Pro-Lifer says, "Let them die if it costs me money"

[Rhea]

So _that's_ what "Pro-Life" means! It means, only if the people constrained are sexually active women.
But if "Pro-Life" harms people like me, and my wallet, then "let them die, and they'll be glad for the sacrifice!"

Rep. Trey Hollingsworth (R-IN) sat for an interview with a radio station in his home state on Tuesday. And he said that, as far as he is concerned, America should re-open again sooner rather than later. He described people dying as "the lesser of two evils" when compared to allowing the economy to collapse. He also said that when choosing between protecting American lives and protecting the American way of life, the latter should win out, as it always has won out.

 

[laughing dog]

Wow, what a complete asshole. But I am not surprised because in my experience, people who go by the name of "Trey" usually are.

And how exactly is choosing the economy over lives "protecting the American way of life"? I'd ask him, but then again, I'd get an answer.

 

[Patooka]

I'm not sure "Let them die if it costs me money" is entirely accurate. I'm pretty certain some pro-lifers would stop giving a fuck about abortions or lives in general if they didn't gain in a political manner either.

 

[Half-Life]

Poor choice of words, but he's not wrong.

For example, deaths via car accidents can stop if we stopped driving. Will we? No, people need to drive and make money! So, we say the car accident deaths are a trade off.

Deaths via cigarette smoking can stop if we banned cigarettes. Will we? No, people want to smoke and make money off the smokers. The Deaths are a trade off.

Deaths via diabetes and obesity can stop if we banned all candy and fast food. Will we? No, people want that stuff. The deaths are a trade off.

Se where I'm going with this?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Deaths via diabetes and obesity can stop if we banned all candy and fast food.

Speaking as a diabetic, you are talking out your ass, here.
But, obviously, your knowledge of diabetes is as shallow as your empathy.

 

[Half-Life]

Deaths via diabetes and obesity can stop if we banned all candy and fast food.

Speaking as a diabetic, you are talking out your ass, here.
But, obviously, your knowledge of diabetes is as shallow as your empathy.

Keith, I was talking about people who are not born with it, but acquire it later in life due to eating too much sugar and their pancreas stops working normally.

So, how long do you propose we keep the economy closed? How will people pay their bills without money? Enlighten us.

 

[Patooka]

Deaths via diabetes and obesity can stop if we banned all candy and fast food.

Speaking as a diabetic, you are talking out your ass, here.
But, obviously, your knowledge of diabetes is as shallow as your empathy.

Keith, I was talking about people who are not born with it, but acquire it later in life due to eating too much sugar and their pancreas stops working normally.

So, how long do you propose we keep the economy closed? How will people pay their bills without money? Enlighten us.

I'm just spitballing here, but maybe when virologists and medical experts say the quarantine measures should be lifted. Seriously, your credibility on this particular issue if terrible. Why should anyone take your arguments seriously?

Also, it appears you have to clarify your statements a lot. Some advice; before you post something ask yourself if you are going to revise what you say in under 24 hours. If yes, maybe just don't post anything. Glad I could help.

 

[Patooka]

Poor choice of words, but he's not wrong.

For example, deaths via car accidents can stop if we stopped driving. Will we? No, people need to drive and make money! So, we say the car accident deaths are a trade off.

Deaths via cigarette smoking can stop if we banned cigarettes. Will we? No, people want to smoke and make money off the smokers. The Deaths are a trade off.

Deaths via diabetes and obesity can stop if we banned all candy and fast food. Will we? No, people want that stuff. The deaths are a trade off.

Se where I'm going with this?

Yes, abortions are an acceptable trade off. I think this is the first time you and I are in complete agreement.

 

[TSwizzle]

That’s a moronic way of interpreting his words. But it suits you and your audience I suppose.

 

[Patooka]

That’s a moronic way of interpreting his words. But it suits you and your audience I suppose.

It's a moronic argument fullstop. In any situation. It's even more idiotic when it is used by people who pontificate about the sanctity of life, and then reduce life to a cost/benefit analysis. And I doubt I have much of an audience for my views. There are days when I believe abortions should be mandatory and the fucking dolphins should have a crack at running the planet. I know I'm in the minority with that belief.

 

[TSwizzle]

Except that’s not his argument (profit over lives) as well you know.

 

[Half-Life]

That’s a moronic way of interpreting his words. But it suits you and your audience I suppose.

It's a moronic argument fullstop. In any situation. It's even more idiotic when it is used by people who pontificate about the sanctity of life, and then reduce life to a cost/benefit analysis. And I doubt I have much of an audience for my views. There are days when I believe abortions should be mandatory and the fucking dolphins should have a crack at running the planet. I know I'm in the minority with that belief.

I've asked for a plan that explains how we can keep the economy closed for the foreseeable future AND have people come up with money to pay their bills. When people run out of money and they have to sit in their homes with no power, how will that work out?

Michigan is already protesting the stay at home orders. Stay at home....unless you work in a grocery store...then you can die for all we care. How's that a good plan for the workers?

 

[Ford]

Poor choice of words, but he's not wrong.

For example, deaths via car accidents can stop if we stopped driving. Will we? No, people need to drive and make money! So, we say the car accident deaths are a trade off.

Deaths via cigarette smoking can stop if we banned cigarettes. Will we? No, people want to smoke and make money off the smokers. The Deaths are a trade off.

Deaths via diabetes and obesity can stop if we banned all candy and fast food. Will we? No, people want that stuff. The deaths are a trade off.

Se where I'm going with this?

Yes, abortions are an acceptable trade off. I think this is the first time you and I are in complete agreement.

I disagree.

What Halfie's list ignores is the simple fact that the Covid 19 deaths are not the result of behavior.

The overwhelming majority of people who drive automobiles will never experience an accident of any kind. Ask anyone who worked in insurance claims, and they'll tell you that they've lost count of the number of people who were "never in an accident before."

Cigarette smoking is entirely voluntary.

If you develop type 2 diabetes through poor diet, that's a choice.

A virus is not something that is "punishment" for bad behavior. This particular pandemic can be (and is being) mitigated by good behavior designed to slow the spread, but you don't get a pass if you gather in a church service and pray really hard. The virus does not care about your bad habits, or your diet, or whether or not you're an irresponsible driver.

In addition to being a massive hypocrite ("pro-life," my ass), the representative also has no grasp of history. Our economy won't be "destroyed" if we continue social distancing/quarantines for a little longer in order to stave off this becoming an uncontrollable epidemic. We've been through worse. The Civil War. Both World Wars. The 1918 flu pandemic. The thing that nearly "destroyed" the economy was the series of events that led to the Great Depression, which were entirely the result of economic short-sightedness and poor economic policies. The "invisible hand" of the market failed...not the morality of individuals.

 

[Rhea]

Poor choice of words, but he's not wrong.

For example, deaths via car accidents can stop if we stopped driving. Will we? No, people need to drive and make money! So, we say the car accident deaths are a trade off.

Deaths via cigarette smoking can stop if we banned cigarettes. Will we? No, people want to smoke and make money off the smokers. The Deaths are a trade off.

Deaths via diabetes and obesity can stop if we banned all candy and fast food. Will we? No, people want that stuff. The deaths are a trade off.

Se where I'm going with this?

Yes, I do. You support abortion rights.

 

[Bronzeage]

Poor choice of words, but he's not wrong.

For example, deaths via car accidents can stop if we stopped driving. Will we? No, people need to drive and make money! So, we say the car accident deaths are a trade off.

Deaths via cigarette smoking can stop if we banned cigarettes. Will we? No, people want to smoke and make money off the smokers. The Deaths are a trade off.

Deaths via diabetes and obesity can stop if we banned all candy and fast food. Will we? No, people want that stuff. The deaths are a trade off.

Se where I'm going with this?

Yeah, straight into a wall.

But you might be driving a car equipped with seat belts and inflatable restraints, so you're likely to survive. Of course, all of that government required safety equipment comes at a cost. Add a thousand or more to the cost of a new car and save some lives, or at least crippling injuries which require expensive medical care.

Everything in life involves some kind of trade off between risk and benefits. I am always amazed to find someone who would trade one of their children's lives so the remaining siblings could have better shoes.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Deaths via diabetes and obesity can stop if we banned all candy and fast food.

Speaking as a diabetic, you are talking out your ass, here.
But, obviously, your knowledge of diabetes is as shallow as your empathy.

Keith, I was talking about people who are not born with it, but acquire it later in life due to eating too much sugar and their pancreas stops working normally.

nope, that's not what you said. And what you say here is not compatible with your earlier post. Like Trump, you just rewrite history and pretend you made no error..

So, how long do you propose we keep the economy closed? How will people pay their bills without money? Enlighten us.

Right now, a bunch of billionaires are begging for us to ho back to work. Obviously, they do not make their money. Workers do.
So, maybe a better stimulus thst pays the important people to survive, and we let trickle-up economics work.

 

[Keith&Co.]

I've asked for a plan that explains how we can keep the economy closed for the foreseeable future AND have people come up with money to pay their bills.

stop some of the bills, maybe?

 

[Patooka]

I've asked for a plan that explains how we can keep the economy closed for the foreseeable future AND have people come up with money to pay their bills.

Can't happen. The economy is going to take a hit because of this pandemic. However it will be a lot worse if you listen to fucking morons wanting to lift quarantine early so we'll be back at square one and four months of self isolation is completely wasted. But keep listening to snake oil salesmen, I'm grateful there's an ocean and a hemisphere separating the likes of you from me.

 

[Bronzeage]

I've asked for a plan that explains how we can keep the economy closed for the foreseeable future AND have people come up with money to pay their bills.

Can't happen. The economy is going to take a hit because of this pandemic. However it will be a lot worse if you listen to fucking morons wanting to lift quarantine early so we'll be back at square one and four months of self isolation is completely wasted. But keep listening to snake oil salesmen, I'm grateful there's an ocean and a hemisphere separating the likes of you from me.

When the Black Plague hit Europe sometime around 1350, more than 200million people were dead. When it finally bottomed out, the population had been reduced to the levels of around 1080. There were two immediate economic results. First, a lot of property was concentrated in fewer people due to the fact whoever was still alive, inherited everything. Second, there was a labor shortage. This meant a lot of capital to invest and higher wages.

I feared those who want to lift the lock down to restore the economy are actually trying to reproduce this scenario, but then I realized none of them know a fucking thing about history or economics.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Deaths via diabetes and obesity can stop if we banned all candy and fast food.

Speaking as a diabetic, you are talking out your ass, here.
But, obviously, your knowledge of diabetes is as shallow as your empathy.

It isn't his knowledge of diabetes, it's his knowledge of everything.