The Virus - Are You Affected?

[Copernicus]

The majority of people who are still being hospitalized with the coronavirus across the state of New York are staying at home and are not essential workers, new data has revealed, prompting the questions of whether or not lockdown even works or for how much longer it will be necessary. In a study of some 1,000 new patients admitted to New York hospitals over the last week, 66 percent were staying at home and 18 percent had come from nursing homes, meaning they either became infected by going out to get groceries or other essential items, or from seeing people outside of work.

Of all the new hospitalizations, 73 percent were over the age of 51. The worst affected group were people aged 61 to 70 who accounted for 20 percent of the hospitalizations. Almost all of them - 96 percent - had underlying conditions. Most cases were in Manhattan, with 21 percent coming from there, but almost as many - 18 percent - were in Long Island.

Cuomo said that while it shows the number of new infections is being caused by 'personal behavior' and not the lockdown, the stay-at-home order had generally thwarted the virus enough that it still a good overarching plan.

DailyMail

The "lockdown" is a farce, mere theater similar to the security checks at airports.

Even your own clip from the tabloid UK Daily Mail does not support your position. If people being hospitalized had been staying at home, that means that they were not as likely to contaminate other people in the community. You keep thinking of the reason for the lockdown being to keep you from getting sick, but it is also to keep other people from getting sick. A lot of the infected population is not going to be hospitalized, so it stands to reason that most being admitted to hospitals are the older people with underlying conditions. Even more of those would have sought hospitalization, if more had been exposed to the younger, healthier infected population.

Lockdowns make perfect sense, and the only safe way to end them is through a massive program of testing. Unfortunately, Donald Trump still refuses to force US industry to produce an adequate number of tests for such a program. Trump's own medical professionals say that there must be about three times the number of daily tests being done in order to beat back the epidemic, and that can't happen without federal leadership. So the lockdowns will continue, be lifted, be continued again, etc. There will be more waves of this epidemic causing more economic and social hardship.

 

[Rhea]

JFC people get some fucking hobbies, or buy a playstation or something. the total inability of most humans to be alone with themselves that has been on display is truly astonishing.

What hobbies are going to generate enough income to pay the rent and buy the food ?

Learning to sew masks.

 

[TSwizzle]

You keep thinking of the reason for the lockdown being to keep you from getting sick.

That's not what I think and I've certainly never said that.

 

[Rhea]

Of all the new hospitalizations, 73 percent were over the age of 51. The worst affected group were people aged 61 to 70 who accounted for 20 percent of the hospitalizations. Almost all of them - 96 percent - had underlying conditions. Most cases were in Manhattan, with 21 percent coming from there, but almost as many - 18 percent - were in Long Island.

Cuomo said that while it shows the number of new infections is being caused by 'personal behavior' and not the lockdown, the stay-at-home order had generally thwarted the virus enough that it still a good overarching plan.

DailyMail

The "lockdown" is a farce, mere theater similar to the security checks at airports.

You say that as if having an underlying condition means = was about to die anyway.


But millions of people with asthma live with it successfully for many decades. Branch Covidians deciding to infect them with something that is deadly to them is pretty monstrous.

 

[Emily Lake]

Here's a good epidemiology primer of sorts, well written in lay-person language. It's got some excellent simulations embedded in it, which are interactive and you can change the assumptions. It goes through the effects of different types of interventions on Covid - how much effect lockdowns have, versus contact tracing, versus masks, and combinations of them all.

What Happens Next? COVID-19 Futures, Explained With Playable Simulations

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Where is the MAGA remediation?

 

[ZiprHead]

Gun-waving SUV driver crashes parade celebrating nurses

Why isn't this terrorism?

 

[TSwizzle]

Branch Covidians deciding to infect them with something that is deadly to them is pretty monstrous.

Hilarious.

 

[Rhea]

Going back to the OP, just got word today that there was a COVID death in my mother’s nursing home. So, that puts one on edge a bit.

 

[TSwizzle]

Going back to the OP, just got word today that there was a COVID death in my mother’s nursing home. So, that puts one on edge a bit.

You’re mother probably has < 50% chance of not catching it. Her chances would be better if the home had caught fire. How on earth are nursing homes still getting it ?

I read a report that a nursing home on the Isle of Skye had something like 35 residents and staff and most of them had it.

Lockdowns don’t work the way you think or hope they do.

 

[DrZoidberg]

The majority of people who are still being hospitalized with the coronavirus across the state of New York are staying at home and are not essential workers, new data has revealed, prompting the questions of whether or not lockdown even works or for how much longer it will be necessary. In a study of some 1,000 new patients admitted to New York hospitals over the last week, 66 percent were staying at home and 18 percent had come from nursing homes, meaning they either became infected by going out to get groceries or other essential items, or from seeing people outside of work.

Of all the new hospitalizations, 73 percent were over the age of 51. The worst affected group were people aged 61 to 70 who accounted for 20 percent of the hospitalizations. Almost all of them - 96 percent - had underlying conditions. Most cases were in Manhattan, with 21 percent coming from there, but almost as many - 18 percent - were in Long Island.

Cuomo said that while it shows the number of new infections is being caused by 'personal behavior' and not the lockdown, the stay-at-home order had generally thwarted the virus enough that it still a good overarching plan.

DailyMail

The "lockdown" is a farce, mere theater similar to the security checks at airports.

The Daily Mail is a tabloid. Their entire existence is based on spinning facts out of context and distort statistics to create outrage.

It's not theatre. Early on we thought we didn't need to fear Covid-19. Then Italy suggested that we in fact do need to fear Covid-19. Then it was revealed that Italy, is special somehow (we're still not sure how) and we didn't need to be quite as afraid as we were. Right now our social distancing are more extreme than what is necessary. But taking the foot completely off the break will lead to a disaster. All the experts agree on that. The question isn't if we should take the food off the break, but how much we can ease up on restrictions. It will be different from country to country, based on climate, culture, population density etc.

 

[Ford]

Going back to the OP, just got word today that there was a COVID death in my mother’s nursing home. So, that puts one on edge a bit.

Going back to the OP as well, I work for a grocery store chain, so I'm one of those "putting my life on the line for a paycheck" people.

The pay sucks, but I got the job just before the Covid-shit hit the fan, so I'm fortunate to be employed. I don't consider myself to be any sort of "hero" for showing up to work, but I have to consider that there is a chance - albeit small - that one of the customers I interact with on a regular basis will be carrying the disease that could kill me.

Something that has popped into my head over the last couple days as I watch the debate between "we need to save lives" and "we need to open the economy" is that there's a grim false dichotomy to consider:

Both choices are bad. No, we can't continue to have the economy on lock down. No, we can't sacrifice lives to open the economy up. While folks are bitching about running out of Netflix shows to binge and others are wondering how they're going to pay the rent that was due a week ago, the truth is that this is going to get a lot worse before it gets even a little better. We're facing an unacceptable death toll AND an unacceptable economic impact and even if we were to say "fuck it, grandma has to die so I can get a haircut" and open the economy tomorrow, it will take a decade to fully recover.

The shitty job I have at the store where I risk infection? That might be the best I have for awhile, and if I can keep it, I'll be better off than millions of others. My elderly mother and at-risk siblings are still healthy, and that's better than hundreds of thousands can say.

Hold onto your hats, folks.

 

[ZiprHead]

Shooting at OKC McDonald’s over COVID-19 dining room policy leaves 3 injured

Oklahoma City police say original reports indicated there were two suspects, however, it was later determined to be only one suspect.

One employee was hit in the arm, a second was hit with shrapnel in the neck/shoulder and a third employee was hit with shrapnel in the side. Two of the employees are 16 years old, according to police. They were all taken to the hospital and are expected to be OK.

Oklahoma City police say the woman became agitated when told the restaurant’s dining rooms were closed due to COVID-19.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Going back to the OP, just got word today that there was a COVID death in my mother’s nursing home. So, that puts one on edge a bit.

Going back to the OP as well, I work for a grocery store chain, so I'm one of those "putting my life on the line for a paycheck" people.

The pay sucks, but I got the job just before the Covid-shit hit the fan, so I'm fortunate to be employed. I don't consider myself to be any sort of "hero" for showing up to work, but I have to consider that there is a chance - albeit small - that one of the customers I interact with on a regular basis will be carrying the disease that could kill me.

Something that has popped into my head over the last couple days as I watch the debate between "we need to save lives" and "we need to open the economy" is that there's a grim false dichotomy to consider:

Both choices are bad. No, we can't continue to have the economy on lock down. No, we can't sacrifice lives to open the economy up. While folks are bitching about running out of Netflix shows to binge and others are wondering how they're going to pay the rent that was due a week ago, the truth is that this is going to get a lot worse before it gets even a little better. We're facing an unacceptable death toll AND an unacceptable economic impact and even if we were to say "fuck it, grandma has to die so I can get a haircut" and open the economy tomorrow, it will take a decade to fully recover.

This really is my biggest problem with DC. The solution was to have DC pay the nation's payroll. This keeps everyone paid, the states keep their revenue, people are employed. This whole, piecemeal solution has failed utterly, while costing a fortune. I mean, what is the point of spending $3 trillion in new deficit spending, if you still end up with 30 million unemployed? Where in the fuck is the logic in that?!

The GDP is about $400 billion a week. Had the US just paid that, it'd been $2.4 trillion over 6 weeks.

So DC failed in addressing this. And people are going to refuse to wear masks outside. Well, first we need to actually have enough masks to begin with. In order to open, we need to be able to test and provide PPE. Otherwise, while we aren't seeing 25% daily growth, we are probably at least 10%, which means doubling of cases in a week. And sadly, this doesn't necessarily affect the stupid as much as the people that intersect with them.

 

[TSwizzle]

The Daily Mail is a tabloid. Their entire existence is based on spinning facts out of context and distort statistics to create outrage.

Which the MSM has being doing in spades.

Right now our social distancing are more extreme than what is necessary. But taking the foot completely off the break will lead to a disaster. All the experts agree on that.

I'm not advocating "taking the foot completely off the brake". I've said it enough times.

All the experts agree on that.

Experts like the charlatan Neil Ferguson ? Experts are not infallible and should be held to account.

 

[Angry Floof]

Which the MSM has being doing in spades.



I'm not advocating "taking the foot completely off the brake". I've said it enough times.

All the experts agree on that.

Experts like the charlatan Neil Ferguson ? Experts are not infallible and should be held to account.

Just curious. How do you determine what's fake news, skewed, spin, etc., or fact based?

 

[TV and credit cards]

It takes a hell of a long time to get a death certificate these days. I don't think 4-6 weeks is normal. And it's affecting me six ways to Sunday.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

The majority of people who are still being hospitalized with the coronavirus across the state of New York are staying at home and are not essential workers, new data has revealed, prompting the questions of whether or not lockdown even works or for how much longer it will be necessary. In a study of some 1,000 new patients admitted to New York hospitals over the last week, 66 percent were staying at home and 18 percent had come from nursing homes, meaning they either became infected by going out to get groceries or other essential items, or from seeing people outside of work.

Of all the new hospitalizations, 73 percent were over the age of 51. The worst affected group were people aged 61 to 70 who accounted for 20 percent of the hospitalizations. Almost all of them - 96 percent - had underlying conditions. Most cases were in Manhattan, with 21 percent coming from there, but almost as many - 18 percent - were in Long Island.

Cuomo said that while it shows the number of new infections is being caused by 'personal behavior' and not the lockdown, the stay-at-home order had generally thwarted the virus enough that it still a good overarching plan.

DailyMail

The "lockdown" is a farce, mere theater similar to the security checks at airports.

It's hard to shoot yourself in the foot when your foot is in your mouth but you succeeded despite all reservations. Sarcasm perhaps?

 

[Keith&Co.]

So, read in quite a few places how COSTCO seems to be a lightning rod for the Covid deniers. Lots of stress for people dealing with angry customers, screaming in their face, on the phone, on the company's socisl media.
Looks like an opportunity for any military vets out of work right now. Maybe not the religious lay people, or anyone who dealt with the public a lot...
But i, for one, was called some pretty horrible things when i did WELL. They can forward those calls to my phone.
"Seriously? 'Fucker' seventeen times? That's all you got, you incontinent, pessary-eating, cockwomble? My kid swears worse when his juice box is lukewarm."

Or nerds. "Yes, yes. Let the hate flow thru you."

 

[J842P]

Going back to the OP, just got word today that there was a COVID death in my mother’s nursing home. So, that puts one on edge a bit.

Going back to the OP as well, I work for a grocery store chain, so I'm one of those "putting my life on the line for a paycheck" people.

The pay sucks, but I got the job just before the Covid-shit hit the fan, so I'm fortunate to be employed. I don't consider myself to be any sort of "hero" for showing up to work, but I have to consider that there is a chance - albeit small - that one of the customers I interact with on a regular basis will be carrying the disease that could kill me.

Something that has popped into my head over the last couple days as I watch the debate between "we need to save lives" and "we need to open the economy" is that there's a grim false dichotomy to consider:

Both choices are bad. No, we can't continue to have the economy on lock down. No, we can't sacrifice lives to open the economy up. While folks are bitching about running out of Netflix shows to binge and others are wondering how they're going to pay the rent that was due a week ago, the truth is that this is going to get a lot worse before it gets even a little better. We're facing an unacceptable death toll AND an unacceptable economic impact and even if we were to say "fuck it, grandma has to die so I can get a haircut" and open the economy tomorrow, it will take a decade to fully recover.

The shitty job I have at the store where I risk infection? That might be the best I have for awhile, and if I can keep it, I'll be better off than millions of others. My elderly mother and at-risk siblings are still healthy, and that's better than hundreds of thousands can say.

Hold onto your hats, folks.

This is only going to deepen inequality, too. A lot of my friends in tech are sort of bummed that when they switch to their next job, they will only be able to demand 30K more, not 50K, over their already comfortable 6-figure salary.