The Virus - Are You Affected?

[The Colourful Jester]

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/12/...-discharged-from-hospital-intl-gbr/index.html

Boris Johnson released from hospital.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-12/coronavirus-update-australia-covid19-us-deaths-20000/12142860

Tim Brooke-Taylor Dies. Bad swap I feel personally.

 

[ZiprHead]

South Korea reports recovered coronavirus patients testing positive again

South Korean officials on Friday reported 91 patients thought cleared of the new coronavirus had tested positive again.

Jeong Eun-kyeong, director of the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC), told a briefing that the virus may have been “reactivated” rather than the patients being re-infected.

South Korean health officials said it remains unclear what is behind the trend, with epidemiological investigations still under way.

The prospect of people being re-infected with the virus is of international concern, as many countries are hoping that infected populations will develop sufficient immunity to prevent a resurgence of the pandemic.

The South Korean figure had risen from 51 such cases on Monday.

 

[barbos]

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Preexisting conditions - stupidosis.

 

[ZiprHead]

From dinner to funeral to birthday party to church service: How 1 sick person led to 16 likely coronavirus cases and 3 deaths

Before shelter-in-place orders and social distancing measures had been implemented in Illinois to curtail the spread of the coronavirus, a man with a mild respiratory illness shared a takeout meal with a couple of close friends mourning the death of a relative in Chicago.

The next day, the man attended the funeral. A few days later, he joined another family for a birthday party.

The man later tested positive for the coronavirus.

Within a matter of days, he had close contact with several people at these family gatherings and apparently infected 10 people, according to an investigation by the Chicago Department of Public Health. Once those individuals went home and attended other social functions, health officials suspect at least 16 people, between the ages of 5 and 86, had contracted the coronavirus (seven confirmed through testing, nine with suspected symptoms). Three died after catching the virus, according to the report published Wednesday.

 

[barbos]

From dinner to funeral to birthday party to church service: How 1 sick person led to 16 likely coronavirus cases and 3 deaths

Before shelter-in-place orders and social distancing measures had been implemented in Illinois to curtail the spread of the coronavirus, a man with a mild respiratory illness shared a takeout meal with a couple of close friends mourning the death of a relative in Chicago.

The next day, the man attended the funeral. A few days later, he joined another family for a birthday party.

The man later tested positive for the coronavirus.

Within a matter of days, he had close contact with several people at these family gatherings and apparently infected 10 people, according to an investigation by the Chicago Department of Public Health. Once those individuals went home and attended other social functions, health officials suspect at least 16 people, between the ages of 5 and 86, had contracted the coronavirus (seven confirmed through testing, nine with suspected symptoms). Three died after catching the virus, according to the report published Wednesday.

20-80 rule. 20% of people are responsible for 80% of problems (infections)

 

[Derec]

South Korea reports recovered coronavirus patients testing positive again

False test results could also be at fault, other experts said, or remnants of the virus could still be in patients’ systems but not be infectious or of danger to the host or others.

Let's hope it's this. If the test detects a particular signature of the virus, those molecules may be floating in the patients for a while even if not part of infectious virus particles.

 

[Derec]

What's ironically entertaining is that six pack of yellow/brown beer, Basement POG, which is brewed by the SCOFFLAW Brewing Co.

That's some good beer! Unlike that piss on the bottom shelf.

 

[Derec]

So escorted out of the store for wearing a medical mask while black. Nice! Hope the cop is fired.

Reminds me of this story down our way where surgical masks were actually used in a robbery.
Gunman wearing surgical mask leaves behind iPhone at Peachtree City store during robbery
Good thing the guy was an idiot though, eh?

 

[TV and credit cards]

This is some serious Upton Sinclair shit here.

At a Wayne Farms chicken processing plant in Alabama, workers recently had to pay the company 10 cents a day to buy masks to protect themselves from the new coronavirus, according to a meat inspector.

http://https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-meat-focus/elbow-to-elbow-north-america-meat-plant-workers-fall-ill-walk-off-jobs-idUSKCN21V0WM

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

This is some serious Upton Sinclair shit here.

At a Wayne Farms chicken processing plant in Alabama, workers recently had to pay the company 10 cents a day to buy masks to protect themselves from the new coronavirus, according to a meat inspector.

http://https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-meat-focus/elbow-to-elbow-north-america-meat-plant-workers-fall-ill-walk-off-jobs-idUSKCN21V0WM

"I owe my soul to the company store."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIfu2A0ezq0

 

[crazyfingers]

So escorted out of the store for wearing a medical mask while black. Nice! Hope the cop is fired.

Reminds me of this story down our way where surgical masks were actually used in a robbery.
Gunman wearing surgical mask leaves behind iPhone at Peachtree City store during robbery
Good thing the guy was an idiot though, eh?

Are you actually suggesting that during this pandemic it's actually reasonable to assume that someone wearing a mask in a store is more likely to be a robber than trying to protect oneself and others from the virus? Because if you're not than I am at a loss why you'd post such a comment.

 

[Elixir]

So escorted out of the store for wearing a medical mask while black. Nice! Hope the cop is fired.

Reminds me of this story down our way where surgical masks were actually used in a robbery.
Gunman wearing surgical mask leaves behind iPhone at Peachtree City store during robbery
Good thing the guy was an idiot though, eh?

Are you actually suggesting that during this pandemic it's actually reasonable to assume that someone wearing a mask in a store is more likely to be a robber than trying to protect oneself and others from the virus? Because if you're not than I am at a loss why you'd post such a comment.

I think that was libbertard humor. It's always hard to tell...

 

[Loren Pechtel]

20-80 rule. 20% of people are responsible for 80% of problems (infections)

Likely so--lifestyles will make a difference. Some people spend a lot of time near others, others do not.

 

[Jokodo]

Talked to intensive care doctors in Stockholm and Copenhagen today. So these are doctors at Karolinska and Bispebjerg. So Sweden's biggest hospital and Copenhagen's second biggest hospital.

They are bored with to little to do. According to the calculations the 12/4 should be the peak of patients coming in in Denmark. I don't know the date for Sweden, but they had less restrictions so should have had it a couple of days earlier.

You're misunderstanding. There is no reason to believe Sweden will peak earlier than Denmark. Those figures about "flatten the curve" that were circulated a couple months ago? They're to some extent misleading since they all assume that eventually, we'll reach natural herd immunity by getting 60-70% of the population infected over the course of a few months. No western country (other than maybe Sweden) is going for that strategy anymore. Other countries, including Denmark, are aiming to suppress the reproduction rate of the virus below 1.0 long before a significant share of the population achieves natural immunity (and a smaller but still significant share dies). See https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56 for a layman friendly discussion or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z0gnXgK8Do for a video (German, but English subtitles available).

If Sweden has opted to actually achieve natural heard immunity by stretching the curve, while Denmark is aiming to cut it short, Denmark's peak is obviously expected much earlier than Sweden's.

By the way, does anyone believe Sweden's numbers? People don't die on weekends? In the week starting March 30, they had between 34 and 69 deaths a day Monday through Friday. Then, miraculously, deaths dropped to 15 on Saturday, 28 on Sunday. Next week, between 76 and 114 deaths each day Monday-Friday. For the Easter weekend (with Monday being a public holiday), deaths dropped to 17/12/20 a day. Today, they're back up at 114. Sorry, that's only half-way plausible if you believe in resurrection.

The conclusion is that for Scandinavians the restrictions have been unnecessarily strict.

Worth noting is that the differences can be cultural. Scandinavians are very rule abiding and obedient. Italians are the opposite. It might explain the differences.

Almost everybody here takes the lockdown and social distancing more seriously than what we're told to. It's become a social virtue to take it extremely seriously. People are shamed for being social. It might help explain it.

The absence of severe consequences from the virus isn't sufficient to conclude that the restrictions have been unnecessarily strict; Only that they were at least as strict as necessary.

They may or may not have been too strict, but that's very difficult to assess - and given the dire consequences of not being strict enough, it's probably better that they err on the side of caution.

No. I think that's exactly what it means. Now Denmark will ease restrictions. Sweden will keep on doing what they have been doing all the time

BBC News - Coronavirus: Why Denmark is taking steps to open up again
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52226763

The link doesn't say what you want to conclude from it. Denmark isn't easing some restrictions because they've achieved widespread immunity, they are (tentatively and with a foot on the brake) easing some restrictions because they believe that they have stomped hard enough that they can do so and still keep R(eff) below 1.0 with those restrictions that remain in place. Nothing about Sweden follows from that.

 

[bleubird]

I had a customer lick his fingers to count his money,I sprayed it with Lysol in front of him.

 

[ZiprHead]

Photos show bodies piled up and stored in vacant rooms at Detroit hospital

(CNN)Photos shared among emergency room staff at Sinai-Grace Hospital in Detroit show bodies being stored in vacant hospital rooms and piled on top of each other inside refrigerated holding units brought into the hospital's parking lot.

CNN acquired the photos from an emergency room worker.
Two other emergency room workers confirm the photos are an accurate portrayal of the scene taking place at the hospital during early April, during one 12-hour shift they describe as overwhelming.

The ER workers spoke to CNN on the condition of anonymity out of concern for their jobs.

 

[SimpleDon]

I have decided that my wife and I have had the disease. I am at least 90% percent sure that what we thought was a nasty case of bronchitis in mid-February was actually covid-19. I was really very sick and I checked myself into the hospital so that I could use their zero gravity burn beds. These rotate to use gravity to help clear my lungs of mucus. There is no other reason for me to check into the hospital, I have my own nurses and respirator as well as a cough assist machine which is a vacuum cleaner for the lungs. I left the hospital because they couldn't let me use the burn bed because they had a burn patient who needed it.

We were informed that one of respiratory techs who treated me developed covid-19. Then I read that if you had a serious respiratory disease in February or early March you probably had covid-19 because the doctors weren't trained to look for the disease then.

We got sick when we were on Dauphin Island on vacation with my wife, her bother, his significant other, and my brother. I am pretty sure that my brother gave it to us. He lives in Seattle and he and his youngest son developed symptoms consistent with covid-19. I had all of the symptoms except for the high fever, but I usually don't have an elevated fever when I should, I had a ruptured colon for seven days and never had a high fever. My wife had a fairly mild case but my brother-in-law's significant other had a pretty bad time with it. My brother-in-law didn't get sick.

 

[DrZoidberg]

You're misunderstanding. There is no reason to believe Sweden will peak earlier than Denmark. Those figures about "flatten the curve" that were circulated a couple months ago? They're to some extent misleading since they all assume that eventually, we'll reach natural herd immunity by getting 60-70% of the population infected over the course of a few months. No western country (other than maybe Sweden) is going for that strategy anymore. Other countries, including Denmark, are aiming to suppress the reproduction rate of the virus below 1.0 long before a significant share of the population achieves natural immunity (and a smaller but still significant share dies). See https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56 for a layman friendly discussion or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z0gnXgK8Do for a video (German, but English subtitles available).

If Sweden has opted to actually achieve natural heard immunity by stretching the curve, while Denmark is aiming to cut it short, Denmark's peak is obviously expected much earlier than Sweden's.

What? Denmark and Sweden has the same strategy. The countries look demographically different, which is why government policies vary. But they have the same end goal.

By the way, does anyone believe Sweden's numbers? People don't die on weekends? In the week starting March 30, they had between 34 and 69 deaths a day Monday through Friday. Then, miraculously, deaths dropped to 15 on Saturday, 28 on Sunday. Next week, between 76 and 114 deaths each day Monday-Friday. For the Easter weekend (with Monday being a public holiday), deaths dropped to 17/12/20 a day. Today, they're back up at 114. Sorry, that's only half-way plausible if you believe in resurrection.

The administrative staff that report the numbers are free on weekends? But numbers are unreliable everywhere. There's a shortage of tests and testing capacity. If there's a queue to a testing lab they're going to wait with the already dead patients. Triage patients have priority. Lab staff are already over-worked everywhere. It's a bottle neck.

The absence of severe consequences from the virus isn't sufficient to conclude that the restrictions have been unnecessarily strict; Only that they were at least as strict as necessary.

They may or may not have been too strict, but that's very difficult to assess - and given the dire consequences of not being strict enough, it's probably better that they err on the side of caution.

No. I think that's exactly what it means. Now Denmark will ease restrictions. Sweden will keep on doing what they have been doing all the time

BBC News - Coronavirus: Why Denmark is taking steps to open up again
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52226763

The link doesn't say what you want to conclude from it. Denmark isn't easing some restrictions because they've achieved widespread immunity, they are (tentatively and with a foot on the brake) easing some restrictions because they believe that they have stomped hard enough that they can do so and still keep R(eff) below 1.0 with those restrictions that remain in place. Nothing about Sweden follows from that.

I thought that was what I said? Both Sweden and Denmark is very far from herd immunity still.

 

[Jokodo]

What? Denmark and Sweden has the same strategy. The countries look demographically different, which is why government policies vary. But they have the same end goal.






The administrative staff that report the numbers are free on weekends? But numbers are unreliable everywhere. There's a shortage of tests and testing capacity. If there's a queue to a testing lab they're going to wait with the already dead patients. Triage patients have priority. Lab staff are already over-worked everywhere. It's a bottle neck.

The absence of severe consequences from the virus isn't sufficient to conclude that the restrictions have been unnecessarily strict; Only that they were at least as strict as necessary.

They may or may not have been too strict, but that's very difficult to assess - and given the dire consequences of not being strict enough, it's probably better that they err on the side of caution.

No. I think that's exactly what it means. Now Denmark will ease restrictions. Sweden will keep on doing what they have been doing all the time

BBC News - Coronavirus: Why Denmark is taking steps to open up again
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52226763

The link doesn't say what you want to conclude from it. Denmark isn't easing some restrictions because they've achieved widespread immunity, they are (tentatively and with a foot on the brake) easing some restrictions because they believe that they have stomped hard enough that they can do so and still keep R(eff) below 1.0 with those restrictions that remain in place. Nothing about Sweden follows from that.

I thought that was what I said? Both Sweden and Denmark is very far from herd immunity still.

You said that you expect Sweden to peak earlier because they have laxer measures. That makes sense if Denmark and Sweden both flatten the curve, with Denmark doing more of it, but both eventually reaching the same number of cumulative infections. It does not make sense if Denmark and Sweden both try to suppress the outbreak without getting a high number of infections, and Denmark taking a more radical approach in doing so. In the latter case, the eventual total number of infections is expected to be lower, and the peak crucially earlier, in Denmark.

Here is, literally, what you said: "[Sweden] had less restrictions so should have had it a couple of days earlier." This does not make sense when both aim at stomping out the outbreak before it reaches high numbers, but it does make sense if both merely flatten the curve.

 

[DrZoidberg]

What? Denmark and Sweden has the same strategy. The countries look demographically different, which is why government policies vary. But they have the same end goal.






The administrative staff that report the numbers are free on weekends? But numbers are unreliable everywhere. There's a shortage of tests and testing capacity. If there's a queue to a testing lab they're going to wait with the already dead patients. Triage patients have priority. Lab staff are already over-worked everywhere. It's a bottle neck.

No. I think that's exactly what it means. Now Denmark will ease restrictions. Sweden will keep on doing what they have been doing all the time

BBC News - Coronavirus: Why Denmark is taking steps to open up again
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52226763

The link doesn't say what you want to conclude from it. Denmark isn't easing some restrictions because they've achieved widespread immunity, they are (tentatively and with a foot on the brake) easing some restrictions because they believe that they have stomped hard enough that they can do so and still keep R(eff) below 1.0 with those restrictions that remain in place. Nothing about Sweden follows from that.

I thought that was what I said? Both Sweden and Denmark is very far from herd immunity still.

You said that you expect Sweden to peak earlier because they have laxer measures. That makes sense if Denmark and Sweden both flatten the curve, with Denmark doing more of it, but both eventually reaching the same number of cumulative infections. It does not make sense if Denmark and Sweden both try to suppress the outbreak without getting a high number of infections, and Denmark taking a more radical approach in doing so. In the latter case, the eventual total number of infections is expected to be lower, and the peak crucially earlier, in Denmark.

Here is, literally, what you said: "[Sweden] had less restrictions so should have had it a couple of days earlier." This does not make sense when both aim at stomping out the outbreak before it reaches high numbers, but it does make sense if both merely flatten the curve.

Denmark was aiming for peak deaths 12/4. Sweden 10/4. And then a trailing tail downwards. They were both wrong. Both countries stopped infection rates more than what was desireable if the goal is to minimally disrupt society.

For Denmark I know it in detail because I'm friends with somebody who is in charge of organising one of the shifts in the Corona ward of the second biggest hospital. She's told exactly, in detail, what Sundhedsstyrelsen's (Danish CDC) strategy is in the goal behind it.

At this point nobody knows why Italy went so out of control and Scandinavia didn't. To quote the guys at This week in virology podcast, "this is something we're going to study for many years to come".

I also saw an encourging article about Africa. Due to the continents relationship with infectious diseases they already have cultures well adapted to minimse damage from diseases. So we might be overly concerned by how things will turn out there.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-52268320

Right now there's many unknowns.