"Protester" Misconduct Catch All Thread

[J842P]

I oppose destructive riots regardless the cause, but rioting in response to the objective fact of cops murdering people in the streets is, by any sane defensible ethical system, more understandable and less immoral than rioting because you oppose other people's right to vote and want to destroy the democratic system that deposed your criminal, white supremacist, cult leader despot.

Most of the riots were not in response to anybody getting "murdered". Michael Brown wasn't murdered. Freddie Grey wasn't murdered. Both led to very destructive rioting in 2014. Keith Scott had a gun, not a book, when he was shot by police. His family incited the riots in Charlotte in 2016 through racist lies.

All the BLM related protests were in response to 500 years of government authorities threatening, assaulting, killing black people with impunity. To pretend that the reaction was to soley the immediately preceding incident is either the the epitome of dangerous stupidity or blatant dishonesty (or both).

So, then it isn't to people being murdered in the streets?

 

[J842P]

A yo Derec! My Man! Wassup! If that was a group of black people the police would have every right to fear for their lives and use deadly force right? Why aren't they?

If this was a group of Antifas/BLMers of any race in Seattle or Portland the DA would drop all charges.

If this were in Portland or Seattle, they by definition wouldn't be storming the Capitol, interrupting a session of Congress and trying to prevent the lawful transfer of power.

If, however, a black mob had tried to do what they did (say in 2016 as Obama's term was ending), there sure as hell would be dozens dead in the street before anyone enters the halls, and no selfies with police either.

Sure as hell? How do you know?

 

[Jarhyn]

If this were in Portland or Seattle, they by definition wouldn't be storming the Capitol, interrupting a session of Congress and trying to prevent the lawful transfer of power.

If, however, a black mob had tried to do what they did (say in 2016 as Obama's term was ending), there sure as hell would be dozens dead in the street before anyone enters the halls, and no selfies with police either.

Sure as hell? How do you know?

We know because when so much as a single racist statue was threatened with mere property damage, they posted armed guards in full tacticool to point guns at anyone who was brown? Just a guess here.

 

[J842P]

If this were in Portland or Seattle, they by definition wouldn't be storming the Capitol, interrupting a session of Congress and trying to prevent the lawful transfer of power.

If, however, a black mob had tried to do what they did (say in 2016 as Obama's term was ending), there sure as hell would be dozens dead in the street before anyone enters the halls, and no selfies with police either.

Sure as hell? How do you know?

We know because when so much as a single racist statue was threatened with mere property damage, they posted armed guards in full tacticool to point guns at anyone who was brown? Just a guess here.

So, you don't know.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

*There are large blank spaces above and below the images of the four women. If they are images of men paired with mined quotes that my computer simply hasn't loaded then I retract my last question.

***ETA: Pelosi: "I Don't Even Know Why There Aren't Uprisings All Over The Country" Over Migrant Child Separation

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REPORTER: Speaker Ryan just said that he's not comfortable with the separation of children and their parents at the border. He said that legislation is the best way to deal with that. Do you agree with him, that legislation is the best approach? And have you talked to him about that legislation, and the possible (inaudible)?

HOUSE MINORITY LEADER REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA): No.

And let me say this: First of all, this was act of the administration. They had been planning this for a while.

As a mother of five children, grandmother of nine, I'm sure any parents here, mother or father, knows that this is barbaric. This is not what America is. But this is the policy of the Trump administration. And the -- they can -- they've put down this practice, and they take it back.

And what they say to me is, "These mothers should never have taken their children across the desert, so they broke the law trying to get them into the U.S., so they're criminals. We're separating their children from the parent."

Do they have any idea the impact on families, on children? Probably -- well, maybe they do, maybe they don't. Maybe they don't care.

But the fact is, they should know, and they should lift this policy that they have just put down -- that they put down. They've been cooking it up for a while.

Never mind to them, when we say these moms took these children, these parents took these children to escape possible death, rape, gang violence where they live, and they have no alternative but to try to seek asylum in the United States. No, that -- they know better. They -- they said these words: "We know better. We know how to take care of children. We're taking them away from their parents. We'll put them in foster homes or someplace."

We had a moms' summit here. I don't know if some -- well, maybe you came, or you didn't, but maybe you saw it -- a moms' summit here right around Mother's Day, and we talked about health of children. We talked about a number of subjects.

But on the health of children, Dr. Nadine Burke from the San Francisco Bay area, an expert on all this, told us that when you add stress -- we weren't talking about this subject. We were talking about stress for children in general. When you increase the stress on children the way so many subjects have, whether it's hunger or homelessness and the rest, you are changing -- you have -- can have the impact of changing their DNA.

Think of the stress of these children. They take a baby away from a nursing mother. They tell someone, you're going to -- "We're going to give the baby a shower or a bath," and then they take the baby, put them in a car seat, and drive them away. This is not normal. In fact, it's barbaric. It has to stop.

Now, what they're saying is, "Well, we'll find a way not to separate them." One of their ways not to separate the children is not to let them even seek asylum, which is a right that people have in the world, to seek asylum. So that's not a solution. The solution is not to tear children from their parents.

Don't stick peas up your nose. Don't stick a stick in your ear. What is it that they don't get about how stupid and wrong and immoral, and a -- and the Catholic Conference of Bishops, in their statement when they said, "At its core, asylum is an instrument to preserve the right to life. The attorney general's recent decision elicits deep concerns, because it potentially strips asylum for many women who lack adequate protection." It close -- they closed by saying, "While protecting our borders is important, we can and we must do better -- must do better as a government and as a society to find other ways to ensure that safety -- that safety. Separating babies from their mothers is not the answer, and is immoral."

So the casual attitude that they're having about this: "Oh, no, we don't like that." The administration -- they can weigh in with the administration and stop it on a dime, and not wait for some concoction that really doesn't address the immorality of our lack of asylum.

When we had a hearing on a subject related to this, asylum-seeker refugees, et cetera, the American -- the Association of Evangelicals -- the evangelicals -- testified that asylum -- refugees, asylum, that is the -- they called it the crown jewel of America's humanitarianism.

Crown jewel of American humanitarianism. And in order to do away with that crown jewel, they're doing away with children being with their moms.

This is -- I -- I just don't even know why there aren't uprisings all over the country. And maybe there will be, when people realize that this is a policy that they defend.

It's a horrible thing, and I don't see any prospect for legislation here.

Hmmm.

Off to a predictable start. I don't see much point in continuing.

Thanks for at least confirming the continued misquoting of Democrats to justify far right-wing violence. It has become tiresome to continually debunk right-wing lies on Memes that get spread online.

 

[Elixir]

So, you don't know.

Projection.
You don't know that the nose on your face is still there, any better than we know that a black mob would have incurred lethal force.

 

[J842P]

So, you don't know.

Projection.
You don't know that the nose on your face is still there, any better than we know that a black mob would have incurred lethal force.

That's just absurd. I know my nose is on my face through direct observation. You are claiming your *assumption* about a counterfactual is knowledge that you are certain of.

We saw many mobs which included many black people during the summer that didn't incur lethal force, certainly not dozens dead on the streets.

 

[Elixir]

So, you don't know.

Projection.
You don't know that the nose on your face is still there, any better than we know that a black mob would have incurred lethal force.

That's just absurd. I know my nose is on my face through direct observation.

I know a black mob would be treated with violence FROM DIRECT OBSERVATIONS.
Check your nose again - that's easy. You can do it any time.
I'll have to await the next violent response to a black mob to again observe what I have observed first hand, repeatedly, FOR OVER 50 years.
That's the only difference.

 

[J842P]

That's just absurd. I know my nose is on my face through direct observation.

I know a black mob would be treated with violence FROM DIRECT OBSERVATIONS.
Check your nose again - that's easy. You can do it any time.
I'll have to await the next violent response to a black mob to again observe what I have observed first hand, repeatedly, FOR OVER 50 years.
That's the only difference.

So, you can name the incident from the summer where dozens of BLM protesters were killed? Should be easy.

 

[DrZoidberg]

https://youtube.com/channel/UC4rGacttttd0YZ-eVGgr9gg

Here's the buffalo guys YouTube channel. He's a loony

 

[Elixir]

So, you can name the incident from the summer where dozens of BLM protesters were killed? Should be easy.

Despite right wing extremist notions to the contrary, the National Capitol was never breached and Congressional proceedings interrupted by a black terrorist mob.

 

[J842P]

So, you can name the incident from the summer where dozens of BLM protesters were killed? Should be easy.

Despite right wing extremist notions to the contrary, the National Capitol was never breached and Congressional proceedings interrupted by a black terrorist mob.

Oh, so you don't know what has happened in a counterfactual. Good that we settled that.

 

[Trausti]

Heh.

 

[Jokodo]

So, you don't know.

Projection.
You don't know that the nose on your face is still there, any better than we know that a black mob would have incurred lethal force.

That's just absurd. I know my nose is on my face through direct observation. You are claiming your *assumption* about a counterfactual is knowledge that you are certain of.

We saw many mobs which included many black people during the summer that didn't incur lethal force, certainly not dozens dead on the streets.

We saw the level of force that protests with much more modest goals than overthrowing the constitution and instituting the dictatorial rule of a candidate that lost a democratic election incurred, scaling up from that easily gets you dozens of dead on the streets.

 

[Elixir]

So, you can name the incident from the summer where dozens of BLM protesters were killed? Should be easy.

Despite right wing extremist notions to the contrary, the National Capitol was never breached and Congressional proceedings interrupted by a black terrorist mob.

Good that we settled that.

"We"? You and the frog in your pocket? Does the frog do your thinking for you?
Tell me about it when a black mob swarms the Capital and is let in by the Police, then ransacks the Capitol, leaving bombs and incendiary devices, threatening congresspeople etc...

 

[laughing dog]

That's just absurd. I know my nose is on my face through direct observation. You are claiming your *assumption* about a counterfactual is knowledge that you are certain of.

We saw many mobs which included many black people during the summer that didn't incur lethal force, certainly not dozens dead on the streets.

We saw the level of force that protests with much more modest goals than overthrowing the constitution and instituting the dictatorial rule of a candidate that lost a democratic election incurred, scaling up from that easily gets you dozens of dead on the streets.

It is a reasonable forecast.

 

[SimpleDon]

A yo Derec! My Man! Wassup! If that was a group of black people the police would have every right to fear for their lives and use deadly force right? Why aren't they?

If this was a group of Antifas/BLMers of any race in Seattle or Portland the DA would drop all charges.

I agree this is horrible, and the rioters should be prosecuted

However, back in Summer and during previous #BLM riots some lefty posters claimed that we should give in to rioter demands because they represent real grievances shared by many people.
I vociferously reject that attitude no matter who is rioting.

The important difference is that Portland and Seattle were largely peaceful demonstrations with looting and property damage around the edges. The arrests were indiscriminate, with no way to determine who committed crimes and who were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Everyone in the Capital last night was committing a crime ranging from trespassing to insurrection to even murder and of the thousand or so criminals only 52 were arrested the vast majority of whom were only charged with violating the curfew. Charges that will most likely be dropped as they were in Portland and Seattle.

It is troubling that you feel the two are comparable. Which they would be only on some skewed white male grievance scale, the same scale that believes that whites are being discriminated against because a few private elite universities slightly reducing the entrance requirements for minorities is the same level of crimes against humanity as a hundred years of separate but equal schools for millions of people.

 

[TomC]

That's just absurd. I know my nose is on my face through direct observation. You are claiming your *assumption* about a counterfactual is knowledge that you are certain of.

We saw many mobs which included many black people during the summer that didn't incur lethal force, certainly not dozens dead on the streets.

We saw the level of force that protests with much more modest goals than overthrowing the constitution and instituting the dictatorial rule of a candidate that lost a democratic election incurred, scaling up from that easily gets you dozens of dead on the streets.

It is a reasonable forecast.

I recall federal officials handcuffing people and sticking them in unmarked vehicles. It happened in Portland, if I recall correctly, at a BLM protest.

Where were those officers in DC yesterday? The rioters were breaking and entering, disobeying police, and vandalizing the U.S. Capitol.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that had the crowd been blacker, or lefter, or otherwise less Trumpish, there'd have been a lot more deaths, injuries, and arrests.

Tom

 

[Elixir]

That's just absurd. I know my nose is on my face through direct observation. You are claiming your *assumption* about a counterfactual is knowledge that you are certain of.

We saw many mobs which included many black people during the summer that didn't incur lethal force, certainly not dozens dead on the streets.

We saw the level of force that protests with much more modest goals than overthrowing the constitution and instituting the dictatorial rule of a candidate that lost a democratic election incurred, scaling up from that easily gets you dozens of dead on the streets.

It is a reasonable forecast.

Tell it to the frog in J8's pocket.

 

[TomC]

That's just absurd. I know my nose is on my face through direct observation.

I know a black mob would be treated with violence FROM DIRECT OBSERVATIONS.
Check your nose again - that's easy. You can do it any time.
I'll have to await the next violent response to a black mob to again observe what I have observed first hand, repeatedly, FOR OVER 50 years.
That's the only difference.

So, you can name the incident from the summer where dozens of BLM protesters were killed? Should be easy.

Imagine this.
Trump's lies got just enough traction in court to throw the election into doubt, and his supporters were really able to lawyer their way into another Trump administration.

A blacker, lefter, more Constitutionally inclined mob stormed the Capitol building bent on vandalism and disruption.

Do you really think that the police would have pulled back? That there would have only been one police shooting? Only 52 arrests?


Nah. You know better.
I'm sure you're smarter than that.
Tom