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Pelosi: Impeachment Is Moving Forward

Half-Life said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
ZiprHead said:
What did Joe Biden do that was wrong in the Ukraine situation?
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Joe Biden allowed his son to use the untainted *snicker* reputation of the office of the VP of the US as cover for Burisma to attempt to pretty up their overall PR image which was rather tainted. Hunter Biden was not the only political member of the board. I don't believe Hunter Biden did anything wrong... or anything at all. His last name (relative to the VP of the US) was meant to be used as a shield to protect for the corporation and certainly worth the pittance they gave him (relative to their revenue). The bonus issue was a potential presumption of conflict of interest with anything on Ukraine or Burisma that comes across Biden's desk. Even at $50k a month, that amounts to $0.6 million a year.

Trump on the other hand conspired to strong arm an ally's newly elected President to collude with him in order to present a fake corruption investigation (after Giuliani found nothing himself) into one of Trump's political opponents in the 2020 Presidential Election. He did this by using around $400 million in aid to Ukraine, approved by Congress. Did I mention that the President of the United States released the smoking gun transcript?

That any equivalence is being attempted is just stupid.

1) Biden's issue is gray, Trump's is black and white.
2) There is no evidence supporting that Biden's son broke rules, Trump released the transcript proving the accusation
3) The magnitude of money involved is substantial

Moore meet Coulter.
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Fox News was laughing about how "Obama was sending pallets of cash to Iran!! No impeachment! No investigation! Nothing from the Democrats! We all know if Trump did that, Dems would be screaming their heads off!!" The guy was almost in tears from laughing.
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What a pathetic attempt at false equivalence.
 
Harry Bosch said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Jason Harvestdancer said:
The LP waited until there was an impeachment process before they took a position you support, so you have to say "well they didn't support it when it was just suspicion." You'll go to any length, won't you?
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The LP had a position not to impeach earlier. Insults do not improve your argument.
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There's no doubt that some on the left were wanting impeachment from day one. This is making the task very difficult now that there are actual reasons for impeachment. I hate Trump. However, he won the election. Wanting to impeach Trump from day one empowered his allies and the people who voted for him, creating numerous conspiracy theories (that were baloney) that motivated Trumpsters and closed their ears to rational debate.

We need to pursue impeachment now because we can't allow it to stand that a president can blackmail countries into helping him/her. We can't allow it to stand. But impeachment is going to hurt the dems and make it more difficult to defeat Trump in 2020.
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I hope and think so. Not forgetting American efforts to interfere with Russian elections not all that long ago!

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...s-a-long-history-of-election-meddling/565538/
 
Patooka said:
Half-Life said:
Fox News was laughing about how "Obama was sending pallets of cash to Iran!! No impeachment! No investigation! Nothing from the Democrats! We all know if Trump did that, Dems would be screaming their heads off!!" The guy was almost in tears from laughing.
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What a pathetic attempt at false equivalence.
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There's nothing false about Hussain Obama's kneeling to Islam and the payment of a minimum of of 1.5 billion USD to Iran's mullahs.
 
angelo said:
Patooka said:
Half-Life said:
Fox News was laughing about how "Obama was sending pallets of cash to Iran!! No impeachment! No investigation! Nothing from the Democrats! We all know if Trump did that, Dems would be screaming their heads off!!" The guy was almost in tears from laughing.
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What a pathetic attempt at false equivalence.
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There's nothing false about Hussain Obama's kneeling to Islam and the payment of a minimum of of 1.5 billion USD to Iran's mullahs.
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Multilateral nuclear weapons disarmament deal verses shakedown of new President of ally. Today on... We Will Say Anything... to distract from Trump’s certain guilt.
 
How does, "but other people have murdered dozens of people too" get someone off of death row?
 
Half-Life said:
Gun Nut said:
Half-Life said:
I think you're really reaching on this one.
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No, I am just using basic common sense with common English. You are lying. you are intentionally misrepresenting. Why is the important question at this point. Obviously you want to separate Trump from the statement he made.. blame someone else... I guess you have a problem with what he said, but an even bigger problem with having a problem with anything he said, it seems. That's lying. dishonesty.. being a piece of shit that isn't worth the dirt it stands on... that kind of thing.

What does it even mean to say that "the polls" said something? The "polls" said that some percentage of people indicated they would vote for Trump. I know for a fact that you have no belief whatsoever that the polls said anything else... because you are obviously a liar and cannot be trusted. nothing you say has any value.
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I just watched the video clip and it certainly looks like he was saying it in jest. He obviously never did it to prove it and we know he never will.

People are so sensitive to comedy these days. I hate the PC world.
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You brought this up and then complain it was brought up.. that's quite the backpedal fail. Why did you bring it up? The worst aspect of what he said is that it was rather ominous and inappropriate.. not like anyone is impeaching him over it. I think you brought it up to try and re-write the history of him saying something that was a little stupid to say... your attempt to reframe the fact he made that up as him repeating something that someone else said was important to you for some reason... My only guess is that you find it important that he not have said that... so you are ashamed or concerned with him having said that... ok. that's fair. no need to lie about it, though.
 
Elixir said:
Moscow Mitch says he is not going to allow further witnesses to testify at the circus trial. At least nobody with the first hand knowledge the Repubs are demanding (because they really really want more evidence, saying there's not enough to impeach because he never said "I want a Quid Fucking Pro Fucking QUO!" in public).

Anyhow, the question:
If a vote is taken on the House floor on Wednesday and Trump is impeached, does the Senate automatically gain purvue, or can the House sit on it?

Giving Moscow Mitch total controlof the impeachment narrative at this point would be a terrible mistake IMHO. Cheato is going to continue to ramp up his election rigging activities as long as there is no vote to convict/remove him. The billions of rubles that certain people (named stuff like Firtash and Deripaska might be hesitant to spend otherwise, will certainly be enthusiastically forthcoming for investment in the TrumPutin propaganda machine, voting machine hacking, voter roll alterations etc., as soon as Cheato is crowing about his "total exoneration". I believe he will probably "win" re-election if that is the story from now to November.
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Impeachment in the United States
If the House votes to impeach, managers (typically referred to as "House managers", with a "lead House manager") are selected to present the case to the Senate. Recently, managers have been selected by resolution, while historically the House would occasionally elect the managers or pass a resolution allowing the appointment of managers at the discretion of the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives. These managers are roughly the equivalent of the prosecution or district attorney in a standard criminal trial. Also, the House will adopt a resolution in order to notify the Senate of its action. After receiving the notice, the Senate will adopt an order notifying the House that it is ready to receive the managers. The House managers then appear before the bar of the Senate and exhibit the articles of impeachment. After the reading of the charges, the managers return and make a verbal report to the House.
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Seems like there's room to manuever. Kind of like when McConnell delayed the vote for Obama's SCOTUS nominee.
 
 
lpetrich said:
Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "SUCH ATROCIOUS LIES BY THE RADICAL LEFT, DO NOTHING DEMOCRATS. THIS IS AN ASSAULT ON AMERICA, AND AN ASSAULT ON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!!!!" / Twitter
then
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "No normal person would be able to get away with attempting to extort a foreign power to compromise our country.
But all too often, the most corrupt and powerful people grow so accustomed to life with impunity that standard accountability feels to them like unjust persecution. https://t.co/mjPF1xZogT" / Twitter

Trump seems so belligerent and angry while AOC seems so thoughtful and insightful.
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Economy is BOOMING, Record low unemployment overall, record low unemployment for blacks and Latinos, signed an executive order to combat anti-semitism....but he's a racist Nazi who hates Jews and minorities!!!

Do Nothing Unhinged Democrats indeed.
 
Half-Life said:
lpetrich said:
Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "SUCH ATROCIOUS LIES BY THE RADICAL LEFT, DO NOTHING DEMOCRATS. THIS IS AN ASSAULT ON AMERICA, AND AN ASSAULT ON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!!!!" / Twitter
then
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "No normal person would be able to get away with attempting to extort a foreign power to compromise our country.
But all too often, the most corrupt and powerful people grow so accustomed to life with impunity that standard accountability feels to them like unjust persecution. https://t.co/mjPF1xZogT" / Twitter

Trump seems so belligerent and angry while AOC seems so thoughtful and insightful.
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Economy is BOOMING, Record low unemployment overall, record low unemployment for blacks and Latinos, signed an executive order to combat anti-semitism....but he's a racist Nazi who hates Jews and minorities!!!

Do Nothing Unhinged Democrats indeed.
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The economy is going well so we should allow law breaking? How does that work?
 
ZiprHead said:
Half-Life said:
lpetrich said:
Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "SUCH ATROCIOUS LIES BY THE RADICAL LEFT, DO NOTHING DEMOCRATS. THIS IS AN ASSAULT ON AMERICA, AND AN ASSAULT ON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!!!!" / Twitter
then
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "No normal person would be able to get away with attempting to extort a foreign power to compromise our country.
But all too often, the most corrupt and powerful people grow so accustomed to life with impunity that standard accountability feels to them like unjust persecution. https://t.co/mjPF1xZogT" / Twitter

Trump seems so belligerent and angry while AOC seems so thoughtful and insightful.
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Economy is BOOMING, Record low unemployment overall, record low unemployment for blacks and Latinos, signed an executive order to combat anti-semitism....but he's a racist Nazi who hates Jews and minorities!!!

Do Nothing Unhinged Democrats indeed.
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The economy is going well so we should allow law breaking? How does that work?
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What law breaking?
 
Half-Life said:
ZiprHead said:
The statutes are listed in the articles of impeachment.
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ZiprHead has committed murder.

Is this true or did I just make up a crime against you?
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What evidence xan you supply? Maybe he released a transcript of the murder?
Restaged the murder on National TV?

Did his aide say, 'he did it, move on'?
 
Keith&Co. said:
Half-Life said:
ZiprHead said:
The statutes are listed in the articles of impeachment.
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ZiprHead has committed murder.

Is this true or did I just make up a crime against you?
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What evidence xan you supply? Maybe he released a transcript of the murder?
Restaged the murder on National TV?

Did his aide say, 'he did it, move on'?
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Not an impeachable offense. Plenty of Presidents have asked foreign leaders to do a favor for America. It's definitely a sham witch hunt.
 
Half-Life said:
Keith&Co. said:
What evidence xan you supply? Maybe he released a transcript of the murder?
Restaged the murder on National TV?

Did his aide say, 'he did it, move on'?
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Not an impeachable offense. Plenty of Presidents have asked foreign leaders to do a favor for America. It's definitely a sham witch hunt.
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it was not a favor for America. If it were, the focus would have been on the investigation, not the announcement.
And it would not have been coordinated with his personal lawyer.
And it would not have been tied to the aid he withheld.

So, nice dream, but not a real defense.
 
Keith&Co. said:
Half-Life said:
Keith&Co. said:
What evidence xan you supply? Maybe he released a transcript of the murder?
Restaged the murder on National TV?

Did his aide say, 'he did it, move on'?
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Not an impeachable offense. Plenty of Presidents have asked foreign leaders to do a favor for America. It's definitely a sham witch hunt.
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it was not a favor for America. If it were, the focus would have been on the investigation, not the announcement.
And it would not have been coordinated with his personal lawyer.
And it would not have been tied to the aid he withheld.

So, nice dream, but not a real defense.
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So you really don't think that the Deep State is just doing this to smear Trump?
 
Half-Life said:
Keith&Co. said:
it was not a favor for America. If it were, the focus would have been on the investigation, not the announcement.
And it would not have been coordinated with his personal lawyer.
And it would not have been tied to the aid he withheld.

So, nice dream, but not a real defense.
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So you really don't think that the Deep State is just doing this to smear Trump?
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Giuliani said he had to get the Ambassador to the Ukraine "out of the way" for this 'favor.'

So, no, i do not subscribe to the conspiracy theory.
Really.

Also, the DEEP STATE is not forcing Trump to obstruct...
 
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