump has a 44% approval, 55% disapproval rating (-11)
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Okay, how much stupid can be crammed into two tweets and then Trump's bullshit "strongly consider it" comment. Yeah, Trumpy... we believe you. You are totally telling us the truth.President Ellipsis said:
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linkJennifer Williams said:
There is so much going on about how the Ukrainian President didn't even know there was a hold. This was seemingly debunked, but continues to be repeated. Jennifer Williams pretty much shoots this "defense" to heck.
The Ukrainian knew there was a hold. They knew why there was a hold. They were willing to follow through for Trump to undo the hold... until a whistleblower complaint made the light of day.
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Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "Our Crazy, Do Nothing (where’s USMCA, infrastructure, lower drug pricing & much more?) Speaker of the House, Nervous Nancy Pelosi, who is petrified by her Radical Left knowing she will soon be gone (they & Fake News Media are her BOSS), suggested on Sunday’s DEFACE THE NATION...." / Twitter
Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "....that I testify about the phony Impeachment Witch Hunt. She also said I could do it in writing. Even though I did nothing wrong, and don’t like giving credibility to this No Due Process Hoax, I like the idea & will, in order to get Congress focused again, strongly consider it!" / Twitter
He seems so incoherent and belligerent and angry.
Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "....that I testify about the phony Impeachment Witch Hunt. She also said I could do it in writing. Even though I did nothing wrong, and don’t like giving credibility to this No Due Process Hoax, I like the idea & will, in order to get Congress focused again, strongly consider it!" / Twitter
He seems so incoherent and belligerent and angry.
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Debunked weeks ago:
And then there's this more recent timeline from NBC that indicates the Ukrainians at least knew something was up back in July:
Add this from the Times in May:
And this from the Wall Street Journal (via Forbes):
So unless the Ukraine doesn't get the New York Times and couldn't piece together the fact that Trump was sending Guiliani to Ukraine for the express purpose of seeking dirt on the Bidens and "investigating" a fictional conspiracy theory everyone involved knows never happened--which could only translate into a "we want you to make it all up" criminal act, so the shoe drop was already embedded in the ask--to the fact that, about a month later the military aid they were supposed to receive was frozen by Trump and then the other thing happens almost a month later, then they're all a bunch of fucking morons.
And the "tell" that Zelensky was fully aware that he was being asked to create a fake investigation into a conspiracy theory he knew wasn't true is his eager mention of how they're ready to get those weapons! Iow, mentioning the very thing that was being denied them by Trump to appease Trump and signal that he understood fully what was being asked.
Very clearly senior officials in the Ukraine knew Trump wanted them to create fake evidence of the previous administration being the actual architects of the cyber war against the US--ironically conceding that such an attack was real and that it benefitted him--the purpose of which would ultimately act as pretext for Putin to either get the sanctions removed or allow Putin to act further against the Ukraine (perhaps both), which is likely why no one in the Ukraine under Zelensky (the old guard) actually cooperated with such a suicide mission after Guilani made it covertly clear some time in May/June, if not explicitly clear in July, in spite of the inexperienced Zelensky scrambling to suck Trump's cock on the phone call.
Giuliani lays the groundwork most likely earlier than May (as that's just when he plans an actual trip; everything else would have been set down by his idiot go betweens that got caught); Trump stops the aid once he gets the word from Guiliani; Zelensky knows something is up (more than likely what); Giuliani confirms, regardless, what that something is; Trump lets Zelensky stew in the fear for a couple weeks; Trump makes his "perfect" phone call delivering the threat in person this time to make no mistake about what it is he wants Zelensky to do--just like a mob boss--and if it weren't for actual patriots blowing the whistle, we'd be looking at a fake "Steele" dossier coming from the Ukraine right about now.
ETA: The one thing no one seems to be asking is why in the world would Trump want the Ukraine to take the fall for Russia and counterfeit evidence that it was the Ukraine that put him into the White House? He's already openly shat on the entire intelligence community dozens of times and no one in the intelligence community (or any other department of the government, regardless of their public faces) believes they're wrong, so what does shifting the blame--and conceding his Presidency is not legitimate as a result--on the Ukraine do, other than, as I noted, give pretext to possibly lifting sanctions and/or giving Putin reason to act with further aggression against the Ukraine (though, how he would pull that off is not clear, since the blame--for it to work--would have to be put on Zelensky's predecessor, not Zelenksy).
He must fear that there is still something we (the people) don't know about in regard to proving he colluded with Russia, as, supposedly, according to him, the Mueller report already exonerated him fully (in spite of the fact that it did no such thing). Which in turn must mean the Dems--or someone--has a smoking gun/October surprise that they got wind of that involves proving direct coordination with Putin in the 2016 election that he's trying desperately to undermine by taking these extraordinarily stupid steps.
And then there's this more recent timeline from NBC that indicates the Ukrainians at least knew something was up back in July:
Add this from the Times in May:
And this from the Wall Street Journal (via Forbes):
So unless the Ukraine doesn't get the New York Times and couldn't piece together the fact that Trump was sending Guiliani to Ukraine for the express purpose of seeking dirt on the Bidens and "investigating" a fictional conspiracy theory everyone involved knows never happened--which could only translate into a "we want you to make it all up" criminal act, so the shoe drop was already embedded in the ask--to the fact that, about a month later the military aid they were supposed to receive was frozen by Trump and then the other thing happens almost a month later, then they're all a bunch of fucking morons.
And the "tell" that Zelensky was fully aware that he was being asked to create a fake investigation into a conspiracy theory he knew wasn't true is his eager mention of how they're ready to get those weapons! Iow, mentioning the very thing that was being denied them by Trump to appease Trump and signal that he understood fully what was being asked.
Very clearly senior officials in the Ukraine knew Trump wanted them to create fake evidence of the previous administration being the actual architects of the cyber war against the US--ironically conceding that such an attack was real and that it benefitted him--the purpose of which would ultimately act as pretext for Putin to either get the sanctions removed or allow Putin to act further against the Ukraine (perhaps both), which is likely why no one in the Ukraine under Zelensky (the old guard) actually cooperated with such a suicide mission after Guilani made it covertly clear some time in May/June, if not explicitly clear in July, in spite of the inexperienced Zelensky scrambling to suck Trump's cock on the phone call.
Giuliani lays the groundwork most likely earlier than May (as that's just when he plans an actual trip; everything else would have been set down by his idiot go betweens that got caught); Trump stops the aid once he gets the word from Guiliani; Zelensky knows something is up (more than likely what); Giuliani confirms, regardless, what that something is; Trump lets Zelensky stew in the fear for a couple weeks; Trump makes his "perfect" phone call delivering the threat in person this time to make no mistake about what it is he wants Zelensky to do--just like a mob boss--and if it weren't for actual patriots blowing the whistle, we'd be looking at a fake "Steele" dossier coming from the Ukraine right about now.
ETA: The one thing no one seems to be asking is why in the world would Trump want the Ukraine to take the fall for Russia and counterfeit evidence that it was the Ukraine that put him into the White House? He's already openly shat on the entire intelligence community dozens of times and no one in the intelligence community (or any other department of the government, regardless of their public faces) believes they're wrong, so what does shifting the blame--and conceding his Presidency is not legitimate as a result--on the Ukraine do, other than, as I noted, give pretext to possibly lifting sanctions and/or giving Putin reason to act with further aggression against the Ukraine (though, how he would pull that off is not clear, since the blame--for it to work--would have to be put on Zelensky's predecessor, not Zelenksy).
He must fear that there is still something we (the people) don't know about in regard to proving he colluded with Russia, as, supposedly, according to him, the Mueller report already exonerated him fully (in spite of the fact that it did no such thing). Which in turn must mean the Dems--or someone--has a smoking gun/October surprise that they got wind of that involves proving direct coordination with Putin in the 2016 election that he's trying desperately to undermine by taking these extraordinarily stupid steps.
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Amb. Volker is going the 'I should have seen it all along' route and is not providing Trump with cover.
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Millions of people are scratching their heads at the moment, thinking "that's the best they can come up with?"
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Nope. That is tomorrow. Gordon "The Smoking Gun" Sondland testifies.
The big problem Trump has with Sondland, beyond being the smoking gun is he isn't deep state. He is Trump Swamp material. He bundled and donated big and got the ambassadorship. Yeah, money -> ambassadorship isn't scandal (it should be but it isn't). It is the fact that this guy was in this position because he gave the Trump campaign lots of money and being outside the system, it is going to be difficult to argue he is either Deep State or Never Trumper. Trump's last defense is ignorance. I donn knowa the guy... that gave my campaign enough money to buy an ambassadorship, via being bundler and donating $1 million to the inauguration.
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Sondland was called by the Democrats.
Volker and Morrison were called by the Republicans - the best they could come up with. Incredible.
Yup, all that and a good chance that he might decide to let it all hang out. That would make Jim Jordan, Devin Nunes and Lindsey Graham crawl even further up Trump's butt. Not sure how it would effect public opinion though. I'm starting to think the best outcome for Dems would be impeach and have the majority of the Senate vote to convict, but fall short of the 67 required for removal. And that looks quite possible at this point.
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says impeachment inquiry is 'at the point of no return' - AOL News because of clear evidence of Trump's criminality.
But impeachment does not seem to be a high priority for her - she didn't campaign on impeaching him. Joe Crowley, her primary opponent, had a vague promise to stand up to Trump, but she promised a rather big agenda: Medicare for All, abolish ICE, a Federal jobs guarantee, tuition-free public colleges, forgiveness of student-loan debt, etc.
Back to the recent article.
Last spring: Ocasio-Cortez: 'I support impeaching this president'
She didn't mention Russia, but she considered it a case of emoluments. All in all,
But impeachment does not seem to be a high priority for her - she didn't campaign on impeaching him. Joe Crowley, her primary opponent, had a vague promise to stand up to Trump, but she promised a rather big agenda: Medicare for All, abolish ICE, a Federal jobs guarantee, tuition-free public colleges, forgiveness of student-loan debt, etc.
Back to the recent article.