"Protester" Misconduct Catch All Thread

[Derec]

No, they are not. Stop editing out the part where that is shown to be not fucking true. DHS is the top LE entity that deals with actual threats to our country and they are not concerned about your fantasy about "left wing extremists." The are, however, concerned about the very real threat of right wing extremists.

They are not fantasy, they are very real. Both left and right wing extremists are a problem. You ignoring the left wing extremists does not make them imaginary. In Portland and Seattle they have occupied actual territory. In Portland, they are still occupying it, and the pro-Antifa DA is unwilling to prosecute them.

Besides, I strongly believe that if #BLM hadn't been burning cities like Ferguson and Baltimore in 2014-2016, Trump would never have been elected. The last four years are on Patrice Cullors, Alicia Garza et al.

 

[Angry Floof]

No, they are not. Stop editing out the part where that is shown to be not fucking true. DHS is the top LE entity that deals with actual threats to our country and they are not concerned about your fantasy about "left wing extremists." The are, however, concerned about the very real threat of right wing extremists.

They are not fantasy, they are very real. You ignoring them does not make them imaginary. In Portland and Seattle they have occupied actual territory. In Portland, they are still occupying it, and the pro-Antifa DA is unwilling to prosecute them.

Besides, I strongly believe that if #BLM hadn't been burning cities like Ferguson and Baltimore in 2014-2016, Trump would never have been elected. The last four years are on Patrice Cullors, Alicia Garza et al.

Well, I'm the one with reality on my side, Derec. I'm not the one ignoring DHS and the FBI and thousands of incidents of violence by right wing morons. For every "incident" you think you can present as "left wing violence," there are hundreds or more instances of right wing extremism in the U.S. You are a parody of yourself.

 

[Derec]

Well, I'm the one with reality on my side, Derec. I'm not the one ignoring DHS and the FBI and thousands of incidents of violence by right wing morons. For every "incident" you think you can present as "left wing violence," there are hundreds or more instances of right wing extremism in the U.S. You are a parody of yourself.

Really? Right wing extremists are occupying territory in hundreds of cities?


Portland Autonomous Zone Is ‘Stockpiling Weapons,’ Has Armed Patrols, Police Say

You are not even a parody any more. You are a character in a sad farce.

Extremism is bad no matter which side it's coming from. A Trump supporter sending bombs is bad, but so is a Bernie supporter shooting up a Congressional baseball game. To ignore left-wing extremist violence just because you agree with their extreme politics is hypocritical.

 

[Angry Floof]

Oh, my goodness. Look at all that overwhelming evidence that "left wing extremists" are way worse that the well known threat of white supremacists.

Derec, you better get that evidence to DHS pronto!

 

[Derec]

Oh, my goodness. Look at all that overwhelming evidence that "left wing extremists" are way worse that the well known threat of white supremacists.
Derec, you better get that evidence to DHS pronto!

I say both sides are bad. You say only one side is bad. That means you are siding with left wing extremists and all the destruction and mayhem they are causing and advocating. Period.

 

[Angry Floof]

Oh, my goodness. Look at all that overwhelming evidence that "left wing extremists" are way worse that the well known threat of white supremacists.
Derec, you better get that evidence to DHS pronto!

I say both sides are bad. You say only one side is bad. That means you are siding with left wing extremists and all the destruction and mayhem they are causing and advocating. Period.

No, I say one side is by far much worse, and the threat of that side is the inevitable result of authoritarian ideological disease.

But again, Derec, if you really think there is anything nearly as dangerous on "the left," you better get all that overwhelming evidence to DHS immediately. If you don't, then shame on you for not protecting your country!

 

[Derec]

No, I say one side is by far much worse, and the threat of that side is the inevitable result of authoritarian ideological disease.

I think the two types of threats are very different. Left wing extremists have a lot of power in big cities, especially on the Left Coats and have allies in high position of power. People like Mike Schmidt or Chesa Boudin that have the power to not pursue charges against left-wingers.

Right-wing extremists are more exurban and rural.

I think both sides are very dangerous, but they are difficult to compare because they present very different types of threats.

But again, Derec, if you really think there is anything nearly as dangerous on "the left," you better get all that overwhelming evidence to DHS immediately. If you don't, then shame on you for not protecting your country!

Oh the feds know. That's why there are many federal prosecutions over the George Floyd and other left-wing #BLM/Antifa riots for federal offenses involving explosives or arson. But federal authorities can only get involved if certain legal criteria are met. Unfortunately local and state authorities are often very lenient with left-wing extremist violence. See Portland letting the occupation go on for months and the DA dismissing all charges against these extremists.

 

[Angry Floof]

No, I say one side is by far much worse, and the threat of that side is the inevitable result of authoritarian ideological disease.

I think the two types of threats are very different. Left wing extremists have a lot of power in big cities, especially on the Left Coats and have allies in high position of power. People like Mike Schmidt or Chesa Boudin that have the power to not pursue charges against left-wingers.

Right-wing extremists are more exurban and rural.

I think both sides are very dangerous, but they are difficult to compare because they present very different types of threats.

But again, Derec, if you really think there is anything nearly as dangerous on "the left," you better get all that overwhelming evidence to DHS immediately. If you don't, then shame on you for not protecting your country!

Oh the feds know. That's why there are many federal prosecutions over the George Floyd riot for federal offenses involving explosives or riots. But federal authorities can only get involved if certain legal criteria are met. Unfortunately local and state authorities are often very lenient with left-wing extremist violence. See Portland letting the occupation go on for months and the DA dismissing all charges against these extremists.

That's a lot of tap dancing and twisting. "The left" just is not a fucking threat to this country. It's only a threat to right wing extremism. Without right wing extremism, there would be no antifa. It's not rocket science. There is a reason that people who are not hate mongering zealots get upset and will fight the crap out of movements that are!

Again, you better get your evidence to DHS, Derec. Do you hate America or something? Seems downright treasonous to not do what you can to help DHS to protect America if you have information they don't.

 

[Derec]

That's a lot of tap dancing and twisting. "The left" just is not a fucking threat to this country. It's only a threat to right wing extremism.

Nope. Both kinds of extremism are a threat.

Without right wing extremism, there would be no antifa.

Not true. Antifa, short for Antifaschistische Aktion, was started by the German Communist Party as a paramilitary organ. They oppose anything to the right of communism as "fascism".


On the other hand, without left-wing extremists rioting and burning down cities like Ferguson, Baltimore, Milwaukee or Charlotte between 2014 and 2016 I very much doubt Trump could have been elected.

It's not rocket science. There is a reason that people who are not hate mongering zealots get upset and will fight the crap out of movements that are!

Antifas are hatemongering zealots. It's just that they are hatemongering zealots of the far left.

Again, ...

Again, feds are aware. But they can only act when there is a violation of federal law. For right and left wing extremists alike.

 

[Angry Floof]

No, they are not. Remove the authoritarian right wing extremism and you have no "left wing extremism."

Antifa does not exist without right wing extremism. It's a direct response to right wing extremism.

Right wing extremism is not a response to left wing anything. It's a response to authority worshiping religion, ignorance, fear mongering, prejudice, fear of anything not conforming to the in-group, and any authority willing to give it legitimacy.

To regard white supremacy/right wing extremism as anything like a response to left wing anything, you have to have fear and hate mongers hijacking the ignorance and prejudice of people not equipped for rational reasoning and telling them "THEY are evil and will come and take all your stuff and try to kill you, etc., etc." You have to drink the koolaid to believe the whole world outside your ingroup is out to get you.

Regardless of whatever problems may exist in "left wing" thinking, which consists of openness to new experiences and new people and new ideas, willingness to question authority and hold it accountable, etc., those problems don't even come close to those weak ass, stunted human cognitive traits that give rise to right wing extremism, religious or political.

And one thing right wing morons always forget (always!) is that people of humane values and principles, who are not scared of everyfuckingthing, who are not prejudiced against everyone outside their immediate group, will always fight back. We fought back in WWII, the U.S. Civil War, and numerous other times and places in history.

Right wing idiots love to believe that we are cowards for not making animal brain violence Plan A in any situation, but how would they recognize someone who isn't afraid of them at all but is not willing to commit violence willy nilly? They push and push because they don't have any better grasp of boundaries than infants, and we eventually hand them their asses. Unfortunately, they usually create untold suffering and atrocity first, as our current American right wing extremists are doing their best to accomplish as we speak.

Not that you would be honest about any of this. After all, how would you recognize anyone who doesn't think in the most stunted, black and white terms about the world around them? If you could, you'd have the humanity to stop supporting the worst of human behavior in the world.

And "antifa" means anti-fascist. Come on. That's a pretty desperate reach there.

 

[ZiprHead]

Multiple people stabbed after thousands gather for pro-Trump demonstrations in Washington

Thousands of maskless rallygoers who refuse to accept the results of the election turned downtown Washington into a falsehood-filled spectacle Saturday, two days before the electoral college will make the president’s loss official.

In smaller numbers than their gathering last month, they roamed from the Capitol to the Mall and back again, seeking inspiration from speakers who railed against the Supreme Court, Fox News and President-elect Joe Biden. The crowds cheered for recently pardoned former national security adviser Michael Flynn, marched with conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and stood in awe of a flyover from what appeared to be Marine One.

But at night, the scene became violent. At least four people were stabbed near Harry’s Bar at 11th and F streets NW, a gathering point for the Proud Boys, a male-chauvinist organization with ties to white nationalism.

The violence escalated after an evening of faceoffs with counterprotesters that took place near Harry’s, Black Lives Matter Plaza, Franklin Square, and other spots around downtown.

At first, officers in riot gear successfully kept the two sides apart, even as the groups splintered and roamed. In helmets and bulletproof vests, Proud Boys marched through downtown in militarylike rows, shouting “move out” and “1776!” They became increasingly angry as they wove through streets and alleys, only to find police continuously blocking their course with lines of bikes.

“Both sides of the aisle hate you now. Congratulations,” a Proud Boy shouted at the officers.

 

[Elixir]

One Person Shot as Clashes Erupt at Pro-Trump Protest in Washington State

Thank GAWD there was minimal property damage!
This thread seems not to be working out the way the OP had hoped...

 

[Derec]

No, they are not. Remove the authoritarian right wing extremism and you have no "left wing extremism."

That is bullshit. For example, Communists took over Russia before Nazis took over Germany or Fascists took over Italy.
And without Communist Russia, there probably would not have been a rise of Nazis to power, as the German establishment only reluctantly backed Hitler because they feared the Communists next door.

Antifa does not exist without right wing extremism. It's a direct response to right wing extremism.

Nope. They oppose anything that is not left-wing extremist. The OG Antifa was a paramilitary organ of the German Communist Party (KPD). The revived German Antifa of the 80s opposed the democratic (but also capitalist) West Germany, not any "right wing extremists".

Right wing extremism is not a response to left wing anything. It's a response to authority worshiping religion, ignorance, fear mongering, prejudice, fear of anything not conforming to the in-group, and any authority willing to give it legitimacy.

As if left wing extremists don't have in-group/out-group thing too. Give me a break!

You have to drink the koolaid to believe the whole world outside your ingroup is out to get you.

That's pretty much Antifa ideology to a t!

Regardless of whatever problems may exist in "left wing" thinking, which consists of openness to new experiences and new people and new ideas, willingness to question authority and hold it accountable, etc., those problems don't even come close to those weak ass, stunted human cognitive traits that give rise to right wing extremism, religious or political.

LMAO! That is a very, uhm, fictional, view of left-wing extremism.

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And "antifa" means anti-fascist. Come on. That's a pretty desperate reach there.

I know what it means. It's not about their name. It's about their ideology. It's about their history. They view anybody not part of their in-group as "fascist".

 

[Derec]

Multiple people stabbed after thousands gather for pro-Trump demonstrations in Washington

And we do not know yet who stabbed whom. In any case, pox on both left and right wing extremists!

“Both sides of the aisle hate you now. Congratulations,” a Proud Boy shouted at the officers.

That's what I have been saying. The two extremist groups are really very much alike.

 

[Derec]

One Person Shot as Clashes Erupt at Pro-Trump Protest in Washington State

People should not be shooting others (unless in self defense). It looks like the Antifas escalated the situation to physical violence by spraying the PBs with mace. Which is a crime.

This thread seems not to be working out the way the OP had hoped...

Oh, I never expected people like Angry Floof and you to not be hypocrites. I fully expected you to ignore/try to justify left wing violence and misconduct.

 

[Elixir]

...looks like the Antifas escalated the situation to physical violence ..... I fully expected you to ignore/try to justify left wing violence and misconduct.

... I don't suppose you even see what you did there.

 

[Derec]

...looks like the Antifas escalated the situation to physical violence ..... I fully expected you to ignore/try to justify left wing violence and misconduct.

... I don't suppose you even see what you did there.

I never said PBs and other rightist don't engage in violence too. Or that they are not a bunch of no-good extremists. So I am very different from you, AF et al who support left-wing extremists (#BLM, Antifa).

But in the case of the Olympia shooting, it looks like Antifa escalated and PBs were retreating according to your own damn source!

As pro-Trump demonstrators and some of the Proud Boys retreated to their vehicles, they were confronted by a large group of counter-protesters, some of whom sprayed mace. That is when a fleeing protester fired a gun towards the crowd, hitting a counter-protester in the abdomen. The counter-protester was transported to a hospital but no further details were immediately available.

Macing fleeing people is escalation to physical violence, no matter who does it.

By the way, what is your opinion about the left-wing occupation in Portland, ostensibly with the goal to help a "sovereign citizen" not have to pay his mortgage?

 

[GenesisNemesis]

I'll repeat it again. If 200k+ Americans dying because of a pandemic isn't a problem, then Antifa isn't a problem either, considering how few people are affected by Antifa's actions.

 

[Elixir]

I never said PBs and other rightist don't engage in violence too.

Of course. You just wail about property damage.

I'll repeat it again. If 200k+ Americans dying because of a pandemic isn't a problem, then Antifa isn't a problem either, considering how few people are affected by Antifa's actions.

If there was such a thing as "antifa's actions" that would be a very salient point.
I don't believe there is any organized leftist group that corresponds to "proud boys" or any of the right wing extremist so-called militias. Certainly none advocating violence against people the way they do.

By the way, what is your opinion about the left-wing occupation in Portland, ostensibly with the goal to help a "sovereign citizen" not have to pay his mortgage?

I'd very much like to take one or two of their properties off the hands of whoever is holding the notes they are defaulting on.
Wish I could do more - I love Portland!

 

[Angry Floof]

What else would you expect from people who are violent at the drop of a hat when they don't get their way or when someone is black or people around the world don't obey the right wing moron god or the right wing moron king dickwad or whatever?