It's your viewpoint, your 'faith in your surety' that no such thing as creation - is a brute fact.
That, my cocksure friend, is brute ignorance.
Let me set you straight about my "surety", my "faith" and what I
actually think about "creation" (as opposed to creationism) ... not that it matters to any cocksure religious rube... .
Well ok then fair enough, but I would of been quite open to hear about your 'surety' anyway. Never claimed my surety was 'bigger than yours', wasn't starting a cockfight, in a manner of speaking.
I believe there is a creation, i.e. an objective external reality about which we can learn. Exactly how and why it came to exist, and whether there is a singly embodied causal entity responsible for its existence, is currently beyond the purview of both science and religion*. If there is such an entity, neither science nor religions have any direct knowledge of it. That's what I believe, subject to change should evidence to the contrary be found.
No problem with the above.
Further, I believe that the nature of "creation" is more accurately determined by observation using the scientific method, than by trying to contort old texts into compliance with observable reality. This is easily verified by the fact that science WORKS.
I agree,.. the nature of creation
can be accurately determined by science methods. But...
not yet! Just as you indicated above, " neither science nor religion...etc.."
Science defeats plagues and flies helicopters on mars. Religions bilk the rubes.
Science cures diseases, and enables weapons of war.
Science is not atheism nor religion. A whole list of
religious people pioneered and contributed to science. Science doesn't work without people and motives, which could be for war or peace.
Religions only cause wars, and enrich scoundrels.
Show that I'm wrong. Guessing about goldilocks doesn't do it for me, but apparently YMMV. Hence, religions.
Religion doesn't have an agenda and uniqueness without people and their personal particular motives - a vehicle use for both 'war or peace.'
So I don't think I disagree with you here.
* Science has discovered mind-blowing facts about the early universe just since I've been on earth. Nothing new on the religious front, just the same old *poofery*.
Not sure of the same old poofery, the bible has better interpretations each day imo, times have changed and there is a whole wide-world pair of eyes and ears, people of all shapes and sizes and backgrounds, scrutinzing & studying the scriptures relating
alongside with nature, the modern world and each other. Sharing info, discussing and of course debating each other ... a continuous refinement you could say, with
todays understanding, adding to the world knowldge base so to speak, thanks to technology and internet. Hence why ... Christians must like science too.