Forgery suspect killed by cop restricting his airway

[TSwizzle]

Finally, we limit our analysis to drivers classified as white, black or Hispanic, as there were relatively few recorded stops of drivers in other race groups.

We need an explanation as to why police are biased against stopping Asian drivers.

And we all know that Asian drivers are THE worst drivers on the road, so yeah, what is up with that ?!!

 

[thebeave]

Well, I think its safe to say that Asians are a quirky bunch. They have some serious, but as yet undescribed personality defect that limits their admission to universities and medical schools, and the cops seem to be letting them off easy on criminal matters. I wish someone with great intelligence and insight would figure what's the deal with them.

 

[Elixir]

Asians are a quirky bunch. They have some serious, but as yet undescribed personality defect t

Uh - The current population of Asia is 4,638,503,436 as of Monday, June 8, 2020, based on the latest United Nations estimates.

So you're saying that most people on the planet have a serious personality defect. The logical default explanation would be that you are the one with the defect.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Well, I think its safe to say that Asians are a quirky bunch. They have some serious, but as yet undescribed personality defect that limits their admission to universities and medical schools, and the cops seem to be letting them off easy on criminal matters. I wish someone with great intelligence and insight would figure what's the deal with them.

Why don't you just come out and say what you are trying to say instead of beating around the bush...no hiding behind the bush?

 

[ZiprHead]

Opinion - The no-knock warrant for Breonna Taylor was illegal
Police departments continue to violate an important Supreme Court ruling — and judges keep letting them

 

[thebeave]

Asians are a quirky bunch. They have some serious, but as yet undescribed personality defect t

Uh - The current population of Asia is 4,638,503,436 as of Monday, June 8, 2020, based on the latest United Nations estimates.

So you're saying that most people on the planet have a serious personality defect. The logical default explanation would be that you are the one with the defect.

Sorry, should have clarified. Asians in the US. But I thought that was assumed by the context. Silly me.

 

[Jarhyn]

Asians are a quirky bunch. They have some serious, but as yet undescribed personality defect t

Uh - The current population of Asia is 4,638,503,436 as of Monday, June 8, 2020, based on the latest United Nations estimates.

So you're saying that most people on the planet have a serious personality defect. The logical default explanation would be that you are the one with the defect.

He's making a jab affirmative action, which in the case of Asians, throttles their entry into academia because academia functions best when there's a good mixture of everyone they can get from every background. This diversity is beneficial because people widely distributed across any error surface means a more likely position at a perspective point that will have visibility on the solution.

And of course, the cultures of Asia tend towards being highly conservative, conformist, and pro-boot.

 

[Emily Lake]

Calling arrest data "already suspect" is begging the question, but in any case my view was not informed by arrest data in the first place.

For consideration... the rate of arrests isn't necessarily indicative of the rate of crimes committed.

As an analogy, red vehicles get speeding tickets more often than any other color. If that's the only piece of information you have, you might assume that the drivers of red vehicles speed more often than the drivers of other colored vehicles. Turns out this isn't the case though. In actuality, red vehicles are more noticeable, they stand out more, so they catch the attention of cops. Drivers of all colors of cars speed at roughly the same rate, but the red cars get noticed and pulled over a lot more often, which results in a higher rate of ticketing for red vehicles.

There's a similar dynamic when it comes to arrests and convictions for black people. They get pulled over more often than white people do, they get stopped and come under scrutiny more often than white people do, and they're given the benefit of the doubt less often than white people. So for roughly equivalent crimes, black people are more likely to be arrested, charged, and convicted... while white people are more likely to get a warning.

By the way, women get far more warnings than men do for equivalent misbehavior. Women get the benefit of the doubt very regularly. Women commit violent crimes at a lower per capita rate than men do, but even with that being considered, their arrests are less frequent and their sentences are lower. Women commit nonviolent and petty crimes at about the same rate as men, but are arrested and sentences quite a bit less often than men.

Justice in the US isn't blind.

How much of this is attitude, though?

Jesus christ. Loren, I used to have some respect for you.

 

[atrib]

He was just standing there not hurting anyone. So it's perfectly fine with you when government law enforcement knocks down a harmless old man and seriously injuring him, but you will cry and cry when they keep you out of the beach for a couple of months.

He should have stayed home out of harms way. Whether that harm comes from possibly catching Covid19 or from over zealous police, it was a bad decision on his part anyway you look at it. So tragic but also avoidable.

The point under discussion is the unacceptable behavior of the police officer, not the victim's lack of foresight in predicting he would be assaulted by said officer. People have the right to go outside and protest in a peaceful manner without getting assaulted by the police. Why are you trying to move the blame to the victim?

 

[atrib]

You're right. It was totally avoidable. All that was necessary was for a cop to NOT shove him down. All that was necessary was for police to NOT decide to brutalize people.

I don't know what the idiot cop was thinking but we may never know.

Indeed. And this is why you live in fantasy land. Because the reality is we live in a world where some cops do brutalize people and you take a risk when you put yourself in their sphere. He would have been better off staying home and leaving that shit to someone younger.

The fact that we do live in a world where some cops brutalize people and murder people in cold blood is exactly the reason people, young and old, should be out protesting in the streets.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Asians are a quirky bunch. They have some serious, but as yet undescribed personality defect t

Uh - The current population of Asia is 4,638,503,436 as of Monday, June 8, 2020, based on the latest United Nations estimates.

So you're saying that most people on the planet have a serious personality defect. The logical default explanation would be that you are the one with the defect.

Sorry, should have clarified. Asians in the US. But I thought that was assumed by the context. Silly me.

So Asians in the US don't behave as Asians everywhere else. Please elaborate on the behavioral differences. Also, document your sources and explain the "why."

 

[TSwizzle]

The point under discussion is the unacceptable behavior of the police officer, not the victim's lack of foresight in predicting he would be assaulted by said officer. People have the right to go outside and protest in a peaceful manner without getting assaulted by the police. Why are you trying to move the blame to the victim?

I'm merely pointing out the realities, there are consequences to bad choices. Why do you choose to ignore reality ?

The fact that we do live in a world where some cops brutalize people and murder people in cold blood is exactly the reason people, young and old, should be out protesting in the streets.

And if he had been doing that instead of trying to confront the police he would have been tucked up in his own bed not in a hospital bed.

 

[Elixir]

He should have stayed home out of harms way. Whether that harm comes from possibly catching Covid19 or from over zealous police, it was a bad decision on his part anyway you look at it. So tragic but also avoidable.

The point under discussion is the unacceptable behavior of the police officer, not the victim's lack of foresight in predicting he would be assaulted by said officer. People have the right to go outside and protest in a peaceful manner without getting assaulted by the police. Why are you trying to move the blame to the victim?

Because it's what conservos do. I bet this same person has been whining about being put upon by being asked to wear a mask in public - not to save his ass from government sponsored murderers who like to kill conservatives who don't wear masks and who can kill him with impunity, but for the public health. However, he wants blacks to stay off the street in order to save themselves from government sponsored murderers who like to kill black people just for being black, and can do so with impunity.

 

[J842P]

Sorry, should have clarified. Asians in the US. But I thought that was assumed by the context. Silly me.

So Asians in the US don't behave as Asians everywhere else. Please elaborate on the behavioral differences. Also, document your sources and explain the "why."

Hey's making fun of the racist AA admission policies that American colleges participate in. You can read the racist apologia in Jayhrn's post.

 

[Trausti]

Sorry, should have clarified. Asians in the US. But I thought that was assumed by the context. Silly me.

So Asians in the US don't behave as Asians everywhere else. Please elaborate on the behavioral differences. Also, document your sources and explain the "why."

Wouldn't the more interesting question be why the gap between Asian-Americans and everyone else as to educational attainment, crime rates, etc., is often ignored?

 

[Jarhyn]

Sorry, should have clarified. Asians in the US. But I thought that was assumed by the context. Silly me.

So Asians in the US don't behave as Asians everywhere else. Please elaborate on the behavioral differences. Also, document your sources and explain the "why."

Hey's making fun of the racist AA admission policies that American colleges participate in. You can read the racist apologia in Jayhrn's post.

I see. So, could you point out where anything I said is factually wrong?

 

[Metaphor]

Hey's making fun of the racist AA admission policies that American colleges participate in. You can read the racist apologia in Jayhrn's post.

I see. So, could you point out where anything I said is factually wrong?

This is what you said:

He's making a jab affirmative action, which in the case of Asians, throttles their entry into academia because academia functions best when there's a good mixture of everyone they can get from every background.

What does this mean? What is your measure for academia 'functioning best'? For whom does it function best? The academics? The administrators? The students? Non-students?

And is discrimination by race a price worth paying for this alleged 'best' functioning? Why?

This diversity is beneficial because people widely distributed across any error surface means a more likely position at a perspective point that will have visibility on the solution.

The general proof of Fermat's last theorem was solved by Andrew Wiles, working alone and in near-total secrecy for seven years. The "perspectives" he needed were the prior contributions of extraordinarily gifted mathematicians, not a particular ethnic distribution of students and academics.

If somebody were to ask me what would determine the success of a mathematics department, the first thing that would come to mind is the mathematical ability of the faculty, and not their ethnic or cultural background.

 

[Jarhyn]

This is what you said:

He's making a jab affirmative action, which in the case of Asians, throttles their entry into academia because academia functions best when there's a good mixture of everyone they can get from every background.

What does this mean? What is your measure for academia 'functioning best'? For whom does it function best? The academics? The administrators? The students? Non-students?

And is discrimination by race a price worth paying for this alleged 'best' functioning? Why?

This diversity is beneficial because people widely distributed across any error surface means a more likely position at a perspective point that will have visibility on the solution.

The general proof of Fermat's last theorem was solved by Andrew Wiles, working alone and in near-total secrecy for seven years. The "perspectives" he needed were the prior contributions of extraordinarily gifted mathematicians, not a particular ethnic distribution of students and academics.

If somebody were to ask me what would determine the success of a mathematics department, the first thing that would come to mind is the mathematical ability of the faculty, and not their ethnic or cultural background.

Your anecdote doesn't say anything against the notion that different cultures have different values, and people from different backgrounds tend to approach problems different ways.

Now, on the subject of math, we can fairly well ascertain that due to the rule of large numbers, we can find a woman or a man or a black or a white that meets any given standard of intelligence: that all populations are capable of producing the same level of output in terms of raw mathematical skill. This is also borne out by the fact that between group variations are smaller than within-group variations.

As to what important impacts having people from all manner of backgrounds within the subject of mathematics brings, let's look at the impacts of getting more women in math: we now have widespread acknowledgement that engineering (a common pursuit for those who have math degrees), too often engineering is done targeting "the average male. As such, this leads women to have higher fatalities in car accidents. Of course, without math (and other STEM) degrees being offered to people who are likely to have an interest in identifying some problem,to the extent that the field becomes full enough of such people that they get critical exposure, the issues go unheeded.

The same thing could be true in studying violence against black people. Of course, another important part of this is in sending the message that anyone from any background can succeed in math.

Because you have yet to establish in any way that the people finishing these degree programs are less qualified at the end of their degree, that an AA admissions degree program leads to an inferior graduate product.

 

[lpetrich]

Trump hasn't met with protesters or visited Minneapolis despite precedent - CNNPolitics

Trump has expressed his sympathies from within the heavily fortified White House gates, and invoked Floyd's name during an event focused on American jobs. He's posed for a photo at a church damaged by looters after peaceful demonstrators were cleared from the area with anti-riot deterrents, such as pepper balls. And he's held a roundtable with representatives of national law enforcement organizations, a Republican sheriff and two Republican attorneys general, to hear their side of the issue.

His Vice President has done more.

Vice President Mike Pence has held a series of listening sessions with members of the African American community.

So far, these carefully curated events have not included Floyd's family, Black Lives Matter organizers or national civil rights activists. Instead, they've been held in and around Washington, and the guests were black conservatives, spiritual leaders and Washington-area community leaders. One guest, Candace Owens, has said Floyd was "an example of a violent criminal his entire life, up until the very last moment," that he shouldn't be held up as a martyr and that he "was not a good person."

Philonise Floyd details the difference between his phone calls with Trump and Biden - CNNPolitics

"The vice president, I loved his conversation. He talked to me for like 10 [or] 15 minutes. And I was trying to talk his ear off because he was talking to me constantly. Great conversation. But Trump, it lasted probably two minutes," he told CNN's Don Lemon when asked if he was able to share the pain of his brother's death with the President.

...
"He didn't give me an opportunity to even speak," Floyd said. "It was hard. I was trying to talk to him, but he just kept, like, pushing me off, like 'I don't want to hear what you're talking about.'

"And I just told him, I want justice. I said that I couldn't believe that they committed a modern-day lynching in broad daylight," he said.

"I asked Vice President Biden -- I never had to beg a man before -- but I asked him, could he please, please get justice for my brother," Floyd said.

"I need it. I do not want to see him on a shirt just like the other guys. Nobody deserved that. Black folk don't deserve that. We're all dying," he said. "Black lives matter."

Trump seems like a total dork.

 

[lpetrich]

Nicholas Kristof on Twitter: "This is a police force begging to be defunded." / Twitter
noting
Mother Jones on Twitter: "Some protesters, news crews, and medics in Minneapolis found themselves stranded after recent protests: The tires of their cars had been slashed.
Many assumed protesters were to blame. But videos reveal a different culprit: the police. (links)" / Twitter
noting
Videos Show Cops Slashing Car Tires at Protests in Minneapolis – Mother Jones

“We’re so busy, it’s just unbelievable,” said a tow truck driver in an interview from the K-Mart parking lot with Andrew Kimmel, formerly the head of BuzzFeed’s video team. The towing company had received “call after call after call.” Asked whose cars were being towed, the tow truck driver said, “Everybody. Medics over there. News crews. Random people that were just here to protest and—tires slashed.”

They had an excuse for that:

Update, 6/8/20: The Star Tribune has identified the officers puncturing tires as state troopers and deputies from the Anoka County Sheriff’s Office. The officers strategically deflated the tires to “stop behaviors such as vehicles driving dangerously and at high speeds in and around protesters and law enforcement,” said Minnesota Department of Public Safety spokesperson Bruce Gordon. The troopers reportedly targeted cars that “contained items used to cause harm during violent protests” such as rocks and concrete. The Anoka County Sheriff’s Lt. Andy Knotz said deputies were following directions from the state-led Multiagency Command Center.

T. Greg "Bouquet of F*ckery" Doucette on Twitter: " Los Angeles, CA: LAPD sharing a jovial chuckle with a white woman as she spraypaints a building to make it look like it was done by protestors. You can even hear police suggest she write "Floyd" too" / Twitter
[Original on IG @ [WALTER BRADY, MUST DIE on Instagram: “The cops were out here laughing with this white lady instructing her on what to tag on this building. If you listen closely towards the end they told her to add “Floyd.” What kind of shit is that? But of course this shit gone fall back on black people at the end of the day. Hate to see it.” ]