Forgery suspect killed by cop restricting his airway

[Derec]

I cannot see the policeman getting off scot free, no matter what an autopsy says.

Who needs evidence when you have a scapegoat.

I guess what the mob wants is this judge to run the trial.

 

[Arctish]

8 notable details in the criminal complaint against ex-Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin

8 minutes and 46 seconds.

That's how long Derek Chauvin held his knee on George Floyd's neck, as alleged by the Hennepin County Attorney's Office criminal complaint against the former Minneapolis police officer.
"The defendant had his knee on Mr. Floyd's neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds in total.
Two minutes and 53 seconds of this was after Mr. Floyd was non-responsive."

The following are passages taken directly from the complaint:
-- It says the initial police call was over a counterfeit $20 bill: "On May 25, 2020, someone called 911 and reported that a man bought merchandise from Cup Foods at 3759 Chicago Avenue in Minneapolis, Hennepin County, Minnesota with a counterfeit $20 bill."
-- The document says Floyd was non-compliant: "Mr. Floyd did not voluntarily get in the car and struggled with the officers by intentionally falling down, saying he was not going in the car, and refusing to stand still."
-- It specifies how Chauvin knelt on Floyd: "The defendant placed his left knee in the area of Mr. Floyd's head and neck."
-- It notes that such restraint is dangerous: "Police are trained that this type of restraint with a subject in a prone position is inherently dangerous."
-- It documents what Floyd said: "Mr. Floyd said, "I can't breathe" multiple times and repeatedly said, "Mama" and "please," as well. The defendant and the other two officers stayed in their positions."
-- It says Floyd had underlying health issues: "The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease."
-- It says three factors contributed to this death: "The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death."

Also:

The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd's autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.

I know some folks will think the preliminary autopsy findings "prove" that the kneeling on Floyd's neck didn't cause his death, that he died of underlying health conditions. But it doesn't, not unless those conditions would have been fatal right then and there without the stress and trauma of being pinned on the ground with a police officer kneeling on his neck for almost 9 minutes.

It looks like the manslaughter charge is pretty well supported.

 

[Derec]

I’m sorry Derec but imo you’ve been talking so much outrageous shite that I’m not inclined to feel it’s worth discussing this with you personally because your views seem to be really badly skewed.

In other words, you got nothing.

In a civilized society, we should not hold anybody criminally liable just because politicians demand it or an angry mob is burning down the city. In a civilized society there are such things as need for evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[TSwizzle]

Especially since the autopsy found "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

The medical examiner found no evidence that Floyd died from traumatic asphyxia or strangulation, the complaint said.

Instead, Floyd had coronary artery and hypertensive heart disease and, “the combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death," according to the complaint.

A good defense lawyer could probably get Chauvin off of a murder charge but he will likely be found culpable for manslaughter. Depends on the toxicology I suppose. Still a long way to go yet.

 

[Derec]

I know some folks will think the preliminary autopsy findings "prove" that the kneeling on Floyd's neck didn't cause his death, that he died of underlying health conditions. But it doesn't, not unless those conditions would have been fatal right then and there

If he was tased or restrained in a more textbook fashion, he probably still would have died, because what killed him wasn't an airway restriction (as claimed in the thread title) or positional asphyxia, but rather his own poor health and agitation from getting arrested and restrained. Possibly exacerbated by alcohol or drug intoxication, as the 911 caller described him as being under the influence of something.

Any competent lawyer should be able to make Swiss cheese out of the prosecution case unless some other damning evidence comes to light.

 

[Arctish]

I know some folks will think the preliminary autopsy findings "prove" that the kneeling on Floyd's neck didn't cause his death, that he died of underlying health conditions. But it doesn't, not unless those conditions would have been fatal right then and there without the stress and trauma of being pinned on the ground with a police officer kneeling on his neck for almost 9 minutes

If he was tased or restrained in a more textbook fashion, he probably still would have died, because what killed him wasn't an airway restriction (as claimed in the thread title) or positional asphyxia, but rather his own poor health. Possibly exacerbated by alcohol or drug intoxication, as the 911 caller described him as being under the influence of something.

Any competent lawyer should be able to make Swiss cheese out of the prosecution case unless some other damning evidence comes to light.

Did you miss the part where Chauvin continued kneeling on Floyd's neck for 2 minutes and 53 seconds after Floyd became completely non-responsive?

Did you not notice Floyd wasn't fighting the police in the video of the incident posted earlier?

Do you need a link to the Minnesota state law definition of manslaughter to understand why Chauvin is being charged with that crime?

 

[ruby sparks]

I’m sorry Derec but imo you’ve been talking so much outrageous shite that I’m not inclined to feel it’s worth discussing this with you personally because your views seem to be really badly skewed.

In other words, you got nothing.

In a civilized society, we should not hold anybody criminally liable just because politicians demand it or an angry mob is burning down the city. In a civilized society there are such things as need for evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

Blah blah blah, derec. Blah blah blah.

Imo your posts in this thread have been despicable and pathetic. Let’s just leave it at that.

 

[Derec]

Blah blah blah, derec. Blah blah blah.

Well, I've been shown! LMAO!

 

[Derec]

So now the idiots are fighting with police in Atlanta. I hope Atlanta leadership is more competent than Minneapolis one and nips this shit in the bud rather than "giving those who wish to destroy space to do that" (to quote former mayor of Baltimore).

What are they protesting for today anyway? The guy has been charged. Learn to take "yes" for an answer!

I wonder how many people will contract Corona during these riots and protests. Most seem to be wearing masks, but those are still huge crowds and they spend a lot of time in close proximity to many potential spreaders.

 

[Derec]

It was only an observation. The video seemed to show someone deliberately attempting to escalate the situation and provoke violence. There were other white men dressed in all black with gas masks to obscure their faces doing similar things.

Them wearing umbrellas and masks is a reference to the Hong Kong protests.


Love in a time of tear gas: Politics and romance on Hong Kong's barricades

Them being white says nothing, as there are many white people in the far left scene.

I only posted a link to an incident witnessed by someone I’ve known for a very long time and trust.

They are still WAGing (aka wild-ass guessing) as to the identity of the window-breaker.

People I trust who are not prone to spreading rumors or conspiracy theories are saying Proud Boi from OR and some say police officers.

What evidence do they have that they are from Oregon? And even if they were, there are more Antifas in Oregon than Proud Bois.

This is not thr first time that agitators have been sent into a protest to incite violence at otherwise peaceful protests.

But this wasn't an otherwise peaceful protest. Or do you want to say all those that looted the Target and burned down the Walmart are also Proud Bois from Portlandia?

 

[laughing dog]

I tend to agree. There again I do not know how unusual that is.

The DA admitted in the press conference that this is the fastest that a police officer has been charged. I suspect the decision to arrest and charge is political to appease the mob.

Riiiight, because there is absolutely no evidence this police officer committed any sort of crime whatsoever.

I strongly suspect that crowd control was a motivating factor. And so what? Charges can be reduced or dropped. If this helps stabilize the situation and reduces loss of life, harm and damage, then it is a good thing. Mr. Chauvin's career as a police officer was already toast.

Mr. Chauvin lost his job, and helped 3 others lose their jobs. He embarrassed his department and worsened an already tense situation in the area. He embarrassed police all of the US with his callous brutality.

 

[Derec]

Colin Kaepernick is supporting Minneapolis looters, rioters and arsonists so much, he is offering to pay off their legal bills.

Colin Kaepernick Offers to Pay for Lawyers for People Protesting in Minneapolis

This guy has always been an anti-police extremist. I have no idea why so many people like him.

 

[Derec]

Riiiight, because there is absolutely no evidence this police officer committed any sort of crime whatsoever.

I haven't seen any evidence for murder.

I strongly suspect that crowd control was a motivating factor. And so what?

Because caving to a mob pressure is antithetical to the whole basis of the justice system.

Charging somebody with a crime because an angry mob demands it is no better in this case than it is when a black man is accused (by an angry mob) of raping a white woman.

 

[Arctish]

Colin Kaepernick is supporting Minneapolis looters, rioters and arsonists so much, he is offering to pay off their legal bills.

Colin Kaepernick Offers to Pay for Lawyers for People Protesting in Minneapolis

This guy has always been an anti-police extremist. I have no idea why so many people like him.

Did you read the full article you linked? I can't read it all without subscribing. Does it say anything about looters, rioters and arsonists?

The opening sentence indicates the fund is for people engaged in protests against police brutality.

The new Know Your Rights Camp Legal Defense Initiative will pay for legal assistance for people protesting in the Minneapolis area, its website said.

Given Kaepernick's well known stance on that issue, are you actually surprised he'd be supportive of them and their cause? Or are you just counter-protesting?

 

[repoman]

This is arrested pawn shop owner

https://heavy.com/news/2020/05/john-rieple/

Being in business promotion with all of those "nigga nigga nigga" rappers may help him.

 

[Arctish]

Well here's an interesting twist: George Floyd and Derek Chauvin Were Once Co-Workers, Ex-Club Owner Tells TV Station

George Floyd and Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter in Floyd's death, worked together at a Minneapolis club as recently as last year, according to a report from local television station KSTP.

Maya Santamaria, former owner of El Nuevo Rodeo, said that both Floyd and Chauvin worked security at the club. She said that the two could have crossed paths, though Chauvin mostly worked outside as an off-duty officer, while Floyd primarily was inside as a bouncer. She wasn't sure if they knew each other.

 

[Toni]

"Jim Crow" is a southern thing. MA is very far north.

So is Minnesota.

 

[laughing dog]

Riiiight, because there is absolutely no evidence this police officer committed any sort of crime whatsoever.

I haven't seen any evidence for murder.

That would require you first to pend your eyes. I wrote "crime" not murder.

Because caving to a mob pressure is antithetical to the whole basis of the justice system.

There is sufficient evidence that Mr. Chauvin committed a crime. It is not as if he did nothing. As I wrote (and you omitted), the charges can be reduced if more relevant information is forthcoming.

Charging somebody with a crime because an angry mob demands it is no better in this case than it is when a black man is accused (by an angry mob) of raping a white woman.

Clearly, you have not read To Kill a Mockingbird or even watch the movie because your allusion is based on ignorance. Tom Robinson was charged because in the South at that time, the word of a white man (not a mob) was sufficient to find a black person guilty.

 

[DBT]

Doesn't matter who he was or what he had done, kneeling on the neck of a handcuffed man face down on the ground should not be done by the police.

 

[J842P]

Fairly similar case

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/you-re-gonna-kill-me-dallas-police-body-cam-footage-reveals-the-final-minutes-of-tony-timpa-s-life/



I think this guy who died was a mentally ill son of a rich family. So there was an different dynamic at play perhaps.

Wow.

That’s equally tragic.

I wonder what the outcome was, of the case?

Criminal charges were dropped, I think a couple of the officers got written reprimands.