What should be done with the future Covid-19 Vaccine deniers?

[Jimmy Higgins]

Let me take a crack at it. But instead of giving my own opinion...

Libertarian Pauli Exclusion Principle at work.

, I will try to give an opinion that will fit in on this forum.

Those who do not voluntary line up to get the vaccine should not be allowed to hold jobs, shop at any public establishment, or receive any government assistance until they voluntarily line up to get the vaccine.

Does that sound right for this forum?

There is no happy solution to the problem of ignorant assholes who's actions can endanger the life of others. Firstly we'd need to know what percentage of vaccination would be required to reach herd immunity. Then we'd need to determine what percentage of Americans have legitimate (based on biology) reasons for not being capable of getting the vaccination.

Then determine how many assholes are out there and seeing if there is room for assholes.

This disease dived the globe into a Recession, so clearly, it is in the community's favor (by a huge amount) for mandatory vaccination if there is a vaccine, over individual liberty to be a selfish asshole. That likely means, I have no idea. The idea of sending someone to prison over a vaccine seems draconic. But allowing a bare minority of people to shove the globe into a recession because they idiots seems foolish.

 

[TSwizzle]

This disease dived the globe into a Recession,

No it didn't. The unnecessarily prolonged lockdown is what is killing the economy.

The idea of sending someone to prison over a vaccine seems draconic. But allowing a bare minority of people to shove the globe into a recession because they idiots seems foolish.

The vast, VAST majority of people suffer next to no symptoms from Covid 19, etc.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This disease dived the globe into a Recession,

No it didn't. The unnecessarily prolonged lockdown is what is killing the economy.

You are not remembering the health care crisis that effectively shut down the country because we didn't keep people at home, the whole irony of because they didn't shutdown the economy, the economy shut down even harder with the added bonus of people dying because they couldn't seek emergency care at hospitals because they ran out of supplies, beds, and space.

You are speaking of a false dichotomy. If NYC doesn't shut down, who the hell knows where NYC is at this point. We saw what was happening in NYC. Now it is rev'ing up in multiple cities in the South, limiting available beds within 100 miles of a person's home.

The idea of sending someone to prison over a vaccine seems draconic. But allowing a bare minority of people to shove the globe into a recession because they idiots seems foolish.

The vast, VAST majority of people suffer next to no symptoms from Covid 19, etc.

Yup, and 5% of 10,000,000 people is 500,000. There are a total of 790,000 hospital beds in the US, and about additional 130,000 ICU beds for varying purposes. The US doesn't have the medical infrastructure to handle 500,000 cases of COVID-19 at the same time. It probably can't handle 200,000. We are already seeing health care rationing in multiple cities. Clearly, the health care system can be overrun by COVID-19. We saw it in NYC, we are seeing it in Phoenix, Miami, and Houston. The fact that 95% (or whatever the number is) of people that get COVID-19 don't need hospital care isn't as relevant as whatever percentage of asymptomatic people easily spreading the disease to those that will need hospitalization.

 

[TSwizzle]

You are not remembering the health care crisis that effectively shut down the country because we didn't keep people at home,

Male bovine excrement. The "health care crisis" happened in a few metropolitan areas, e.g. New York.

the whole irony of because they didn't shutdown the economy, the economy shut down even harder with the added bonus of people dying because they couldn't seek emergency care at hospitals because they ran out of supplies, beds, and space.

More than 50% of deaths occurred in long care facilities, people that actually were at home !! But were not protected because the fuckwits that run things are clueless.

Clearly, the health care system can be overrun by COVID-19.

Temporary hospitals were set up, here in CA we had a ship with hospital beds, never used, sent away recently. Nurses furloughed because there was no work, some spending their day making tik-tok videos.

#Curveflattened.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Maybe it's time to make two societies. All the racist, conspiracy theory mongers who don't get vaccinated or wear a mask can go live in Florida. Everyone else who believes in science can live in the rest of the USA.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Male bovine excrement. The "health care crisis" happened in a few metropolitan areas, e.g. New York.

Because of the shutdown! WIth the shutdown, a health care crisis would then shutdown the nation. But that didn't happen, because of the real shutdown, but you want to pretend everything would have been hunky dory without the shutdown. And now people in places like Houston might not be able to get medical treatment they need because of the rising cases there.

More than 50% of deaths occurred in long care facilities, people that actually were at home !! But were not protected because the fuckwits that run things are clueless.

We could have 0 deaths from here on out, and still have a health care overrun.

Temporary hospitals were set up, here in CA we had a ship with hospital beds, never used, sent away recently. Nurses furloughed because there was no work, some spending their day making tik-tok videos.

#Curveflattened.

#curveunflattened

 

[marc]

Maybe it's time to make two societies. All the racist, conspiracy theory mongers who don't get vaccinated or wear a mask can go live in Florida. Everyone else who believes in science can live in the rest of the USA.

Not Florida. They have DisneyWorld, and a few of my relatives. We can probably spare Mississippi, Alabama, and the Florida Panhandle. Make it the conservative utopia. Guarantee the rest of the country would start to improve. Plus think of the reality TV that would come out of watching the new confederacy try to act like a real country.

 

[TSwizzle]

Because of the shutdown! WIth the shutdown, a health care crisis would then shutdown the nation. But that didn't happen, because of the real shutdown, but you want to pretend everything would have been hunky dory without the shutdown.

Fuck off, I said no such thing.

 

[marc]

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Because of the shutdown! WIth the shutdown, a health care crisis would then shutdown the nation. But that didn't happen, because of the real shutdown, but you want to pretend everything would have been hunky dory without the shutdown.

Fuck off, I said no such thing.

The only other interpretation is that you seem to think a flattened curve can't grow anymore, but that would be a ridiculously ignorant thing to believe.

 

[marc]

Because of the shutdown! WIth the shutdown, a health care crisis would then shutdown the nation. But that didn't happen, because of the real shutdown, but you want to pretend everything would have been hunky dory without the shutdown.

Fuck off, I said no such thing.

Well, it is the only viable interpretation to what you are saying because getting rid of the shutdown restarts virus cases growth increase. You whine about the restrictions in California.

Or he believes it would become a disease ridden disaster area, and is fine with that because he doesn't believe he would be directly affected. Sort of like someone who doesn't care about flooding because they live on a hill and to hell with the rest of the city, it shouldn't waste money on storm barriers.

 

[TSwizzle]

Fuck off, I said no such thing.

The only other interpretation is that you seem to think a flattened curve can't grow anymore, but that would be a ridiculously ignorant thing to believe.

Again, fuck off, I said no such thing.

 

[TSwizzle]

Or he believes it would become a disease ridden disaster area, and is fine with that because he doesn't believe he would be directly affected.

Link to a post where I have said something even remotely close to that or fuck off.

Sort of like someone {snip waste of bandwidth}

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[Jimmy Higgins]

Fuck off, I said no such thing.

The only other interpretation is that you seem to think a flattened curve can't grow anymore, but that would be a ridiculously ignorant thing to believe.

Again, fuck off, I said no such thing.

You seem triggered. Need a safe space?

 

[TSwizzle]

Again, fuck off, I said no such thing.

You seem triggered. Need a safe space?

Nah, I'm good.

 

[ZiprHead]

Male bovine excrement. The "health care crisis" happened in a few metropolitan areas, e.g. New York.



More than 50% of deaths occurred in long care facilities, people that actually were at home !! But were not protected because the fuckwits that run things are clueless.

Clearly, the health care system can be overrun by COVID-19.

Temporary hospitals were set up, here in CA we had a ship with hospital beds, never used, sent away recently. Nurses furloughed because there was no work, some spending their day making tik-tok videos.

#Curveflattened.

Arizona is instituting crisis care, equivalent to battlefield triage. If you have ten patients that need ICU beds but only have three available, those other seven will die. These are the kinds of choices this disease is forcing onto physicians.They are saying that have never had to make these sorts of choices before in their lives.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/how-arizona-lost-control-of-the-epidemic/2020/06/25/f692a5a8-b658-11ea-aca5-ebb63d27e1ff_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_the_daily_202&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_daily202

I also noticed you used the #Curveflattened hashtag. There is nothing further from the truth.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Libertarian Pauli Exclusion Principle at work.

Your religious beliefs are irrelevant.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Let me take a crack at it. But instead of giving my own opinion, I will try to give an opinion that will fit in on this forum.

Those who do not voluntary line up to get the vaccine should not be allowed to hold jobs, shop at any public establishment, or receive any government assistance until they voluntarily line up to get the vaccine.

Does that sound right for this forum?

That's a good start. I also think that they should probably provide their own medical care to themselves. It's not fair to expose health care workers to their germs if they are so damn selfish that they won't get a vacinne.

I was hoping people would see that suggestion and react in horror, and tell me that's an extremist strawman of what people around here would believe.

 

[TSwizzle]

Arizona is instituting crisis care, equivalent to battlefield triage. If you have ten patients that need ICU beds but only have three available, those other seven will die. These are the kinds of choices this disease is forcing onto physicians.They are saying that have never had to make these sorts of choices before in their lives.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/how-arizona-lost-control-of-the-epidemic/2020/06/25/f692a5a8-b658-11ea-aca5-ebb63d27e1ff_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_the_daily_202&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_daily202

Highly speculative piece with a clickbait headline.

I also noticed you used the #Curveflattened hashtag. There is nothing further from the truth.

The hospitals can cope, that was the objective of the lockdown.

The vast, VAST majority of people that contract the Covid virus are just fine, probably never even knew they had it, etc.

 

[ZiprHead]

Arizona is instituting crisis care, equivalent to battlefield triage. If you have ten patients that need ICU beds but only have three available, those other seven will die. These are the kinds of choices this disease is forcing onto physicians.They are saying that have never had to make these sorts of choices before in their lives.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/how-arizona-lost-control-of-the-epidemic/2020/06/25/f692a5a8-b658-11ea-aca5-ebb63d27e1ff_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_the_daily_202&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_daily202

Highly speculative piece with a clickbait headline.

I notice you didn't dispute any of it.

I also noticed you used the #Curveflattened hashtag. There is nothing further from the truth.

The hospitals can cope, that was the objective of the lockdown.

The vast, VAST majority of people that contract the Covid virus are just fine, probably never even knew they had it, etc.

Yet you are against lockdowns. How does that work again?