Six-year-old in North Carolina arrested for picking flower from lawn

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

The parents are victims. Their child was arrested and sent to court unnecessarily which got national media attention and people slandering them.

 

[laughing dog]

I'm curious, if one family has a child that is do-gooder and another that is trouble... do you blame just one parent?

Please explain what this word salad means.

Please explain how someone should blame a parent for their children's behavior, without discussing what the parents actually did or said. That's happening a lot in this thread. Posters are blaming the victims of vandalism, without knowing what the parents did.
Tom

What are you now babbling about? There is no evidence that the parents engaged in vandalism or knew what had happened or knowingly skipped a court meeting. Perhaps you should practice what you have preaching and castigating others for.

 

[TomC]

The parents are victims. Their child was arrested and sent to court unnecessarily which got national media attention and people slandering them.

What evidence do you have that the parents are even aware of this?

I'm not seeing any.

If somebody could show me evidence that the parents did anything at all, concerning their child, I'd have a more informed opinion.

But nobody has done so.

Tom

 

[TomC]

I'm curious, if one family has a child that is do-gooder and another that is trouble... do you blame just one parent?

Please explain what this word salad means.

Please explain how someone should blame a parent for their children's behavior, without discussing what the parents actually did or said. That's happening a lot in this thread. Posters are blaming the victims of vandalism, without knowing what the parents did.
Tom

What are you now babbling about? There is no evidence that the parents engaged in vandalism or knew what had happened or knowingly skipped a court meeting. Perhaps you should practice what you have preaching and castigating others for.

What I'm babbling about is the lack of evidence that the parents even know that their kid was arrested and went to court.
Do you know that the parents showed even that tiny shred of interest in their child? Knowing that their child was arrested and going to court?

If you do know that the parents tried to prevent that from happening, please share your information. Because I'm not seeing any such information.
Tom

 

[ZiprHead]

If you do know that the parents tried to prevent that from happening, please share your information. Because I'm not seeing any such information.
Tom

There most likely will not be more information forthcoming. Juvenile court, other than outcomes, is generally kept private.

 

[laughing dog]

What are you now babbling about? There is no evidence that the parents engaged in vandalism or knew what had happened or knowingly skipped a court meeting. Perhaps you should practice what you have preaching and castigating others for.

What I'm babbling about is the lack of evidence that the parents even know that their kid was arrested and went to court.
Do you know that the parents showed even that tiny shred of interest in their child? Knowing that their child was arrested and going to court?

My simple point, which for some reason eludes you, is that we have no idea about any of that. Yet that does not stop you from blaming the parents while simultaneously castigating others for sharing their uninformed opinions.

If you do know that the parents tried to prevent that from happening, please share your information. Because I'm not seeing any such information.
Tom

It is pretty obvious you are not even seeing the posts to which you respond. If we don't know what the parents received or knew, then, according to you, we shouldn't opine about what they should done. Yet, here you are, blaming the parents.

In other simple words, I am pointing out your blatant double standard and obvious bias.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

The parents are victims. Their child was arrested and sent to court unnecessarily which got national media attention and people slandering them.

What evidence do you have that the parents are even aware of this?

I'm not seeing any.

If somebody could show me evidence that the parents did anything at all, concerning their child, I'd have a more informed opinion.

But nobody has done so.

Tom

You keep victimizing the parents by slandering them.

 

[Jokodo]

TomC, you have to forgo the 6 year old in court in order to make your subsequent assumptions. All of that hypothetical refuse of yours is subjected to the six year old picking flowers and ending up in court. Otherwise you'd be throwing allegations into thin air as you'd have no parents as the target for your argument without the child in question.

Please explain what assumptions I'm making, other than that the kid has parents.

My point is that nobody in this thread actually knows what really happened, including me. I'm pretty sure that the child is getting caught in the crossfire of some dysfunctional b.s. that isn't being reported.
Tom

Indeed it is. That dysfunctional b.s. appears to be NC's legal code.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If you do know that the parents tried to prevent that from happening, please share your information. Because I'm not seeing any such information.
Tom

There most likely will not be more information forthcoming. Juvenile court, other than outcomes, is generally kept private.

Exactly. Unless someone goes to the press we won't see how this turned out. I think the only reason we saw even this much is someone went to the press--and when that happens it's usually not a remotely accurate picture of the whole situation.

The most likely explanation is the parents knew they had blown off previous efforts to resolve this and are trying to try this in the media rather than the courtroom.

 

[Jokodo]

Neither of us know anything beyond what we've read.

This is an important point that I've tried to make, over and over.

Nobody on this thread knows what led to the ridiculous circumstance of a SIX year old in court. But something did.

But lots of people wallowing in outrage keep trying to explain their outrage, without any more information than I have.
Tom

There may, or may not, be something the parents could have done to avoid that outcome. There is, definitely, something the state of NC could and should have done to avoid it: not have such ridiculous laws in the first place. The parents may have acted irresponsibly (or not) but their irresponsibility is not sufficient and may not be necessary - the state's irresponsibility in allowing a six year old to be exposed to this kind of treatment is necessary for this situation to arise. Yet you defend the state (the only party we know to be in the wrong from what little we do know) and blame the parents (who may also be in the wrong, but we don't know that they are)? And castigate others for making assumptions??

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What are you now babbling about? There is no evidence that the parents engaged in vandalism or knew what had happened or knowingly skipped a court meeting. Perhaps you should practice what you have preaching and castigating others for.

What I'm babbling about is the lack of evidence that the parents even know that their kid was arrested and went to court.
Do you know that the parents showed even that tiny shred of interest in their child? Knowing that their child was arrested and going to court?

If you do know that the parents tried to prevent that from happening, please share your information. Because I'm not seeing any such information.
Tom

It's not the parents' fault, the parents' are just indifferent*.

* - uncited claim

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[Jimmy Higgins]

If you do know that the parents tried to prevent that from happening, please share your information. Because I'm not seeing any such information.
Tom

There most likely will not be more information forthcoming. Juvenile court, other than outcomes, is generally kept private.

Exactly. Unless someone goes to the press we won't see how this turned out. I think the only reason we saw even this much is someone went to the press--and when that happens it's usually not a remotely accurate picture of the whole situation.

The most likely explanation is the parents knew they had blown off previous efforts to resolve this and are trying to try this in the media rather than the courtroom.

Yeah, there is no evidence to support that either. This came about because of complaints of the system, outside of the family. This one case was a high water mark regarding how the system is allegedly not working as it is supposed to.

 

[Gospel]

Neither of us know anything beyond what we've read.

This is an important point that I've tried to make, over and over.

Nobody on this thread knows what led to the ridiculous circumstance of a SIX year old in court. But something did.

But lots of people wallowing in outrage keep trying to explain their outrage, without any more information than I have.
Tom

So a 6-year-old in court is not upsetting enough for you? I know nothing about the victim of the vandalism (a single flower according to what we know) but I do know that a 6-year-old can't pay for the damages and the victim could have and definitely should have if they were seeking remedy, filed a complaint against the parents. So what exactly was the reason the Victim picked the child instead? Even you are parading around saying parents should be held responsible for their child yet you're ok with the victim (and the state) in this case trying to hold a child responsible for the parents. It's ridiculous.

 

[Gospel]

And yet, you blame the parents even though you admit you don't know enough. Hmmm.

And yet, most posters on this thread blame the victims, even though they admit they don't know enough.

[MENTION=346]Gospel[/MENTION]; had a clear response. I'll buy my kid a t-shirt that says "FUCK yo Flowers!". That wasn't a parental response much, when I was a kid. But it's altogether too common nowadays.

My partner and I moved put of downtown a few years back. One of the reasons was the increasing number of unsupervised kids, who's parents just wouldn't take responsibility for their children's behavior.

I never called the police, because I didn't want the kids tagging my house with FAGGOT. I have to consider such forms of retribution, it's happened before.

We took some advice from earlier in this thread. If you don't like the neighborhood, sell out and move. Kids are gonna be kids, and your property doesn't matter. Parents can't be expected to watch over their kids every second.

Just suck it up!

Tom

A "fuck yo flowers" T-shirt is less vulgar than a 6-year-old getting arrested and taken to court over a tulip. The victim should have gone after the parents.

 

[Toni]

And yet, you blame the parents even though you admit you don't know enough. Hmmm.

And yet, most posters on this thread blame the victims, even though they admit they don't know enough.

[MENTION=346]Gospel[/MENTION]; had a clear response. I'll buy my kid a t-shirt that says "FUCK yo Flowers!". That wasn't a parental response much, when I was a kid. But it's altogether too common nowadays.

My partner and I moved put of downtown a few years back. One of the reasons was the increasing number of unsupervised kids, who's parents just wouldn't take responsibility for their children's behavior.

I never called the police, because I didn't want the kids tagging my house with FAGGOT. I have to consider such forms of retribution, it's happened before.

We took some advice from earlier in this thread. If you don't like the neighborhood, sell out and move. Kids are gonna be kids, and your property doesn't matter. Parents can't be expected to watch over their kids every second.

Just suck it up!

Tom

A "fuck yo flowers" T-shirt is less vulgar than a 6-year-old getting arrested and taken to court over a tulip. The victim should have gone after the parents.

I just did a quick search online for how much a single tulip costs. At telefloral.com, one can purchase a bouquet of 10 tulips for $38.24, which is the sale price. So a tulip is worth $3.85 rounding up to include that quarter of a cent.

 

[Jokodo]

What are you now babbling about? There is no evidence that the parents engaged in vandalism or knew what had happened or knowingly skipped a court meeting. Perhaps you should practice what you have preaching and castigating others for.

What I'm babbling about is the lack of evidence that the parents even know that their kid was arrested and went to court.
Do you know that the parents showed even that tiny shred of interest in their child? Knowing that their child was arrested and going to court?

If you do know that the parents tried to prevent that from happening, please share your information. Because I'm not seeing any such information.
Tom

In a sane judicial system, a 6-year-old being arrested and dragged to court as a defendant isn't something the parents would need to know about, or try to prevent - because it isn't something that's ever on the table.

I can imagine precious few scenarios where a 6-year-olds's misconduct makes sending a drone after the parents to kill them a proportionate response; stealing a tulip certainly isn't one, but there may be some. Even if the child's behaviour is that bad, though, he doesn't belong in court, he belongs in foster care. That that was even an option, no matter how many court orders the parents skipped (incidentally, not something you know either), is symptomatic of a dysfunctional judicial system.

 

[Gospel]

A "fuck yo flowers" T-shirt is less vulgar than a 6-year-old getting arrested and taken to court over a tulip. The victim should have gone after the parents.

I just did a quick search online for how much a single tulip costs. At telefloral.com, one can purchase a bouquet of 10 tulips for $38.24, which is the sale price. So a tulip is worth $3.85 rounding up to include that quarter of a cent.

Victims gonna victim yo. I don't much care for how much value was lost I just think complaints should be filed (however unreasonable they are) against the correct party.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Remember in threads over and over, when a white male rapes someone, conservatives are always yelling "he's just a suspect. He hasn't been proved guilty in court." And the "system is oppressing white males!" Now, there's a 6 year old back kid who is only ACCUSED of picking a flower and not only is he declared guilty, his parents by extension are also declared guilty without evidence. What happened to all that Western values are better stuff--you know, innocent until proven guilty and all that? We've even got another thread about a white guy who murdered a black guy on camera and they're trying to say he's innocent, too. It should be clear now that there are no right-wing principles anyone is adhering to, it's just raw naked conservative identity politics.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Nearing 200 posts and we have no more info about what happened and presuppositions made by others. All we know is that someone claimed something happened and the case was immediately dismissed by a judge. How we get nearly 200 posts going back and forth about the parties we know NOTHING about is beyond me... and certainly an indication that we can't even agree on the lack of details.

A "fuck yo flowers" T-shirt is less vulgar than a 6-year-old getting arrested and taken to court over a tulip. The victim should have gone after the parents.

I just did a quick search online for how much a single tulip costs. At telefloral.com, one can purchase a bouquet of 10 tulips for $38.24, which is the sale price. So a tulip is worth $3.85 rounding up to include that quarter of a cent.

We just bought about 20 bulbs for $20.

 

[Gospel]

Nearing 200 posts and we have no more info about what happened and presuppositions made by others. All we know is that someone claimed something happened , A 6-YEAR-OLD WAS ARRESTED, TAKEN TO COURT and the case was immediately dismissed by a judge. How we get nearly 200 posts going back and forth about the parties we know NOTHING about is beyond me... and certainly an indication that we can't even agree on the lack of details.

A "fuck yo flowers" T-shirt is less vulgar than a 6-year-old getting arrested and taken to court over a tulip. The victim should have gone after the parents.

I just did a quick search online for how much a single tulip costs. At telefloral.com, one can purchase a bouquet of 10 tulips for $38.24, which is the sale price. So a tulip is worth $3.85 rounding up to include that quarter of a cent.

We just bought about 20 bulbs for $20.

FTFY