Forgery suspect killed by cop restricting his airway

[ZiprHead]

Former MPD Officer Derek Chauvin Has Been Taken Into Custody In George Floyd’s Death

Fired Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin has been arrested days after George Floyd’s fatal arrest that sparked protests, rioting and outcry across the city and nation.

On Friday, John Harrington, commissioner of the Minnesota Department of Public Safety, announced that Chauvin has been taken into custody in connection with the May 25 death.

Chauvin is the former officer in the video seen around the world with his knee on Floyd’s neck. He’d been with Minneapolis police for 19 years.

It was not immediately clear what the expected charges Chauvin could face are. Answers will likely be provided by Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman, as he has scheduled a press conference at 1 p.m. concerning a “major development” in the case.

 

[ruby sparks]

Uh, close one, I thought you were going to say they were Russians.

I have a number of long time friends who live in Minneapolis. One of them actually witnessed the guy with the umbrella smashing windows. This is someone I trust to be a truthful reporter.

There is evidence this person is a St. Paul police officer.

Details?

It certainly looks odd and suspicious. But we shouldn’t jump to conclusions.

 

[laughing dog]

I’ve heard that. I’ve also heard it was someone from out of the area. The person moved with discipline and purpose, not out of control at all.

Just becsuse he was white and moved with "discipline and purpose" does not mean he wasn't local and it certainly doesn't mean he wasn't an antifa or otherwise a #BLM supporter.

True - also doesn't mean he wasn't a police groupie, or white supremacists or some other sort of racist asshat.

 

[Toni]

I’ve heard that. I’ve also heard it was someone from out of the area. The person moved with discipline and purpose, not out of control at all.

Just becsuse he was white and moved with "discipline and purpose" does not mean he wasn't local and it certainly doesn't mean he wasn't an antifa or otherwise a #BLM supporter.

It was only an observation. The video seemed to show someone deliberately attempting to escalate the situation and provoke violence. There were other white men dressed in all black with gas masks to obscure their faces doing similar things. I only posted a link to an incident witnessed by someone I’ve known for a very long time and trust.


People I trust who are not prone to spreading rumors or conspiracy theories are saying Proud Boi from OR and some say police officers.

This is not thr first time that agitators have been sent into a protest to incite violence at otherwise peaceful protests.

 

[ruby sparks]

The death of the mentally ill Dallas guy shows that these sad instances are not necessarily about racism at all.

Which is kind of obvious anyway.

I do think that if it’s a black victim and a white cop the media and others often do apply ready-made tropes.

But that’s how the media often works, generally speaking, about most topics, imo. In a way it’s lazy. It’s also potentially unhelpful, possibly even dangerous.

And as for social media, that’s even worse.

 

[ruby sparks]

Former MPD Officer Derek Chauvin Has Been Taken Into Custody In George Floyd’s Death

Fired Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin has been arrested days after George Floyd’s fatal arrest that sparked protests, rioting and outcry across the city and nation.

On Friday, John Harrington, commissioner of the Minnesota Department of Public Safety, announced that Chauvin has been taken into custody in connection with the May 25 death.

Chauvin is the former officer in the video seen around the world with his knee on Floyd’s neck. He’d been with Minneapolis police for 19 years.

It was not immediately clear what the expected charges Chauvin could face are. Answers will likely be provided by Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman, as he has scheduled a press conference at 1 p.m. concerning a “major development” in the case.

Good, imo.

One might hope that this news might defuse the tensions in the community somewhat at least.

 

[Deepak]

The death of the mentally ill Dallas guy shows that these sad instances are not necessarily about racism at all.

Which is kind of obvious anyway.

I do think that if it’s a black victim and a white cop the media and others often do apply ready-made tropes.

But that’s how the media often works, generally speaking, about most topics, imo. In a way it’s lazy. It’s also potentially unhelpful, possibly even dangerous.

And as for social media, that’s even worse.

I'll be the first to tell you that the police here are out of control. But it's not accurate to say that this is some fabrication of the media.

Race plays a factor because the pattern of policing came from Jim Crow. A curious thing you'll find is that countries that have extremely powerful militarized police forces is that when the regime applied force indiscriminately, and then that country develops into a free society that people will want to scrutinize police use of force against the citizenry. When the history is to apply force discriminately, then the laws and power-structures must exist to punish the right group and not punish the wrong group. It's the convergence of criminal justice and a proxy war - and the reality is that most people don't really give a shit about the humane treatment of suspects or criminals.

It's why you get the same autonomic responses from the racists conservatives. You don't see any threads on those cases because they're simply props to be held up to call the other side racists - because that's how fascists use language.

 

[TSwizzle]

Hmmm, Chauvin has been charged with murder. Seems a bit premature without an autopsy stating the cause of death.

 

[Deepak]

Did you suffer anoxia as a child? You speak by expelling air in the lungs.

Let me step on your neck and I'll show you how someone can choke you into unconsciousness while you beg for help.

Pressure won't block air in only one direction. If you can exhale you can inhale.

I still think this is a case of the officer simply trying to inflict a bit of pain. The guy was complaining and the cop probably applied more pressure--stopping the complaints because it really did compress the airway. Negligent homicide, but you'll have to find a felony somehow to get felony murder because I certainly don't think he intended to kill.

Reaching pretty far back in the thread, but I'm not going to let this pass. People don't breath spherical cows through idealized tubes.

Your unsupported assertion is wrong, not supported by any medical literature, and even American police forces (which were dragged kicking and screaming) finally accepted its wrongness.

PM me your address and I'll gladly step on your neck. What do you have to lose? If you have trouble breathing then you can simply ask me to stop before your airway hermetically seals, since at any point prior to such a seal forming you must be able to speak.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The police action of kneeling on the neck of someone who is handcuffed and on the ground and pleading for breath is inexcusable, as is the looting by protestors in reaction. There are better ways to protest.

Just learned from a friend in the city: Videos of people dressed in black, wearing respirator type masks, etc. are white men from out of state/Portland, OR (or at least one) proud boys. So, outside agitators are at least adding to the destruction deliberately.

Trump is threatening to send in the military so conspiracy theorist that I am, I figure it's his crew that's sending in the outside agitators....

I have long suspected that the black bloc people are actually a right wing shadow group. They seem to have more resources than I would expect, that suggests someone is funding them. And who stands to benefit from their actions? (Note that they might not know who their puppet masters are.)

 

[ruby sparks]

The death of the mentally ill Dallas guy shows that these sad instances are not necessarily about racism at all.

Which is kind of obvious anyway.

I do think that if it’s a black victim and a white cop the media and others often do apply ready-made tropes.

But that’s how the media often works, generally speaking, about most topics, imo. In a way it’s lazy. It’s also potentially unhelpful, possibly even dangerous.

And as for social media, that’s even worse.

I'll be the first to tell you that the police here are out of control. But it's not accurate to say that this is some fabrication of the media.

Race plays a factor because the pattern of policing came from Jim Crow. A curious thing you'll find is that countries that have extremely powerful militarized police forces is that when the regime applied force indiscriminately, and then that country develops into a free society that people will want to scrutinize police use of force against the citizenry. When the history is to apply force discriminately, then the laws and power-structures must exist to punish the right group and not punish the wrong group. It's the convergence of criminal justice and a proxy war - and the reality is that most people don't really give a shit about the humane treatment of suspects or criminals.

It's why you get the same autonomic responses from the racists conservatives. You don't see any threads on those cases because they're simply props to be held up to call the other side racists - because that's how fascists use language.

I’m sure you are right, and I am definitely not saying there aren’t structurally racist issues, because it seems to me there definitely are, including for the reasons you offer.

And such things can either be overstated or understated, neither of which is helpful.

But my main feeling is that it is arguably unwise to more or less automatically apply general issues to a specific case unless there is some particular reason. By which I mean racism.

What the two cases (the OP one and the mentally ill dallas man one) seem to have in common are what I would call poor standards of police actions. And I would say the same about many of the other instances I have seen over the years.

But even then, the sample I am viewing is very skewed towards ‘newsworthy incidents’ and we all know that bad news makes for better headlines. So given that I am so far away, I would shy away from damning US police in any blanket way, even though I have formed the general impression that there are issues. But then the context is different. They face higher risks than British police.

 

[ruby sparks]

Hmmm, Chauvin has been charged with murder. Seems a bit premature without an autopsy stating the cause of death.

I tend to agree. There again I do not know how unusual that is. Perhaps having arrested him, they only have a limited time to either charge or release?

 

[Derec]

I have long suspected that the black bloc people are actually a right wing shadow group. They seem to have more resources than I would expect, that suggests someone is funding them.

That's not a reason to suspect that they are right-wing. There is a lot of money on the far left. 99% of Hollywood. Billionaires like Tom Steyer and George Soros. Soros in particular is well known for funding left-wing causes.

And who stands to benefit from their actions? (Note that they might not know who their puppet masters are.)

One could apply that line of reasoning to any extremist group. Timothy McVeigh must have been a Leftist puppet. Hezbollah is either run by the Joos or else by Sunnis. Mao was a CIA operative. And so on ...

 

[Derec]

I tend to agree. There again I do not know how unusual that is.

The DA admitted in the press conference that this is the fastest that a police officer has been charged. I suspect the decision to arrest and charge is political to appease the mob.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Hmmm, Chauvin has been charged with murder. Seems a bit premature without an autopsy stating the cause of death.

I tend to agree. There again I do not know how unusual that is. Perhaps having arrested him, they only have a limited time to either charge or release?

Are you two expecting erotic asphyxiation?

 

[Derec]

Reaching pretty far back in the thread, but I'm not going to let this pass. People don't breath spherical cows through idealized tubes.

Especially spherical cows in vacuum.

Your unsupported assertion is wrong, not supported by any medical literature, and even American police forces (which were dragged kicking and screaming) finally accepted its wrongness.

Do you have any evidence for your claim that Loren's assertion about unidirectional airway blockage is wrong?

 

[Derec]

I'll be the first to tell you that the police here are out of control. But it's not accurate to say that this is some fabrication of the media.

Can you back that up?

Race plays a factor because the pattern of policing came from Jim Crow.

"Jim Crow" is a southern thing. MA is very far north.

- because that's how fascists use language.

Sure Jan. Everybody who disagrees with you is a "fascist" ...

 

[ruby sparks]

Hmmm, Chauvin has been charged with murder. Seems a bit premature without an autopsy stating the cause of death.

I tend to agree. There again I do not know how unusual that is. Perhaps having arrested him, they only have a limited time to either charge or release?

Are you two expecting erotic asphyxiation?

I said at the start like it looked like the police killed him and I’d stick with that assessment until I hear something different.

Even if the unacceptable and unreasonable police action merely contributed to his death (he did seem to be under the influence of something) then I would expect that charges of some sort would still stick.

I cannot see the policeman getting off scot free, no matter what an autopsy says. That would seem to be almost out of the question, given what we clearly saw happen.

 

[Derec]

Good, imo.

One might hope that this news might defuse the tensions in the community somewhat at least.

That's the problem though. IFF the charge was brought because of weight of evidence, that would be fine. But I think it was brought solely to appease the arsonists, the looters etc.
Especially since the autopsy found "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

 

[ruby sparks]

Good, imo.

One might hope that this news might defuse the tensions in the community somewhat at least.

That's the problem though. IFF the charge was brought because of weight of evidence, that would be fine. But I think it was brought solely to appease the arsonists, the looters etc.
Especially since the autopsy found "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

I’m sorry Derec but imo you’ve been talking so much outrageous shite that I’m not inclined to feel it’s worth discussing this with you personally because your views seem to be really badly skewed.

There have been many times I’ve agreed you had at least a partial point, but this is definitely not one of them. I think you’ve been a disgrace. An unfortunate and for all intents and purposes innocent man has needlessly died in horrible circumstances and all you can do is whine about stuff like BLM. It stinks.