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A Libertarian In The US Military Posted This

I'd like to thank the Libertarians for helping Biden win PA, GA, AZ. :)
 
Treedbear said:
Gun Nut said:
cycomiko said:
I assume by "economic Titan" he/she means that Trump is a wonderful business man. At that point, the discussion is over because they are living in crazy town.
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To this day, the Titanic sits at the bottom of the ocean... just like the American economy. ...
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As crowds of the faithful proudly gathered together singing "Nearer My God To Thee".
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Pfft.

As if Trump would let plumbers, pipe-fitters, and the like get any nearer to him than the servant's entrance at Mar-a-Lago.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
I'd like to thank the Libertarians for helping Biden win PA, GA, AZ. :)
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That's what I was thinking. JJ got more votes than (Biden) - (Trump) in all three states.

Unity Campfire #15: Bret Weinstein with Jo Jorgensen 10/21/2020 - YouTube

JJ seemed to have a one-track mind about how government is always bad, always causes trouble, you name it, and she often talked as if everybody is totally unconnected with everybody else.

Host Bret Weinstein brought up a case where we have to consider our effects on others: all-sports lakes. They end up being dominated by jet skiers, because jet skiers make those lakes unsafe for swimmers and canoers. JJ asked if those are government lakes.

She also stated the old canard of government owning something = nobody owning something.

About COVID-19, JJ applauded lockdown protestors, and she said that one can always go away from people who don't wear masks. Typical libertarian "let them eat cake" "solution". She did not address the issue of some store that mandates that its customers must wear masks. Someone who grumbles about government mask mandates, as she did, ought not to give property owners a pass on that.

She seemed to favor a night-watchman state with only military and police and courts and the like, but corruption, what JJ and BW were bellyaching about, can be a problem there also. Like bribing cops or judges.
 
The US military is 50/50 politically? Fuck me sideways with a rusty rail spike; you learn something new everyday.
 
Patooka said:
The US military is 50/50 politically? Fuck me sideways with a rusty rail spike; you learn something new everyday.
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It's more complicated than that. This article published shortly before the last midterm election lays it out pretty neatly, with some graphs:

Troops See Rising Political Tensions

Like many other unofficial voting consituencies (or "blocs") in the US, the military usually represents a subtle party of their own, looking after their own and each other's interests before any other political questions and being more therefore more likely to cross party lines on particular votes than the average voter would be. While overt party affiliations are not unheard of, they also aren't exactly encouraged by military culture, as unit cohesion has to come first before any other consideration and arguing about politics or religion is injurious to that. But it is said that, while less than half of the military claims any affiliation, political tensions within the military have been rising, and pro- and anti-Trump factions are present and causing trouble in novel ways. There were more troops planning to vote Republican in 2018, which is not unusual, in the past the military vote has tended to land somewhere near 2-1 in Republican favor. One interesting thing to note is the considerable gender disaprity - as in the nation at large, female soldiers are much more likely to back Democratic candidates.

I think I would have conflicted feelings about Trump if I were a military man myself (which thank God I am not!). He's no great leader. But, he has also been consistent about not starting any pointless wars with other nations, a rare quality in an American President, not seen since Carter. Who was also a one-term president, and that may not be a coincidence.
 
Angry Floof said:
Just another posturing, conscienceless social dominance tribalist.
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The OP's military libertarian? I must agree. Calling Trump an economic titan?

A lot of Trumpies seem to think that Trump is a genius at business management, and he has projected the image of having such genius. But the truth is VERY different.


Also, I was disappointed that Bret Weinstein didn't ask Jo Jorgensen about the bears of Grafton NH. The people of the town did not have a very effective response to those animals.
 
You know what I find strange? Most Libertarian cunts I know will go out of their way to be smug and point out when someone isn't being a "True Libertarian" (tm).

And yet, no one has made it their hill to die on that this OP doesn't reflect "True Libertarianism" (tm). Weird, huh?
 
lpetrich said:
Worldtraveller said:
Proving once again that libertarians are just gop that are afraid to admit that they are that morally bankrupt.
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There's an old joke that morons think that Libertarians are Republicans who smoke pot.
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There's also an old joke that Libertarians are Democrats who hate taxes. Same diff.
 
Jason Harvestdancer said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
I'd like to thank the Libertarians for helping Biden win PA, GA, AZ. :)
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Wait, I thought we always never had any impact on anything...
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It seems that we have an exception here: being a spoiler.

I won't be able to make a definitive assessment until all the counts are complete and certified, so I will work with in-progress counts, though they are now almost complete.
Since Jo Jorgensen consistently gets around 1% of the vote, I looked for states where the two major parties differed by comparable or smaller margins.

States where Biden won by less than 3%: NV, AZ, GA, PA, MI, WI

The WaPo's counts as of this writing:
  • NV: 6 EV's, JB-DT = 2.7%, JJ = 1.0%
  • MI: 16 EV's, JB-DT = 2.6%, JJ = 1.1%
  • PA: 20 EV's, JB-DT = 0.8%, JJ = 1.1%
  • WI: 10 EV's, JB-DT = 0.7% JJ = 1.2%
  • AZ: 11 EV's, JB-DT = 0.3%, JJ = 1.5%
  • GA: 16 EV's, JB-DT = 0.3%, JJ = 1.2%
Using current counts, JB has 306 electoral votes, DT 232.

If all of JJ's votes went to DT, then AZ, GA, PA, and WI, with 57 EV's, would have gone for DT, giving him 289 EV's. JB would have had 249 EV's. So Trump would have won.

If only half of JJ's votes went to DT, and the rest would have voted for neither major-party candidate, then only AZ and GA, with 27 EV's, would have gone for DT, giving him 259 EV's. JB would have had 279 EV's. So Biden would still have won.
 
I for one appreciate Libertarians to a certain degree; in majority-Republican regions, the socially acceptable but ideologically looser template of libertarianism often acts as a much needed home for conservatives of relative conscience. I mean libertarianism as I have encountered it in real communities, not so much the options of the corrupt and useless national party of the same name.

If they're voting for Trump, though, they can jump off a cliff. Anyone who would voluntarily give the country over to fascist ideology doesn't deserve to claim the concept of liberty as their central metaphor.
 
As I remember my classics, Titans (Cyclops) only had one eye. Trump to a tee. No ethics, just do things as if it would come to be by just wiping the perspiration off his brow. Zeus to you daddy-oh

Another way to read his Economic Titan statement is to ignore the fact that Obama did better from a worse position by far. Trump's tax give away returned nothing except debt. And now republicans are complaining we can't afford to give those hurting a hand in a time of real need.

With the self entitled it's just take take take.
 
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