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Again: The burden of proof remains with the claimant!
there is evidence of long-ago ocean life embedded in the limestone at Everest’s summit: fossils, including those of crinoids, ancient underwater animals with tentacles and cone-shaped shells. These fossils are found at 29,000 feet because the highest point on Earth was once under sea
Scientists have found fossils of whales and other marine animals in mountain sediments in the Andes, indicating that the South American mountain chain rose very rapidly from the sea
Modern YECs can solve the problem about incest.... while allowing Cain to have a wife....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest_in_the_Bible
Leviticus 18:9 says not to have sexual relations with your sister and Cain's wife would be his sister....
YECs believe that incest was eventually outlawed in Moses' time because it had become a problem. Cain and his sister wouldn't be a problem because their DNA had no mutations. By Moses' time there would be a lot of mutations and incest is a problem because it is more likely that both people would have the same mutations.
Apparently the "where did Cain get his wife?" question is one of the most common YEC questions and I think it has a very good explanation.... though it is only in modern times that the whole mutation explanation became possible...
The young earth creationist has to invoke more miracles than the old earth creationist.
But both views are still more plausible than the non-theistic alternative.
Thus when the God, whatever God was he,
Had form'd the whole, and made the parts agree,
That no unequal portions might be found,
He moulded Earth into a spacious round:
Then with a breath, he gave the winds to blow;
And bad the congregated waters flow.
He adds the running springs, and standing lakes
Yeah the theory that in the Bible other people who weren't descendants of Adam and Eve existed makes sense. My point is that the YEC explanation that Cain married his sister is clever - according to genetics there would be no risk of abnormalities at that stage. And their point that incest was only outlawed later on when genetics would become a problem.Modern YECs can solve the problem about incest.... while allowing Cain to have a wife....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest_in_the_Bible
Leviticus 18:9 says not to have sexual relations with your sister and Cain's wife would be his sister....
YECs believe that incest was eventually outlawed in Moses' time because it had become a problem. Cain and his sister wouldn't be a problem because their DNA had no mutations. By Moses' time there would be a lot of mutations and incest is a problem because it is more likely that both people would have the same mutations.
Apparently the "where did Cain get his wife?" question is one of the most common YEC questions and I think it has a very good explanation.... though it is only in modern times that the whole mutation explanation became possible...
But the Bible dosn't say that she was his sister. It's so funny to me. We're suppose to take the bible literally. Despite the fact that there is no outside evidence to consider it as factual. But we're suppose take it word for word. Why? Because the bible says we should take it literally. However, we're suppose to allow outside the bible opinions to solve biblical contradictions. You're trying to have it both ways. If you carefully read Genesis 4, it's clear that there were outside groups of people outside of Cain's family. They had their first child then built a great city. After god got mad at him, he threatened to become a homeless wanderer (because the other tribes in the area had homes) and whoever finds him will kill him (I blame the Chinese who had established cities thousands of years before Cain).
Again: The burden of proof remains with the claimant!
...Yeah the theory that in the Bible other people who weren't descendants of Adam and Eve existed makes sense
See post #145......Yeah the theory that in the Bible other people who weren't descendants of Adam and Eve existed makes sense
@excreationist
I'm having a mental blank. Which bible verse refers to humans who weren't descended from Adam and Eve?
Oh my...4:14 Cain, fearful and remorseful pleads with God, anxious about a potential future vendetta feud with his relatives, in-laws and extended family.
4:16 After God vouch safes Cain, Cain embarks on an exile to the land that would come to be called Nod.
4:17 Cain and his wife have a baby named Enoch and their family seeds an eventual settlement, village, town, city.
4:25 Eve gives birth to Seth. And nothing about this verse precludes the passage of time between verse 16 and 17. Verse 16 is open-ended chronologically speaking.
There's no textual barriers to Eve having had countless offspring in the intervening period before Cain reaches Nod, decides to settle there, finds a (consanguineous) wife there - one of Adam and Eve's unnamed offspring.
.....There's no textual barriers to Eve having had countless offspring in the intervening period before Cain reaches Nod, decides to settle there, finds a (consanguineous) wife there - one of Adam and Eve's unnamed offspring.
You mean just relatives? (initially just siblings?)4:14 Cain, fearful and remorseful pleads with God, anxious about a potential future vendetta feud with his relatives, in-laws and extended family.
We're suppose to take the bible literally. Despite the fact that there is no outside evidence to consider it as factual. But we're suppose take it word for word. Why?
.....There's no textual barriers to Eve having had countless offspring in the intervening period before Cain reaches Nod, decides to settle there, finds a (consanguineous) wife there - one of Adam and Eve's unnamed offspring.
Genesis 4:25 says:Adam made love to his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth, saying, “God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him.”Genesis 5:4 says:
After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters
I think those two verses imply that Seth was Adam and Eve's third child....
You mean just relatives? (initially just siblings?)4:14 Cain, fearful and remorseful pleads with God, anxious about a potential future vendetta feud with his relatives, in-laws and extended family.
This is a reply from a Christian on another forum:....Initially, I thought you might have been alluding to Nephilim. (Non-humans) Hence, I specifically sought clarification of what text you thought made reference to people who weren't descendants of Adam and Eve?
Halfling progeny of Nephilim and humans would nonetheless still be descendants of Adam and Eve.
But eventually it all blurs into general relatedness. All of us are technically relatives of whomever we marry.
...descendants of Noah's three sons.
How did diseases survive? Many diseases can't survive in hosts other than humans. Many others can only survive in humans and in short-lived arthropod vectors. The list includes typhus, measles, smallpox, polio, gonorrhea, syphilis. For these diseases to have survived the Flood, they must all have infected one or more of the eight people aboard the Ark.
Other animals aboard the ark must have suffered from multiple diseases, too, since there are other diseases specific to other animals, and the nonspecific diseases must have been somewhere.
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Why is inbreeding depression not a problem in most species? Harmful recessive alleles occur in significant numbers in most species. (Humans have, on average, 3 to 4 lethal recessive alleles each.) When close relatives breed, the offspring are more likely to be homozygous for these harmful alleles, to the detriment of the offspring. Such inbreeding depression still shows up in cheetahs; they have about 1/6th the number of motile spermatozoa as domestic cats, and of those, almost 80% show morphological abnormalities. [O'Brien et al, 1987] How could more than a handful of species survive the inbreeding depression that comes with establishing a population from a single mating pair?
I think Nephilim are widely accepted to be supernatural (angelic) non-humans of extra terrestrial origin rather than a special type of mutant humans who originated as offspring of Adam and Eve.
We can argue about that but why bother? If we want to conjure up multiple ancestors rather than a single common ancestory for all humans in Genesis it's a short-lived ancestry because Noah's Ark hits the reset button.