When it's a right winger, they get a hard hitting opponent journalist trying to rip them apart.
Guess you don't get FOX on cable in Copenhagen...
When it's a right winger, they get a hard hitting opponent journalist trying to rip them apart.
I agree with this.
I agree with a small part of it. It is a right-wing talking point, though, to call "the media" the stuff it is being called. There isn't really a monolithic media and it is most often conservative snowflakes who rail against "the media" or "mainstream media" as if it is one leftist entity. I'd say that many of the criticisms could rationally be lodged against CNN in particular. Much of the infotainment is also conservative-biased and pushing outright lies to support Trump.
Full stop. Trump wasn't a political outsider. He was a political elite. He was being groomed to be a politician for decades and he was donating to campaigns and going to elite parties with politicians for decades. Prior to all that his father was politically connected and that grew into connections for Donald like Roy Cohn and Roger Stone.Trump's popularity, as I see it, came from him being a political outsider, ...
When it's a right winger, they get a hard hitting opponent journalist trying to rip them apart.
Guess you don't get FOX on cable in Copenhagen...
If that was true, why did he behave like such an idiot?
There was an interview on NPR with a Red Hat who had slowly gone far right. She noted that the people she talked to didn't know about those huge peace treaties Trump was responsible for with Israel.Actual cases. Examples. If this is so blatant, point to a single, verifiable instance where an important news fact of something good Trump did was not carried by any media, or at least not by the 'left's' media.Every news piece written supresses some information. That's their jobs. To sift out and decide what is relevant to report on and what isn't. And every news piece slants the story one way or another. And they all tell a story. Some stories, as they are happening, don't have a coherrent narrative yet, so the journalist needs to make one up to make the story readable. So that's no evidence of much.
It's more like, when angry minorities or feminists are on TV they are given soft ball questions by a crony journalist. When it's a right winger, they get a hard hitting opponent journalist trying to rip them apart. I'm not saying right wing journalism doesn't do this as well. Fox News is absolutely rediculous. It's just that there's more leftist media. It's all completely dominant now. And that's a problem for democracy IMHO.
There people have no idea what they are talking about, and then use whatever they can to justify their position. The fact is, those three "peace" deals were in fact reported by the media. It is why every one here knows about them.
There seems to this issue that the press was antagonistic with Trump. Well, they were, in the sense that Trump kept doing crazy shit. We have a thread dedicated to the simple stupid. Then there was all the illegal shit.
What good did Trump do? He didn't accomplish much in office! All of the accomplishments were judicial and that was McConnell's doing, and then there was the gargantuan tax cut. That was it. Otherwise, he was being played, illegal tariffs, not shutting up about the fucking wall, renegotiating NAFTA with Mexico alone and screwing with Canada (our largest trade partner)...
It was one damn thing after the other. Three impeachable events! Russia investigation obstruction, Ukraine, Inciting a Riot at the Capitol Bldg.
Trump didn't fix health care, didn't even try. No free trade deals with anyone. No long-term trade fixes with China. He made things worse with Iran. Made a mess in North Korea. The media didn't fail to report good stuff, there was very little good stuff!
If that was true, why did he behave like such an idiot?
Because HE IS A FUCKING IDIOT.
That is a huge component of his usefulness to bad people who have two or three times his IQ.
It is unlikely that you have ever met ANYONE more than three years of age who can be more easily manipulated.
...he was a terrible president AND the news was biased against him, making him look worse.
Trump couldn't follow even those simple rules. Which to me suggests that's he's not a product of a political elite.
If that was true, why did he behave like such an idiot?
Because HE IS A FUCKING IDIOT.
That is a huge component of his usefulness to bad people who have two or three times his IQ.
It is unlikely that you have ever met ANYONE more than three years of age who can be more easily manipulated.
Politicians are often idiots. They still look good on TV because they're media trained and know how to say shit so it doesn't blow up in their faces. Trump couldn't follow even those simple rules. Which to me suggests that's he's not a product of a political elite.
...he was a terrible president AND the news was biased against him, making him look worse.
First of all, the idiot mobster is still "president", so using the past tense is not justifiable.
But to your assertion:
If anything, "the media" has perennially whitewashed his stupidity, cruelty and selfishness because it is "unseemly" to criticize the Commander in Chief so harshly.
It would be nearly impossible to make him look as bad as he actually is, let alone "worse".
Clearly I didn't miss the point as I argued that it wasn't enough to say Trump was bad... I noted that there was almost no good from his Presidency. You can't report good where it doesn't exist. This is the stupid argument Sec of Def Rumsfeld used when the insurrection was growing in Iraq. He stated the press wasn't reporting on the schools getting built and painted... and rather concentrated on the violence... which truth be told was the actual problem and led to the deaths of over 100,000 Iraqis.There was an interview on NPR with a Red Hat who had slowly gone far right. She noted that the people she talked to didn't know about those huge peace treaties Trump was responsible for with Israel.
There people have no idea what they are talking about, and then use whatever they can to justify their position. The fact is, those three "peace" deals were in fact reported by the media. It is why every one here knows about them.
There seems to this issue that the press was antagonistic with Trump. Well, they were, in the sense that Trump kept doing crazy shit. We have a thread dedicated to the simple stupid. Then there was all the illegal shit.
What good did Trump do? He didn't accomplish much in office! All of the accomplishments were judicial and that was McConnell's doing, and then there was the gargantuan tax cut. That was it. Otherwise, he was being played, illegal tariffs, not shutting up about the fucking wall, renegotiating NAFTA with Mexico alone and screwing with Canada (our largest trade partner)...
It was one damn thing after the other. Three impeachable events! Russia investigation obstruction, Ukraine, Inciting a Riot at the Capitol Bldg.
Trump didn't fix health care, didn't even try. No free trade deals with anyone. No long-term trade fixes with China. He made things worse with Iran. Made a mess in North Korea. The media didn't fail to report good stuff, there was very little good stuff!
You're missing my point. I agree that Trump was a horrible president. That's not the issue here. Me (and Weinstein) am arguing that he was a terrible president AND the news was biased against him, making him look worse.
You need to defend this baseless claim. Find me the good that Trump did and the media that twisted it.Just look at any news reporting on him. They're all written like jokes, where what he did is the punchline.
...he was a terrible president AND the news was biased against him, making him look worse.
First of all, the idiot mobster is still "president", so using the past tense is not justifiable.
But to your assertion:
If anything, "the media" has perennially whitewashed his stupidity, cruelty and selfishness because it is "unseemly" to criticize the Commander in Chief so harshly.
It would be nearly impossible to make him look as bad as he actually is, let alone "worse".
We disagree on this.
I think there is a leftist media conspiracy, of the simple reason that journalism is a humanities subject and humanities people are overwhelmingly leftist. Leftists are, overall, better writers, and will therefore get more media attention (even when wrong). When Trump says there's a media conspiracy against him, I agree with that. The fact that he's an utter moron who deserves most of the negative things written against him, doesn't make the conspiracy against him any less real. Both can be true.
You need to defend this baseless claim. Find me the good that Trump did and the media that twisted it.Just look at any news reporting on him. They're all written like jokes, where what he did is the punchline.
Yes. Trump had two or three "This is the day he became President." media moments.You need to defend this baseless claim. Find me the good that Trump did and the media that twisted it.Just look at any news reporting on him. They're all written like jokes, where what he did is the punchline.
Closest i can think of is his second response to Charlottesville.
His first response gave too much credit to the Neanderthals. Almost sounded like he was on their side.
Second response started to sound like he was on side with the righteous.
The media was all over the second response, lauding his leadership, encouraging him to take the right side, using phrases like "Trump finally started sounding Presidential today..."
Oh. Wait, that's not what you asked for. That, i got nothin'.
We disagree on this.
Funny... I just had a three day discussion/argument with a longtime facebook friend in New Zealand. He has been cautioning me not to infer Trump's malign intent. I have been telling him that the close-up view reveals his evil intent without question. But he has insisted that I was jumping to conclusions. Up until yesterday, that is. Last night, he messaged "I take back everything I said".
Apparently the media has been far too easy on Trump and only the most blatantly heinous acts can convince people looking from afar that he is truly a stupid, malicious sociopath.
You're in Sweden, right?
Yeah. God, they wanted him to succeed. Or at least rise to the level of 'not incompetent.'Yes. Trump had two or three "This is the day he became President." media moments.
When it's a right winger, they get a hard hitting opponent journalist trying to rip them apart.
Guess you don't get FOX on cable in Copenhagen...
Fox isn't news IMHO. It's parody. They're not even trying. Quality fact checked news is quality news, no matter if it's leftist or conservative. I'm not aware of a single quality conservative news outlet. Today they all seem to be left. That's a problem for democracy.
Even in our wildest dreams, we thought the worst part of his run would be graft and adherence to Putin's demands. We got that and a lot more!Yeah. God, they wanted him to succeed. Or at least rise to the level of 'not incompetent.'Yes. Trump had two or three "This is the day he became President." media moments.
But even the hope of that died, didn't it?
There is no defense of Trump. None. Nada. He's an incompetent, corrupt, mentally deranged man. Sometimes I pity him because he is a victim of mental illness. Still, it's hard to pity a sociopath.
It's the people who enabled him and put their power before the interests of the majority of the American people who have some explaining to do. Just like other autocratic leaders before him, he had a way of manipulating people.
Some supported him for their own selfish reasons, as he helped lower taxes on the wealthiest among us. Some supported him because they didn't know any better or they felt that they were being diminished by highly educated progressives and Trump was their payback. Some supported him because he promised them conservative judges that might be able to overturn things like the right of women to continue to have reproductive freedom. Some knew him from reality tv, and they had become fans of his based on his tv show. And there were even some men who were caught up in the machismo or macho thing. That group probably saw him as the alpha male, who would rescue men from feminism.
In the end, there is nothing to defend. He caused more division in an already fragile democracy than I've seen in my lifetime. Sorry, but I find any defense of Trump to be unwarranted.
So you don't think there was any reasonable motivation for anybody voting Trump over Hillary? Was it simply the fact that half of all Americans are evil and corrupt that led to him being elected? While it's seductive to see him as a great showman and manipulator, I can't see it. The man is clearly an idiot, incapable of deception. His attempts to manipulate various votings all backfired spectacularly. I think he won because most Americans disliked Hillary more. It's interesting to discuss, why that is? She was obviously competent at the job. She had the brains and experience. So a distrust of her abilities wasn't it.
I think it's worth bringing up cancel culture and woke. Today the left control the public discourse to the point where we can bully anybody out of a platform. We are threatening free speech. It is a real problem today. A problem that we in the left have created. That is a real thing. Even me, a lefty, find that objectionable and something I want to fight against. Biden has even promised to stop fake news and such. While I dislike fake news, I dislike attempts to stop it more. At least Trump wasn't going to do that. I understand his appeal. I would never support him. I think he's evil incarnate. But I still understand why he has allies.