My city, Minneapolis, On Fire: a story about white nationalism and it's consequences

[Jarhyn]

Just heard back from my councilman, and a POC-community credit union is already on their way into the neighborhood, within the next year or so.

So what was that again about how it was contradictory to not mourn the loss of predatory businesses


yet also dismay at the "desert" status of the community? How
such things prevent communities from having good access to services?

Because it looks to me like we just got an upgrade.

Don't stop there! There might be other businesses you can drive out of your neighbourhood with arson.

Naw, we're all good now at this point. Then, every Wells Fargo across the city seems to have gotten similar treatment. At any rate, fuck the "shareholders" and "owners". They certainly don't live here, and certainly don't contribute anything positive to the community in comparison to what community-owned and driven businesses do.

It's almost like when a business plays stupid games, they can win stupid prizes, too.

 

[Derec]

At any rate, fuck the "shareholders" and "owners".

A lot of shareholders aka owners of publicly owned companies are middle class people who have 401ks and IRAs. But sure, fuck them, right?

As long as racially pure businesses then move into the burned out neighborhoods once all the "white interlopers" are driven out.

 

[Derec]

Just heard back from my councilman, and a POC-community credit union is already on their way into the neighborhood, within the next year or so.

Well, everything is fine as long as the owners have the politically correct skin color!

 

[Jarhyn]

I always find it hilarious when someone talks about those who gamble on and claim the value of the work of others for their own benefit, as if they have any right to the value that they just lost when things don't go their way. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

And in majority-minority community especially, but also just in general a.country where black people are underrepresented in business, and in large discriminated against by, well, interlopers, it's nice to see a business unlikely to discriminate going in. It is a good step in restoring the public trust to see a mixture of responsibility and ownership.

I mean shit, at least some, people, even if not some of the 'very fine people on ...<the other> side', recognize that when you have an opportunity to pick "a business that will do the job" and "a business that will do the job, and help ease racial tensions and inequity", picking the latter does make good sense.

Granted with this particular development, the credit union coming in is owned by people of color because they are the ones who first came together and organized the idea, because they were tired of getting fucked by Wells Fargo.

 

[Toni]

At any rate, fuck the "shareholders" and "owners".

A lot of shareholders aka owners of publicly owned companies are middle class people who have 401ks and IRAs. But sure, fuck them, right?

As long as racially pure businesses then move into the burned out neighborhoods once all the "white interlopers" are driven out.

With regards to 401Ks —you can choose parameters of what type of investments you want to include in your portfolio. It’s possible to do well and be invested in corporations that represent your personal values.

 

[Metaphor]

It's almost like when a business plays stupid games, they can win stupid prizes, too.

Vandalism and arson are not prizes, Jarhyn. They are illegal and immoral.

 

[Metaphor]

I always find it hilarious when someone talks about those who gamble on and claim the value of the work of others for their own benefit, as if they have any right to the value that they just lost when things don't go their way. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Jarhyn, are you remotely embarrassed that you support the violent destruction of legal businesses you don't care for?

 

[repoman]

What wrong with being a white nationalist?

I am one.

 

[Derec]

I always find it hilarious when someone talks about those who gamble on and claim the value of the work of others for their own benefit, as if they have any right to the value that they just lost when things don't go their way. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

It's not "playing stupid games" to find yourself a victim of looters and arsonists.

And in majority-minority community especially, but also just in general a.country where black people are underrepresented in business, and in large discriminated against by, well, interlopers, it's nice to see a business unlikely to discriminate going in. It is a good step in restoring the public trust to see a mixture of responsibility and ownership.

Your sentiment is dripping in racism against white people.
Do you also think a black-owned business in a majority white neighborhood is interloping too? Or is your idea of racial purity a one-way street.
Say what you will about repoman, but at least to him racial exclusivity is a two-way street, unlike with you, who applaud it for blacks, but decry it for whites. It is deeply hypocritical as well as racist.

Granted with this particular development, the credit union coming in is owned by people of color because they are the ones who first came together and organized the idea, because they were tired of getting fucked by Wells Fargo.

Also helps if there is looting and arson chasing out competition. Kind of like my joke that Gus "Buggin' Out" Fring burned down Sal's Pizzeria in "Do the Right Thing" to eliminate competition so he could more easily move into the neighborhood with Los Pollos Hermanos.

 

[Derec]

With regards to 401Ks —you can choose parameters of what type of investments you want to include in your portfolio. It’s possible to do well and be invested in corporations that represent your personal values.

Not to mention racially "correct" ownership structure - no whitey allowed!

 

[Jarhyn]

It's not "playing stupid games" to find yourself a victim of looters and arsonists.

Not quite... that's the stupid prize. For the record, one I hope you are one of the winners of re: Wells Fargo stocks

Your sentiment is dripping in racism against white people.
Do you also think a black-owned business in a majority white neighborhood is interloping too? Or is your idea of racial purity a one-way street.

You certainly have a way of putting a certain unbelievably dishonest spin on things...

No matter the neighborhood, having owners who as a vast majority share are not even part of the community at all, is what is "interloping". And even in majority white neighborhoods, generally ownership is still skewed disproportionately towards white business owners; and if those owners discriminate against the minority members of their community, fuck them.

[A bald faced, dishonest assertion that does not represent Jarhyn's views]

And then you told lies about my viewpoint, as if I haven't been plenty clear about in the past about the value of neutrality, and when all things are functionally equal correcting towards equity in representation.

Granted with this particular development, the credit union coming in is owned by people of color because they are the ones who first came together and organized the idea, because they were tired of getting fucked by Wells Fargo.

Also helps if there is looting and arson chasing out competition. Kind of like my joke that Gus "Buggin' Out" Fring burned down Sal's Pizzeria in "Do the Right Thing" to eliminate competition so he could more easily move into the neighborhood with Los Pollos Hermanos.

The people who burned down the Wells Fargo didn't even know the new business was coming in at all. We know who looted and burned the bank. All that was caught on camera, at least until the cloud-connected cameras melted too.

But nice cherry on top with the conspiracy theory shit.

 

[Toni]

With regards to 401Ks —you can choose parameters of what type of investments you want to include in your portfolio. It’s possible to do well and be invested in corporations that represent your personal values.

Not to mention racially "correct" ownership structure - no whitey allowed!

I don’t remember if among the options was to invest in minority owned corporations. Obviously that is something that any of us could choose to do ourselves. It would take some time and effort.

 

[Derec]

I don’t remember if among the options was to invest in minority owned corporations. Obviously that is something that any of us could choose to do ourselves. It would take some time and effort.

But do you think it's morally right to invest in a business based on the race of the principal owners? Or do you think it's only moral when you want to exclude white owners?

 

[Derec]

For the record, one I hope you are one of the winners of re: Wells Fargo stocks

And I hope you are one of the Minnepolis taxpayers because you will be paying a long time for this nonsense.

You certainly have a way of putting a certain unbelievably dishonest spin on things...

Not dishonest, just dispensing with stupid special pleading.

No matter the neighborhood, having owners who as a vast majority share are not even part of the community at all, is what is "interloping".

So a white business owner, solely because he is a minority in a majority black neighborhood, is "interloping" and deserves to be driven out by looting and arson.
But what about a black business owner in a majority white neighborhood? Sauce for the gander and all that.

And even in majority white neighborhoods, generally ownership is still skewed disproportionately towards white business owners; and if those owners discriminate against the minority members of their community, fuck them.

Nobody should be discriminating (although laughing dog might call you out on your use of the word "discriminate"!), but you are calling white business owners "interlopers" solely on the basis of their skin color.

[A bald faced, dishonest assertion that does not represent Jarhyn's views]

Nope.

And then you told lies about my viewpoint, as if I haven't been plenty clear about in the past about the value of neutrality, and when all things are functionally equal correcting towards equity in representation.

The ideal should be the equality of opportunity, not "equity" of outcomes.
Quotas are evil!

The people who burned down the Wells Fargo didn't even know the new business was coming in at all.

How do you know? Maybe the owner of the POC bank had their eye on the site of Wells Fargo for years and the one thing that stood between them and that property - the rightful owners. You know, the rightful owners you think deserve to lose their property because many of them are white.

 

[fromderinside]

Why are we still conflating morality of black lives matter with opportunists advanaging themselves of situations to gain discord as a thing?

The price paid by those burned out has nothing to do with the morality of protesting for an end to racism by authorities.

Right now opportunists are raping the stock markets with false hope of a quick economic comeback. No one is pointing that moral shortfall out.

People are going to be distancing until either the herd or vaccine immunization effects, probably both, take hold. No way business will recover any time soon.

Until capitalism monitizes increased consumers and accounts for effects of military might will we ever get a handle on national debt. It is not a zero sum game. Nothing is fixed. It is a customer/power value game.

Morality should also be handled similarly.

 

[Toni]

I don’t remember if among the options was to invest in minority owned corporations. Obviously that is something that any of us could choose to do ourselves. It would take some time and effort.

But do you think it's morally right to invest in a business based on the race of the principal owners? Or do you think it's only moral when you want to exclude white owners?

I think that it is morally indefensible that certain groups, largely persons of color and women, have largely been left out of opportunities to gain access to business loans and other help to start businesses. That needs to change and one way to change it is to make certain that you look to do business with people who have largely been left out of the opportunity to do business because of the color of their skin.

When I can, I buy from businesses and individuals who support the same values that I hold: treating people well, treating animals well, treating the land and the water and the air well. I do my best to buy as local as possible for many reasons, but yes, because when I buy locally, the money stays in my community rather than gets shipped off to some entity somewhere else. I don't see it as very different to actively look for minority owned businesses. By purchasing from LOCAL businesses, rather than businesses who sell and take their profits elsewhere, it makes a lot of sense to purchase from people within the community and to keep the money within the community.

 

[Jarhyn]

I don’t remember if among the options was to invest in minority owned corporations. Obviously that is something that any of us could choose to do ourselves. It would take some time and effort.

But do you think it's morally right to invest in a business based on the race of the principal owners? Or do you think it's only moral when you want to exclude white owners?

I think that it is morally indefensible that certain groups, largely persons of color and women, have largely been left out of opportunities to gain access to business loans and other help to start businesses. That needs to change and one way to change it is to make certain that you look to do business with people who have largely been left out of the opportunity to do business because of the color of their skin.

When I can, I buy from businesses and individuals who support the same values that I hold: treating people well, treating animals well, treating the land and the water and the air well. I do my best to buy as local as possible for many reasons, but yes, because when I buy locally, the money stays in my community rather than gets shipped off to some entity somewhere else. I don't see it as very different to actively look for minority owned businesses. By purchasing from LOCAL businesses, rather than businesses who sell and take their profits elsewhere, it makes a lot of sense to purchase from people within the community and to keep the money within the community.

It's kind of like this comic I shamelessly ripped off of Reddit:

Some communities have been denied representation systematically, and then left with a lack of momentum as a population. Then racists say no additional economic force needs to be applied to black people because "that's racist" somehow to want to break the (currently accidental; historically intentional) correlation between what someone looked like and what opportunities exist for them; the fact is, I just don't want to see race continue to exist as a bad proxy for merit or ability. If I could wave a magic wand randomize people's "appearance sliders", I would in a heartbeat.

 

[Deepak]

Why are we still conflating morality of black lives matter with opportunists advanaging themselves of situations to gain discord as a thing?

The price paid by those burned out has nothing to do with the morality of protesting for an end to racism by authorities.

Right now opportunists are raping the stock markets with false hope of a quick economic comeback. No one is pointing that moral shortfall out.

People are going to be distancing until either the herd or vaccine immunization effects, probably both, take hold. No way business will recover any time soon.

Until capitalism monitizes increased consumers and accounts for effects of military might will we ever get a handle on national debt. It is not a zero sum game. Nothing is fixed. It is a customer/power value game.

Morality should also be handled similarly.

People don't just unlearn their mythologies. When the only tune you know is Camptown Races then you play Camptown Races. Or if it's semantic flim-flam then you get up to semantic flim-flam.

Meanwhile we have Republican Senators calling for take-no-prisoners use of the military against US citizens, the President tear-gassing protesters and clergy for a photo-op at a church, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs needs to write letters like this to the troops:

 

[Jarhyn]

Why are we still conflating morality of black lives matter with opportunists advanaging themselves of situations to gain discord as a thing?

The price paid by those burned out has nothing to do with the morality of protesting for an end to racism by authorities.

Right now opportunists are raping the stock markets with false hope of a quick economic comeback. No one is pointing that moral shortfall out.

People are going to be distancing until either the herd or vaccine immunization effects, probably both, take hold. No way business will recover any time soon.

Until capitalism monitizes increased consumers and accounts for effects of military might will we ever get a handle on national debt. It is not a zero sum game. Nothing is fixed. It is a customer/power value game.

Morality should also be handled similarly.

People don't just unlearn their mythologies. When the only tune you know is Camptown Races then you play Camptown Races. Or if it's semantic flim-flam then you get up to semantic flim-flam.

Meanwhile we have Republican Senators calling for take-no-prisoners use of the military against US citizens, the President tear-gassing protesters and clergy for a photo-op at a church, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs needs to write letters like this to the troops:

That letter, honestly, makes me feel much better about the military presence; that our soldiers of the national guard are being reminded of their respective responsibility to the constitution.

But I think the existence of this letter heralds the imminent existence of a betting pool on how much longer that man's career lasts.

 

[ZiprHead]

Alas, exploitative interest rates and fraudulent-ass fees are par for the course in US banking. If I thought there was a bank that didn't exist specifically to bilk the lower and middle classes to line their pockets I would happily do business with them, but unfortunately I'm not an idiot.

Bank rates are at an all time low. How much do you think would be appropriate to charge in order to recoup your expenses if you were a bank?

Rates may be low but bullshit fees are extremely high.