Georgetown Law professor is fired after saying black students are bottom of her class almost every semester

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

No--they serve a very useful purpose. They show that something is wrong with the admissions criteria being used.

That requires data not in evidence. We don't know anything about this student's qualifications for admission. We don't know how this student has performed in other classes. We don't know anything about this professor's grading practices.

Your response assumes the black student earned the poor performance and assumes that the student was less qualified than the average student admitted to Georgetown law. Without any independent evidence, it appears your assumption is bigoted.

If there's a racial pattern to anonymous grades ...

*FULL STOP*

Based on documented claims from university students, class participation is not anonymous and a significant part of the grade.

... you have a problem with how they got into the class.

Hold on a second. Your premises seem logically inconsistent. On the one hand, you are saying that grades are anonymous which you got from earlier claims in the thread from people who don't know the university. On the other hand, you are saying that someone can formulate a pattern of grades based on race (including talk about individuals being part of the "good ones" or the "bottom") in which case one can infer that grades are not anonymous. How do you reconcile your claim that grades are anonymous with an inference that grades are not anonymous inferred from your other claims? This isn't a question of non-identifying statistics being provided to the professor because she is clearly talking about an individual she is aware of in addition other individuals "really good ones" unless she is not being honest. So how do you reconcile these contradictory things?

 

[DrZoidberg]

Neither of these sources bring me much comfort. I don't think anybody in this thread has enough information to pick sides.

This is a crucial observation. None of us here know enough about the context to know what really happened.

The context might be "Professor gets fired for voicing a politically incorrect truth." It might be "University finally axes professor who has been complaining bitterly for years about school affirmative action policies. She hates having a bunch of dumb black kids in her class." Might be something else entirely.

Anything is quite possible.

Tom

Its also possible that this was the excuse used to fire an incompetent professor they have wanted to fire for a long time. Anything is possible

 

[DrZoidberg]

Hm... Daily Mail. Do we have a credible source? It's a bit too juicy for me to swallow it whole.

Not once have you been able to point out in any of the Daily Mail articles I link to that the DM has been wrong or lied. Not once, ever.

You have a very bad memory. I did it many times. So may times it got tedious. That's the interesting part here. Even when I demonstrated how wrong they were you kept coming up with justifications to stick to your guns.

FYI, the source of all those Daily Mail articles on Sweden 2015 - 2017 were a handful of loony alt right blogs. There was a short trend for them then in Sweden. Those blogs have all gone now. Swedes got bored with their easily refutable craziness. That didn't stop the Daily Mail from treating them as a credible source.

 

[Metaphor]

If there's a racial pattern to anonymous grades ...

*FULL STOP*

Based on documented claims from university students, class participation is not anonymous and a significant part of the grade.

... you have a problem with how they got into the class.

Hold on a second. Your premises seem logically inconsistent. On the one hand, you are saying that grades are anonymous which you got from earlier claims in the thread from people who don't know the university. On the other hand, you are saying that someone can formulate a pattern of grades based on race (including talk about individuals being part of the "good ones" or the "bottom") in which case one can infer that grades are not anonymous. How do you reconcile your claim that grades are anonymous with an inference that grades are not anonymous inferred from your other claims? This isn't a question of non-identifying statistics being provided to the professor because she is clearly talking about an individual she is aware of in addition other individuals "really good ones" unless she is not being honest. So how do you reconcile these contradictory things?

Grading can be undertaken anonymously whilst also being aware of higher-performing and lower-performing students.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

 

[TSwizzle]

Hm... Daily Mail. Do we have a credible source? It's a bit too juicy for me to swallow it whole.

Not once have you been able to point out in any of the Daily Mail articles I link to that the DM has been wrong or lied. Not once, ever.

You have a very bad memory. I did it many times. So may times it got tedious. That's the interesting part here. Even when I demonstrated how wrong they were you kept coming up with justifications to stick to your guns.

Not once, ever.

 

[DrZoidberg]

You have a very bad memory. I did it many times. So may times it got tedious. That's the interesting part here. Even when I demonstrated how wrong they were you kept coming up with justifications to stick to your guns.

Not once, ever.

Considering how many times I had to do it, it's an absurd statement on your part. But not surprising. You were in complete denial in the thread even as it was unfolding ??????

 

[TSwizzle]

You have a very bad memory. I did it many times. So may times it got tedious. That's the interesting part here. Even when I demonstrated how wrong they were you kept coming up with justifications to stick to your guns.

Not once, ever.

Considering how many times I had to do it, it's an absurd statement on your part. But not surprising. You were in complete denial in the thread even as it was unfolding ������

Put up or shut up.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Assignment and/or test questions that put those with significant life experiences at an advantage (or disadvantage).

I don't follow. Can you give an example, even if contrived?

An actual example: Regatta as a vocabulary word. Someone from a poor land-locked area likely will not encounter the word.

 

[TomC]

Assignment and/or test questions that put those with significant life experiences at an advantage (or disadvantage).

I don't follow. Can you give an example, even if contrived?

An actual example: Regatta as a vocabulary word. Someone from a poor land-locked area likely will not encounter the word.

That's the best example you can think of?
Tom

 

[AdamWho]

I am at the point that I simply do believe these news stories which are meant to drive outrage.

We almost never know the actual story and there will NEVER be a follow up to clarify or retract the claim made.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Considering how many times I had to do it, it's an absurd statement on your part. But not surprising. You were in complete denial in the thread even as it was unfolding ������

Put up or shut up.

Lol. I somehow doubt you'll be convinced this time either If you weren't convinced then you won't be convinced now

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

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Fox News and OAN / Newsmax are level, and MSNBC is on the mirror side with them?! Also, why are there two Fox News? And the NY Post is odd as the paper itself as shown is accurate, but the whole Hunter Biden "scandal" deserves to shift that bad boy well to the right.

 

[ZiprHead]

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Fox News and OAN / Newsmax are level, and MSNBC is on the mirror side with them?! Also, why are there two Fox News? And the NY Post is odd as the paper itself as shown is accurate, but the whole Hunter Biden "scandal" deserves to shift that bad boy well to the right.

Fox News on the web and Fox News on tv. Two MSNBCs for the same reason. Note that MSNBC tv comes out higher than Fox tv.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

An actual example: Regatta as a vocabulary word. Someone from a poor land-locked area likely will not encounter the word.

That's the best example you can think of?
Tom

We don't hear of the bad questions in your typical school test. That one was from some major test and those guys are normally careful about such things, mistakes aren't going to slip by very often in order to make the news.

For an in-class situation one I recall reading about. Physics problem, it gave the details of the stadium and how the ball was hit and asked if it was a home run. Foreign student was stumped, asked the teacher about it. The teacher was working through the problem with him, he understood everything--so what's the problem? "What's a home run?" Had that been a test rather than homework he would have had a 50% chance of getting it wrong due to a lack of sports knowledge rather than a lack of physics knowledge.

 

[Shadowy Man]

An actual example: Regatta as a vocabulary word. Someone from a poor land-locked area likely will not encounter the word.

That's the best example you can think of?
Tom

We don't hear of the bad questions in your typical school test. That one was from some major test and those guys are normally careful about such things, mistakes aren't going to slip by very often in order to make the news.

For an in-class situation one I recall reading about. Physics problem, it gave the details of the stadium and how the ball was hit and asked if it was a home run. Foreign student was stumped, asked the teacher about it. The teacher was working through the problem with him, he understood everything--so what's the problem? "What's a home run?" Had that been a test rather than homework he would have had a 50% chance of getting it wrong due to a lack of sports knowledge rather than a lack of physics knowledge.

I saw a Jewish kid lose a spelling bee on the word “banns”.

 

[Metaphor]

We don't hear of the bad questions in your typical school test. That one was from some major test and those guys are normally careful about such things, mistakes aren't going to slip by very often in order to make the news.

For an in-class situation one I recall reading about. Physics problem, it gave the details of the stadium and how the ball was hit and asked if it was a home run. Foreign student was stumped, asked the teacher about it. The teacher was working through the problem with him, he understood everything--so what's the problem? "What's a home run?" Had that been a test rather than homework he would have had a 50% chance of getting it wrong due to a lack of sports knowledge rather than a lack of physics knowledge.

I saw a Jewish kid lose a spelling bee on the word “banns”.

I was raised Catholic and I'd never heard the term until I saw that same documentary.

The difficulty of the winning words in each annual bee has been getting increasingly higher. The 2019 bee had eight winners because nobody spelled a word wrong in the final round.

 

[atrib]

For an in-class situation one I recall reading about. Physics problem, it gave the details of the stadium and how the ball was hit and asked if it was a home run. Foreign student was stumped, asked the teacher about it. The teacher was working through the problem with him, he understood everything--so what's the problem? "What's a home run?" Had that been a test rather than homework he would have had a 50% chance of getting it wrong due to a lack of sports knowledge rather than a lack of physics knowledge.

Do you have a citation for this? I find it incredibly hard to believe that a question like this would have been set in an in-class exam, or even as a homework assignment. I have never come across anything like this in my college experience, in physics class or engineering/math.

 

[Jarhyn]

For an in-class situation one I recall reading about. Physics problem, it gave the details of the stadium and how the ball was hit and asked if it was a home run. Foreign student was stumped, asked the teacher about it. The teacher was working through the problem with him, he understood everything--so what's the problem? "What's a home run?" Had that been a test rather than homework he would have had a 50% chance of getting it wrong due to a lack of sports knowledge rather than a lack of physics knowledge.

Do you have a citation for this? I find it incredibly hard to believe that a question like this would have been set in an in-class exam, or even as a homework assignment. I have never come across anything like this in my college experience, in physics class or engineering/math.

Then you have a very narrow, lucky experience. The fact is, I could easily put such a question on a test.

We are generally going to be blind to the cultural contexts that are required for understanding various culturally specific constructions because it's just too familiar to us. It would in fact be better if someone from a different culture wrote 100% of the questions.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

For an in-class situation one I recall reading about. Physics problem, it gave the details of the stadium and how the ball was hit and asked if it was a home run. Foreign student was stumped, asked the teacher about it. The teacher was working through the problem with him, he understood everything--so what's the problem? "What's a home run?" Had that been a test rather than homework he would have had a 50% chance of getting it wrong due to a lack of sports knowledge rather than a lack of physics knowledge.

Do you have a citation for this? I find it incredibly hard to believe that a question like this would have been set in an in-class exam, or even as a homework assignment. I have never come across anything like this in my college experience, in physics class or engineering/math.

I see sports questions all the time in kids' homework or tests. A quick google gives an example:
https://www.coursehero.com/file/27439942/HW-10pdf/

... A 92 mph slider thrown by NY Mets Ace Noah Syndergaard spins at a rate of 2200 rpm. (a) What is the angular momentum of the slider? ... ... ...