Forgery suspect killed by cop restricting his airway

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Sorry, should have clarified. Asians in the US. But I thought that was assumed by the context. Silly me.

So Asians in the US don't behave as Asians everywhere else. Please elaborate on the behavioral differences. Also, document your sources and explain the "why."

Wouldn't the more interesting question be why the gap between Asian-Americans and everyone else as to educational attainment, crime rates, etc., is often ignored?

No, it's not ignored. It's explained and you ignore the explanation.

 

[lpetrich]

Trump Orders Troops to Leave D.C. as Former Military Leaders Sound Warning - The New York Times
He claimed that it was a great triumph.

The president said the National Guard soldiers would withdraw “now that everything is under perfect control.”

“They will be going home, but can quickly return, if needed,” he wrote on Twitter. “Far fewer protesters showed up last night than anticipated!”(In fact, the daylong protest in Washington on Saturday appeared larger than earlier rallies over the past week.)

He seems so deluded, always wanting to believe that he is a great success.

Longtime observers see violent change in Park Police tactics | WTOP
Antinuclear activist Ellen Thomas:

So Thomas, 73, speaks from great familiarity in describing her surprise at the force used by the U.S. Park Police and other law enforcement officers in front of the White House last week at one of the nation’s foremost protest spots, Lafayette Square. Two former Park Police overseers dating back to the Reagan administration also said the response was unprecedented in their experience.

In Monday’s violent rout of protesters, authorities sent people stumbling and fleeing with chemical agents, clubs and punches.

“I was horrified,” Thomas said. Now living in North Carolina, Thomas became known to millions of Washington residents and tourists as her vigils made her a witness to the force’s handling of mass protests from the 1980s on.

Through protests of wars, inaugurations and other government actions, Thomas said, “I don’t recall there ever being anything even remotely like this.”

 

[Metaphor]

Your anecdote doesn't say anything against the notion that different cultures have different values, and people from different backgrounds tend to approach problems different ways.

Now, on the subject of math, we can fairly well ascertain that due to the rule of large numbers, we can find a woman or a man or a black or a white that meets any given standard of intelligence: that all populations are capable of producing the same level of output in terms of raw mathematical skill.

Non. That is not what the law of large numbers means. The law of large numbers is that as a sample size grows, its mean (that is, the sample size's mean) gets closer to the population's mean (the population you are sampling from).

If you are sampling 'mathematical ability', and the population you are sampling is 'white men 18 and older', then the more white men 18 and older are in your sample, the better that sample's mean (of measured mathematical ability) will approach the actual mean (of mathematical ability) of white men 18 and older.

As to what important impacts having people from all manner of backgrounds within the subject of mathematics brings, let's look at the impacts of getting more women in math: we now have widespread acknowledgement that engineering (a common pursuit for those who have math degrees), too often engineering is done targeting "the average male. As such, this leads women to have higher fatalities in car accidents. Of course, without math (and other STEM) degrees being offered to people who are likely to have an interest in identifying some problem,to the extent that the field becomes full enough of such people that they get critical exposure, the issues go unheeded.

Your anecdote is unsourced, but you have not produced evidence that women have a higher fatality in car accidents, or that this higher fatality was due to the proportion of women in STEM, or that increasing the proportion of women in STEM could have reduced this fatality rate.

In any case, STEM degrees are already more than "offered" to women. A university in Australia has lowered its entry requirements for engineering degrees for female applicants only. Universities all across the globe have specific programs and policies for STEM-focused outreach to school-aged girls.

Because you have yet to establish in any way that the people finishing these degree programs are less qualified at the end of their degree, that an AA admissions degree program leads to an inferior graduate product.

These are claims that I haven't made, and to get at it would require a new thread (like explaining what you mean by 'less qualified'). I was challenging your claims like that academia "functions best" when it discriminates by race and sex to increase 'diversity'.

 

[Trausti]

Wouldn't the more interesting question be why the gap between Asian-Americans and everyone else as to educational attainment, crime rates, etc., is often ignored?

No, it's not ignored. It's explained and you ignore the explanation.

No, never explained.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I'm talking about automated plate readers that flag cars where the owner has a warrant.



Which has poor controls for the number of drivers on the road at that time.

Given the well documented arrest bias and enforcement bias and conviction bias against black people, how could you possibly expect that data to be valid?

How much of that bias is race rather than socioeconomic status, though??

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Wouldn't the more interesting question be why the gap between Asian-Americans and everyone else as to educational attainment, crime rates, etc., is often ignored?

No, it's not ignored. It's explained and you ignore the explanation.

No, never explained.

You just proved my point.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Opinion - The no-knock warrant for Breonna Taylor was illegal
Police departments continue to violate an important Supreme Court ruling — and judges keep letting them

Judges are letting them get away with it because the Supreme Court put an impossible burden on them--flushing the drugs when the cops show up is common practice.

I think we need to address this differently. No-knock--but assault with camera robots, not officers.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

How much of this is attitude, though?

Jesus christ. Loren, I used to have some respect for you.

The point is the left is taking any disparate result as proof of discrimination without looking into it. Your attitude when stopped makes a big difference in whether you get a ticket--and those who think the cops are out to get them are far more likely to react in a way that actually gets them a ticket.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

How much of this is attitude, though?

Jesus christ. Loren, I used to have some respect for you.

The point is the left is taking any disparate result as proof of discrimination without looking into it. Your attitude when stopped makes a big difference in whether you get a ticket--and those who think the cops are out to get them are far more likely to react in a way that actually gets them a ticket.

The proximal cause of disparate results are economics, but the evonomic disparity is primarily caused by historical and modern racism. So, yes, it's race.

 

[Arctish]

How much of this is attitude, though?

Jesus christ. Loren, I used to have some respect for you.

The point is the left is taking any disparate result as proof of discrimination without looking into it. Your attitude when stopped makes a big difference in whether you get a ticket--and those who think the cops are out to get them are far more likely to react in a way that actually gets them a ticket.

Except when my white male Libertarian father-in-law is being a pain in the ass to the cops, they don't drag him out of his car, throw him on the ground and handcuff him, and/or use tasers if he keeps complaining.

 

[Trausti]

No, never explained.

You just proved my point.

Well, if you had a point, maybe. But ya don't.

 

[Trausti]

The point is the left is taking any disparate result as proof of discrimination without looking into it. Your attitude when stopped makes a big difference in whether you get a ticket--and those who think the cops are out to get them are far more likely to react in a way that actually gets them a ticket.

The proximal cause of disparate results are economics, but the evonomic disparity is primarily caused by historical and modern racism. So, yes, it's race.

How is this not a religion?

 

[ruby sparks]

The point is the left is taking any disparate result as proof of discrimination without looking into it. Your attitude when stopped makes a big difference in whether you get a ticket--and those who think the cops are out to get them are far more likely to react in a way that actually gets them a ticket.

The proximal cause of disparate results are economics, but the evonomic disparity is primarily caused by historical and modern racism. So, yes, it's race.

How is this not a religion?

Because of the mountain of robust evidence that it is the case, much of which has been presented in various threads over several years.

Ok, perhaps it is not primarily the cause. It is at least clearly and obviously a somewhat important relevant factor. That is something that is not even viably disputable by reasonable, intelligent and informed people.

Racism denialists/minimisers like you and Loren might be another matter however. You are essentially an integral part of what is wrong with attitudes in your society, and imo I think you should be ashamed of yourselves. Really. And personally I don’t think you have much if anything useful to contribute on any forum that seeks to promote rational thinking on these important topics.

I see what’s happening in America and then I see your responses to it and it literally makes me feel sick, and indeed angry.

 

[Trausti]

How is this not a religion?

Because of the mountain of robust evidence that it is the case, much of which has been presented in various threads over several years.

Ok, perhaps it is not primarily the cause. It is at least a somewhat important relevant factor. That is something that is not even viably disputable by reasonable, intelligent and informed people.

Racism denialists/minimalisers like you and Loren and derec might be another matter however. You are an integral part of what is wrong with your society, and imo I think you should be ashamed of yourselves. Really. And personally I don’t think you have much if anything useful to contribute on any forum that seeks to promote rational thinking.

I see what’s happening in America and then I see your response and it literally makes me feel sick, and indeed angry.

Your response shows it’s religion. You’ve got the fervent anger against the infidel who does not worship your god. There is no mountain of evidence; just a belief system that will brook no doubt.

 

[ruby sparks]

How is this not a religion?

Because of the mountain of robust evidence that it is the case, much of which has been presented in various threads over several years.

Ok, perhaps it is not primarily the cause. It is at least a somewhat important relevant factor. That is something that is not even viably disputable by reasonable, intelligent and informed people.

Racism denialists/minimalisers like you and Loren and derec might be another matter however. You are an integral part of what is wrong with your society, and imo I think you should be ashamed of yourselves. Really. And personally I don’t think you have much if anything useful to contribute on any forum that seeks to promote rational thinking.

I see what’s happening in America and then I see your response and it literally makes me feel sick, and indeed angry.

Your response shows it’s religion. You’ve got the fervent anger against the infidel who does not worship your god. There is no mountain of evidence; just a belief system that will brook no doubt.

I feel sorry for you.

I’m just glad that you are in a small minority here.

I’ll be putting you back on ignore as soon as I get my full broadband functions back. Hopefully later today.

 

[Trausti]

Your response shows it’s religion. You’ve got the fervent anger against the infidel who does not worship your god. There is no mountain of evidence; just a belief system that will brook no doubt.

I feel sorry for you.

I’m just glad that you are in a small minority here.

I’ll be putting you back on ignore as soon as I get my full broadband functions back. Hopefully later today.

Oh, noes! I wasn’t aware I was even own an ignore. I don’t block anyone; don’t have a fragile mind. When you grow up a bit, you can join the adults.

 

[ruby sparks]

Ok, thanks.

Now why don’t you go and get an adult to change your dirty nappy? Lol.

I think we’re done.

 

[ZiprHead]

ST. PAUL MAN ARRESTED FOR BURNING DOWN OF MINNEAPOLIS POLICE PRECINCT

On June 3, St. Paul police officers were called to a home improvement store in St. Paul about an individual, later identified as Wolfe, wearing body armor and a law enforcement duty belt and carrying a baton was trying to get into the store. Store employees said WOLFE had been working as a security guard at the store but was fired earlier that day over social media posts about stealing items from the Third Precinct.

Police arrested Wolfe and say they found him wearing multiple items stolen from the Third Precinct, including body armor, a police-issue duty belt with handcuffs, an earphone piece, baton, and knife. Officers say Wolfe’s name was handwritten in duct tape on the back of the body armor. Law enforcement says it recovered items belonging to the Minneapolis Police Department, including a riot helmet, 9mm pistol magazine, police radio, and police issue overdose kit, from Wolfe’s apartment.

 

[lpetrich]

Thanx, ZiprHead. That shows the sort of thing that policing should be reserved for -- and it shows how gently the suspect is being treated by some standards. He's handcuffed but not being beaten up or worse.

 

[TSwizzle]

How is this not a religion?

It pretty much is a religion now. Right down to the act of worship and ritual that manifest in the act of going out to protest. If you don't go on the protests, friends etc call you a heretic. My kid and a few friends were planning on going to the beach Saturday but there was a protest organized that day. It was interesting to hear the discussion on how some pious "friends" were asking how you could even think about going to the beach and enjoy yourself while there is a protest. It's frightening. Unfortunately the weather was not that great on Saturday and the beach was cancelled but it would have been very interesting to see how things played out if some of the group had actually gone to the beach.