Forgery suspect killed by cop restricting his airway

[Arctish]

Meanwhile, the Floyd family's lawyer says their independent autopsy report (conducted by Dr. Baden), shows death to be homicide, caused by asphyxiation and loss of blood flow to the brain:

1. An autopsy ordered and paid for by the family shysters is anything but independent.
2. I am not surprised that Dr. Bison, I mean Baden, came to that conclusion.

Do you have a specific complaint about his credentials and skill as a medical examiner? What about the University of Michigan Medical School's director of autopsy and forensic services, Dr. Allecia Wilson?

If they can document their findings and support their conclusions with pictures, scans, tissue samples, the results of lab tests, etc. , then IMO they're as credible as the initial examiner if not more so.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I think I've made it clear I support these protests, but saying "Oh look, they're flashing white power signs" is over the top.

Let's make the side that supports the protestors look stupid by saying that is a white power sign. Ziprhead, show us how to look foolish.

 

[ZiprHead]

I think I've made it clear I support these protests, but saying "Oh look, they're flashing white power signs" is over the top.

Let's make the side that supports the protestors look stupid by saying that is a white power sign. Ziprhead, show us how to look foolish.

If it's not a white power symbol, what is it?

 

[Derec]

Do you have a specific complaint about his credentials and skill as a medical examiner? What about the University of Michigan Medical School's director of autopsy and forensic services, Dr. Allecia Wilson?

Whatever their credentials, they are not independent as they have been hired by the family shyster and not an disinterested party.

If they can document their findings and support their conclusions with pictures, scans, tissue samples, the results of lab tests, etc. , then IMO they're as credible as the initial examiner if not more so.

Just as important is what they leave out - specifically his preexisting heart condition and any intoxicants.

 

[Derec]

The county medical examiner concluded that the cop restraining Floyd contributed to his death. It’s in the affidavit that was signed by the judge to execute the arrest.

Contributed, yes. The private autopsy is ignoring all other contributing factors.

I look forward to your demonstration of the legal faults with citations.

Lying by omission.

In any case, even if the hired gun pathologists did everything correctly, their autopsy is still not independent and should not be referred to as such by the media.

 

[laughing dog]

The county medical examiner concluded that the cop restraining Floyd contributed to his death. It’s in the affidavit that was signed by the judge to execute the arrest.

Contributed, yes. The private autopsy is ignoring all other contributing factors.

I look forward to your demonstration of the legal faults with citations.

Lying by omission.

In any case, even if the hired gun pathologists did everything correctly, their autopsy is still not independent and should not be referred to as such by the media.

Using your standard, the autopsy for the state is not independent either.

 

[DBT]

That Floyd had underlying health issues doesn't excuse how he was treated, or reduce responsibility for his death. The police had a duty of care, a standard which they ignored.

 

[Toni]

The county medical examiner concluded that the cop restraining Floyd contributed to his death. It’s in the affidavit that was signed by the judge to execute the arrest.

Contributed, yes. The private autopsy is ignoring all other contributing factors.

I look forward to your demonstration of the legal faults with citations.

Lying by omission.

In any case, even if the hired gun pathologists did everything correctly, their autopsy is still not independent and should not be referred to as such by the media.

If Mr. Floyd had been morbidly obese, chain smoked, had out of control diabetes, advanced heart disease and lung cancer, but had NOT been held on the ground in a prone position, hands handcuffed behind his back with one officer pressing his knee into his neck with his full body weight and at times up to three other officers holding him on the ground, he would still be alive.

The officer killed him and the other three are at the very least, complicit in his death.

 

[Deepak]

The county medical examiner concluded that the cop restraining Floyd contributed to his death. It’s in the affidavit that was signed by the judge to execute the arrest.

Contributed, yes. The private autopsy is ignoring all other contributing factors.

I look forward to your demonstration of the legal faults with citations.

Lying by omission.

In any case, even if the hired gun pathologists did everything correctly, their autopsy is still not independent and should not be referred to as such by the media.

So no then, you have nothing. How is this addressing anything I said?

Maybe you could provide a brief synopsis of how the legal system works? Do you understand the purpose of a jury? Can you define probable cause? Or any of the terms in the autopsy like 'traumatic asphyxia' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traumatic_asphyxia) or why someone would expect that in this case?

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

They know

 

[Deepak]

If Mr. Floyd had been morbidly obese, chain smoked, had out of control diabetes, advanced heart disease and lung cancer, but had NOT been held on the ground in a prone position, hands handcuffed behind his back with one officer pressing his knee into his neck with his full body weight and at times up to three other officers holding him on the ground, he would still be alive.

The officer killed him and the other three are at the very least, complicit in his death.

Of course you take your victims as you find them (talem qualem).

I'm sure Derec will be kind enough to provide an explanation of foreseeability and how Mr Floyd's heart disease and hypertension (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6131a6.htm) should matter. I mean, it can't possibly be that he's completely out of his element and doesn't understand what he's talking about, but simply parroting things he's heard elsewhere - surely.

 

[Deepak]

They know

Call me crazy, but I'm seeing a lot of people talking about this one differently.

 

[lpetrich]

Meet the Press on Twitter: "JUST IN: President Donald Trump is considering invoking a 213-year-old federal law that would allow him to deploy active-duty U.S. troops to respond to protests in cities across the country, according to people familiar with internal discussions. [url]https://t.co/ZvAMswEjWJ https://t.co/PcvXEFzFN9" / Twitter[/url]

Trump considering a move to invoke Insurrection Act - "It would be the first time the act to deploy U.S. troops was invoked since the 1992 Rodney King protests."

President Donald Trump could announce as early as Monday night that he’s invoking a 213-year-old federal law that would allow him to deploy active-duty U.S. troops to respond to protests in cities across the country, according to four people familiar with the decision.

The military police forces would come from Fort Bragg in North Carolina and possibly Fort Belvoir in Virginia and could arrive in Washington within hours, these people said.

 

[lpetrich]

An agitated Trump encourages governors to use aggressive tactics on protesters - CNNPolitics

(CNN) President Donald Trump, agitated and distressed after three nights of violent protests in dozens of cities across the country, including outside of his home, told the nation's governors in a video teleconference Monday to aggressively target violent protesters he said would only respond to a show of force.

"You have to dominate or you'll look like a bunch of jerks, you have to arrest and try people," the President told the governors in a call from the basement White House Situation Room, according to an audio recording of the call obtained by CNN.

He made no effort to seem conciliatory or "presidential". Instead, he recommended "retribution" and said "You don't have to be too careful".

Instead of mentioning ways to address issues of police brutality or racial injustice, he said on the call it was time to reexamine the issue of flag burning, which the US Supreme Court has ruled twice is protected under the Constitution.

"Flag burning is a disgrace. We have a different court. It's time to review that again," he said on the call.

What a thing to be worried about. I think that these anti-flag-burners are setting themselves up to be trolled. Trolled by people burning US flags in front of them.

In a back-and-forth with Democratic Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, Trump said the state was "a laughingstock all over the world" for not responding harshly enough during a first evening of protests.

"So bad a few nights ago that the people wouldn't have minded an occupying force," Trump said. "I wish we had an occupying force in there.
On the phone call, Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker told Trump the nation was craving a steady hand from the top.

"Rhetoric coming out of the White House is making it worse, people are experiencing real pain," Pritzker, a Democrat, told the President. "We've got to have national leadership calling for calm and legitimate concern for protestors."

"I don't like your rhetoric that much either," Trump fired back. "You could have done much better on coronavirus."

 

[lpetrich]

Opinion | The Nation’s Largest Police Force Is Treating Us as an Enemy - The New York Times

A nation already reeling from a deadly pandemic and a deep economic crisis was further convulsed this week by the death of another black man at the hands of the police. George Floyd, an unarmed black man, was choked to death by an officer in Minneapolis on Memorial Day, one more casualty in a long history of police abuse that has haunted the country for decades.

In New York, the American city that has suffered the heaviest toll from the coronavirus, the grief and anger erupted at week’s end in three days and nights of protest in Brooklyn, Queens and Manhattan. Videos showed that police acted not only against the small number of protesters who became violent but also used disproportionate force against peaceful demonstrators, including elected officials.

Avi Asher-Schapiro on Twitter: "A major NYPD police union, the Sergeant Benevolent Association, just...doxxed De Blasio's daughter, tweeting out PII (redacted) including her government IDI #'s (h/t @dellcam) https://t.co/koXniZh80O" / Twitter
noting
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Last night the NYPD Sergeants’ union *publicly threatened the mayor’s daughter* while they held her.
Indefensible.
If police budgets bought peace, the $6 *billion* NYPD budget would’ve bought the most sophisticated de-escalatory operation in the world.
Clearly, it didn’t." / Twitter
then
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Again, we need de-escalation.
@SBANYPD, apologize and own this egregious behavior." / Twitter

 

[lpetrich]

Mara Gay on Twitter: "A New York police union came after the mayor’s daughter. Think about that." / Twitter
noting
New York Post on Twitter: "NYPD sergeants' union tweets and deletes Chiara de Blasio's arrest report [url]https://t.co/pUPBlyGels https://t.co/furGak1mij" / Twitter[/url]

Chris Hayes on Twitter: "The two most flagantly lawless presidents of the last 60 years have both been the most insistent on "law and order," which shows how little it has to do with law and how much it's about maintaining a specific "order."" / Twitter
Richard Nixon and Donald Trump

I am old enough to remember the Watergate scandal and what a crook RN turned out to be.

Josefa Velásquez on Twitter: "Democrats in the NY Legislature are huddling today to discuss the recent protests. The law shielding police personnel records is expected to be the focal point.
The Senate appears to have the support to repeal 50-a. https://t.co/8aRcFvHmH9" / Twitter
noting
Lawmakers Moving to Yank Covers Off Secret Police Disciplinary Records - THE CITY

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "True peace is the presence of justice.
Justice means recognizing and dismantling the violence of racial injustices in policing, housing, healthcare, pollution, wages, etc.
We need legislatures to step up now with POLICY changes.
In NY, repealing 50-a is one place to start." / Twitter
noting
Gloria Pazmino on Twitter: "What is 50-a? We gon tell you: https://t.co/cu4tNe6K49" / Twitter

L. Joy Williams on Twitter: "Governor Cuomo said he would sign a bill to #Repeal50A and end police secrecy. Use our online tool to contact your state legislators and demand they send a bill to his desk immediately. #BKNAACP #WeAreDoneDying https://t.co/9x218v7xNb" / Twitter
noting
#Repeal50A — Brooklyn NAACP

 

[lpetrich]

Kamala Harris on Twitter: "It’s been one week since George Floyd was murdered and the other three officers involved still have not been held accountable." / Twitter

David Begnaud on Twitter: "BREAKING: George Floyd died due to asphyxia from neck & back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain, according to an independent autopsy done by 2 pathologists' who ruled manner of death: homicide. Minneapolis officials have said Floyd didn't die from asphyxia." / Twitter
noting
David Begnaud on Twitter: "BREAKING: Medical examiner in the county that Minneapolis is in, rules George Floyd’s death a homicide due to cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint & neck compression. Now, the state says homicide & so does the Floyd family’s independent expert. https://t.co/UM5WFDpddJ" / Twitter

I don't find that the least bit surprising. From the looks of it, GF was strangled by that cop.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "For leaders enforcing a curfew, what plans are in place to protect ppl experiencing homelessness (yet another crisis disproportionately facing Black Americans)?
Genuinely wondering. Feel free to share what you see here.
Without a plan, the homeless will be subject to violence." / Twitter

Robert Reich on Twitter: "Your reminder that tear gas is a chemical weapon banned in war." / Twitter

Abby D. Phillip on Twitter: "In the Rose Garden, Trump says he is an “ally of all peaceful protestors” as the world watched peaceful protestors being tear gassed outside of the WH gates." / Twitter

Yet more self-congratulation from the Narcissist in Chief.

 

[marc]

Several police officers share their opinion.

 

[repoman]

So the NY cop who pointed his gun at the crowd after his supervisor was hit in his (helmeted) head with a brick. Seemed like an automatic response.

Now whether that was right for the cop to do, Di Blasio should have known that before he made his statement.

 

[ZiprHead]

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/177880260301445/?notif_id=1591056486281666&notif_t=live_video

Another WTF moment.