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The Virus - Are You Affected?

So escorted out of the store for wearing a medical mask while black. Nice! Hope the cop is fired.

I went to our grocery today to get some prescription antibiotics for my mom at the pharmacy. Close to 100% of the people, shoppers and employees had a mask or bandana or scarf over mouth and nose. An employee wipes down the shopping cart handles for every customer that goes in. All checkout lanes have plexiglass barriers between the checker and customers.

The governor ordered today all grocery stores limit the number of people inside to 40% of building fire code capacity but this store is limiting to 20% on their own. There was a short wait to get in but not bad. All places where people would line up have clear 6 foot spacing markers and employees were politely reminding people. They have marked the different isles as one way.

If they only had toilet paper.... but we have enough for a while yet.
 
Ya. I expect a lot of people would buy a couple huge rolls of commercial grade TP if it was on the shelf. Of course they don't currently even have a bar code for them in grocery.
 
Spain is moving to establish permanent basic income in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic

Spain is moving to implement a permanent basic income as a measure to help workers and families battered by the coronavirus pandemic.

Nadia Calviño, the country's minister for economic affairs, told the Spanish broadcaster La Sexta on Sunday evening that the government was planning to introduce the cash handouts as part of a barrage of policies meant to help people get back on their feet.

She said enacting basic income was "mostly aimed at families, but differentiating between their circumstances."
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ZiprHead said:
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This is report makes some really good points about the production of toilet paper, but I don't quite buy it as an explanation of why there is a continued shortage. People are hoarding products other than toilet paper, but those products do not have the same explanation for why the shelves are still empty. It is still the case that people will grab an extra pack of TP, if they happen to arrive at a store when it is still in stock. That is simple gamesmanship. If you believe that the supply is dodgy, for whatever reason, you have a stronger motivation to buy a product when you find it available. We were just in a dollar store recently and spotted TP available with a limit of 2 packs per customer. So we grabbed 2 packs. We had two week's supply of it at home, but we still didn't feel confident that it would be available in two weeks when we planned to go out shopping again.
 
I think toilet paper has become a trophy in a perverse scavenger hunt. I picked up a pack of tp at Costco this week, there was plenty.

LA is mandating face masks as of Friday. Not sure how the homeless are going to cope with this.
 
ZiprHead said:
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Yeah, the officer was so concerned about them that he stopped to talk to a lady at the 1 minute mark!!! He never even told them to leave. They chose to leave on their own. This was also about 3 weeks ago when hardly anyone was wearing a mask so it looked more suspicious.

Stop claiming racism where none exists. This is what people hate about the left. A black person can say, "We're not oppressed" and a leftist will say, "SHUT UP!! YOU ARE OPPRESSED!!!!" They are always desperate to paint black people as oppressed victims. That is the true racism right there. Just stop the nonsense.
 
Half-Life said:
ZiprHead said:
[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/rtgUMDzG1V0[/YOUTUBE]
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Yeah, the officer was so concerned about them that he stopped to talk to a lady at the 1 minute mark!!! He never even told them to leave. They chose to leave on their own. This was also about 3 weeks ago when hardly anyone was wearing a mask so it looked more suspicious.

Stop claiming racism where none exists. This is what people hate about the left. A black person can say, "We're not oppressed" and a leftist will say, "SHUT UP!! YOU ARE OPPRESSED!!!!" They are always desperate to paint black people as oppressed victims. That is the true racism right there. Just stop the nonsense.
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Triggered much, babe? No mention of race in the post or the video, yet that is where your mind leaped to. What I saw was a legislative fucking nightmare as allegedly city law contradicted state law which contradicted whatever Trump is saying.
 
Politesse said:
Uh, I definitely see fucking racism in that video. Are you blind or something?
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Must be. I know American cops generally have their sense of humour removed at birth, but ZiprHead didn't editorialize the video, the maker of the video stipulated that his was getting booted for wearing a mask which is against city law several times and I'm assuming the cop also had a body cam on. It's obvious that I'm missing some nuance shown in the clip, but Half-life going from zero to one-twenty after seeing this without prompting seems pretty absurd in my opinion.
 
Talked to intensive care doctors in Stockholm and Copenhagen today. So these are doctors at Karolinska and Bispebjerg. So Sweden's biggest hospital and Copenhagen's second biggest hospital.

They are bored with to little to do. According to the calculations the 12/4 should be the peak of patients coming in in Denmark. I don't know the date for Sweden, but they had less restrictions so should have had it a couple of days earlier.

The conclusion is that for Scandinavians the restrictions have been unnecessarily strict.

Worth noting is that the differences can be cultural. Scandinavians are very rule abiding and obedient. Italians are the opposite. It might explain the differences.

Almost everybody here takes the lockdown and social distancing more seriously than what we're told to. It's become a social virtue to take it extremely seriously. People are shamed for being social. It might help explain it.
 
DrZoidberg said:
Talked to intensive care doctors in Stockholm and Copenhagen today. So these are doctors at Karolinska and Bispebjerg. So Sweden's biggest hospital and Copenhagen's second biggest hospital.

They are bored with to little to do. According to the calculations the 12/4 should be the peak of patients coming in in Denmark. I don't know the date for Sweden, but they had less restrictions so should have had it a couple of days earlier.

The conclusion is that for Scandinavians the restrictions have been unnecessarily strict.

Worth noting is that the differences can be cultural. Scandinavians are very rule abiding and obedient. Italians are the opposite. It might explain the differences.

Almost everybody here takes the lockdown and social distancing more seriously than what we're told to. It's become a social virtue to take it extremely seriously. People are shamed for being social. It might help explain it.
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The absence of severe consequences from the virus isn't sufficient to conclude that the restrictions have been unnecessarily strict; Only that they were at least as strict as necessary.

They may or may not have been too strict, but that's very difficult to assess - and given the dire consequences of not being strict enough, it's probably better that they err on the side of caution.
 
bilby said:
DrZoidberg said:
Talked to intensive care doctors in Stockholm and Copenhagen today. So these are doctors at Karolinska and Bispebjerg. So Sweden's biggest hospital and Copenhagen's second biggest hospital.

They are bored with to little to do. According to the calculations the 12/4 should be the peak of patients coming in in Denmark. I don't know the date for Sweden, but they had less restrictions so should have had it a couple of days earlier.

The conclusion is that for Scandinavians the restrictions have been unnecessarily strict.

Worth noting is that the differences can be cultural. Scandinavians are very rule abiding and obedient. Italians are the opposite. It might explain the differences.

Almost everybody here takes the lockdown and social distancing more seriously than what we're told to. It's become a social virtue to take it extremely seriously. People are shamed for being social. It might help explain it.
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The absence of severe consequences from the virus isn't sufficient to conclude that the restrictions have been unnecessarily strict; Only that they were at least as strict as necessary.

They may or may not have been too strict, but that's very difficult to assess - and given the dire consequences of not being strict enough, it's probably better that they err on the side of caution.
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Surprised we have not heard or commented on this UPMC vaccine

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Pittsburg+University++covid+19+vaccine+research
 
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They still need human trials, which will take over a year.
 
4321lynx said:
bilby said:
DrZoidberg said:
Talked to intensive care doctors in Stockholm and Copenhagen today. So these are doctors at Karolinska and Bispebjerg. So Sweden's biggest hospital and Copenhagen's second biggest hospital.

They are bored with to little to do. According to the calculations the 12/4 should be the peak of patients coming in in Denmark. I don't know the date for Sweden, but they had less restrictions so should have had it a couple of days earlier.

The conclusion is that for Scandinavians the restrictions have been unnecessarily strict.

Worth noting is that the differences can be cultural. Scandinavians are very rule abiding and obedient. Italians are the opposite. It might explain the differences.

Almost everybody here takes the lockdown and social distancing more seriously than what we're told to. It's become a social virtue to take it extremely seriously. People are shamed for being social. It might help explain it.
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The absence of severe consequences from the virus isn't sufficient to conclude that the restrictions have been unnecessarily strict; Only that they were at least as strict as necessary.

They may or may not have been too strict, but that's very difficult to assess - and given the dire consequences of not being strict enough, it's probably better that they err on the side of caution.
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Surprised we have not heard or commented on this UPMC vaccine

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Pittsburg+University++covid+19+vaccine+research
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Lots of medicines "show promise" in vitrio or in animal studies, but turn out to be ineffective, or dangerous, or both, in humans.

There's a lot of research underway pursuing a vaccine. Whether any of it will result in an actual vaccine, and if it does, when it will become widely available, is a whole other question.

It's a bit early to get excited about this (or any of the other research), unless you are directly involved in vaccine research yourself.
 
bilby said:
DrZoidberg said:
Talked to intensive care doctors in Stockholm and Copenhagen today. So these are doctors at Karolinska and Bispebjerg. So Sweden's biggest hospital and Copenhagen's second biggest hospital.

They are bored with to little to do. According to the calculations the 12/4 should be the peak of patients coming in in Denmark. I don't know the date for Sweden, but they had less restrictions so should have had it a couple of days earlier.

The conclusion is that for Scandinavians the restrictions have been unnecessarily strict.

Worth noting is that the differences can be cultural. Scandinavians are very rule abiding and obedient. Italians are the opposite. It might explain the differences.

Almost everybody here takes the lockdown and social distancing more seriously than what we're told to. It's become a social virtue to take it extremely seriously. People are shamed for being social. It might help explain it.
Click to expand...

The absence of severe consequences from the virus isn't sufficient to conclude that the restrictions have been unnecessarily strict; Only that they were at least as strict as necessary.

They may or may not have been too strict, but that's very difficult to assess - and given the dire consequences of not being strict enough, it's probably better that they err on the side of caution.
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No. I think that's exactly what it means. Now Denmark will ease restrictions. Sweden will keep on doing what they have been doing all the time

BBC News - Coronavirus: Why Denmark is taking steps to open up again
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52226763
 
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