Collapsed Condo

[TomC]

I see a lot of death in the future for coastal Florida and it's going to be mostly poor folks (like in the case of this collapse).

You're just adorable sometimes.
You think that poor people live in beach side condominiums with swimming pools!
Tom

 

[Gospel]

I see a lot of death in the future for coastal Florida and it's going to be mostly poor folks (like in the case of this collapse).

You're just adorable sometimes.
You think that poor people live in beach side condominiums with swimming pools!
Tom

Tomc. Miami consists of more than just beachside condominiums. It's 35.99 sq mi (not including water for now).


Edit: Manhattan is building a wall to protect against sea-level rise and they are 13 feet above sea level. Miami is about 6 feet above see level. There are humans taller than that that aren't remotely close to breaking a guinness world record.

Edit: Sorry mods for the Derail.

 

[TomC]

I see a lot of death in the future for coastal Florida and it's going to be mostly poor folks (like in the case of this collapse).

You're just adorable sometimes.
You think that poor people live in beach side condominiums with swimming pools!
Tom

Tomc. Miami consists of more than just beachside condominiums. It's 35.99 sq mi (not including water for now).

I'm aware of that.
I quoted your exact sentence and responded to it.
Tom

 

[Gospel]

Tomc. Miami consists of more than just beachside condominiums. It's 35.99 sq mi (not including water for now).

I'm aware of that.
I quoted your exact sentence and responded to it.
Tom

fair enough. I was derailing anyway.

 

[TomC]

Tomc. Miami consists of more than just beachside condominiums. It's 35.99 sq mi (not including water for now).

I'm aware of that.
I quoted your exact sentence and responded to it.
Tom

fair enough. I was derailing anyway.

Did I mention how adorable you are?

Tom

 

[Gospel]

I can't afford to get us a room so can it.

 

[TomC]

I see a lot of death in the future for coastal Florida and it's going to be mostly poor folks (like in the case of this collapse).

You're just adorable sometimes.
You think that poor people live in beach side condominiums with swimming pools!
Tom

Tomc. Miami consists of more than just beachside condominiums. It's 35.99 sq mi (not including water for now).


Edit: Manhattan is building a wall to protect against sea-level rise and they are 13 feet above sea level. Miami is about 6 feet above see level. There are humans taller than that that aren't remotely close to breaking a guinness world record.

Edit: Sorry mods for the Derail.

I honestly don't see this as a derail so much as an expansion of the topic in a broader context.

The owners of that building kept kicking the can down the road, instead of recognizing the need for inconvenient and expensive work and dealing with the issues. Eventually, disaster( long in the making) struck. Nobody who owned a condo in that building believed that it was going to collapse today. So, instead, they kept putting it off until "today" came.

The rest of your post was kinda about the modern elite behaving like the HOA of that building. Believing that climate disasters won't happen while they're responsible.

Tom

 

[Loren Pechtel]

My practicing architect friend states that those buildings go down like dominos if one structural column is compromised. I got the impression there isn't any redundancy built into the structure. I'm very familiar with spalling and seeing rebar exposed and supports crumbling because I live in the rust belt where we apply millions of tons of salt to our roads in the winter. I've seen retaining walls suffer the same fate as salt creeps into the structure.

My amateurish guess is that columns were compromised and could not take movement/subsidence. So was the foundation the problem or the spalling? Likely a combination.

There is redundancy, you lose one column, you probably don't have catastrophic issues, but if you have a bunch of columns that are weaker due to weathering, and one fails, while a number of other ones have lost their redundant capacity, this is a big problem. And generally, one element just doesn't go bye-bye without others getting weakened by whatever weakened the initial element.

Foundations can fail spontaneously, but it isn't terribly common, even in Florida, with limestone that has holes in it.

This. You can lose one column when somebody blows it up or the like. However, with neglect like this they're all varying degrees of bad and by the time one fails the others are in no shape to take up the load.

 

[Shadowy Man]

I wonder how many hurricanes it will take for the migration north to begin? I'm guessing the big one. Cat 5 directly hitting Miami with massive casualties and displaced people, Then most of them who evacuated won't return. Maybe stay in Orlando or further north. Rebuilding efforts slowed by lack of interest, and further Job losses bleeding the rest of the population out of the city. Rename it Detriot Florida the floating City, not as attractive as Venice.

As a counterpoint, New Orleans still exists.

 

[TomC]

I wonder how many hurricanes it will take for the migration north to begin? I'm guessing the big one. Cat 5 directly hitting Miami with massive casualties and displaced people, Then most of them who evacuated won't return. Maybe stay in Orlando or further north. Rebuilding efforts slowed by lack of interest, and further Job losses bleeding the rest of the population out of the city. Rename it Detriot Florida the floating City, not as attractive as Venice.

As a counterpoint, New Orleans still exists.

That's not much of a counterpoint, really.

Katrina was a Cat 4 that came ashore in another state, Mississippi. New Orleans missed the brunt. Had it remained a Cat 5 and hit New Orleans directly, I'm not sure New Orleans would still exist, exactly.
Tom

 

[Rhea]

As a counterpoint, thousands of new orleans residents never returned to n.o. and stayed in Houston.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I wonder how many hurricanes it will take for the migration north to begin? I'm guessing the big one. Cat 5 directly hitting Miami with massive casualties and displaced people, Then most of them who evacuated won't return. Maybe stay in Orlando or further north. Rebuilding efforts slowed by lack of interest, and further Job losses bleeding the rest of the population out of the city. Rename it Detriot Florida the floating City, not as attractive as Venice.

As a counterpoint, New Orleans still exists.

That's not much of a counterpoint, really.

Katrina was a Cat 4 that came ashore in another state, Mississippi.

Katrina was a Cat 3 that came ashore in Louisiana. Category was less important than the surge and the underbuilt flood protection system.

New Orleans missed the brunt. Had it remained a Cat 5 and hit New Orleans directly, I'm not sure New Orleans would still exist, exactly.
Tom

New Orleans would still exist. Having parts of the city underwater wasn't exactly a near miss (well, George Carlin would disagree with that one).

 

[Alcoholic Actuary]

Blah, none of this matters. In about 100 years satellite pictures of that area will look like a pool full of floaties. Throw another 200 years on that to find Florida appearing on US Maps as several Islands with a new state capitol temporarily thumbtacked on Orlando. As an Orlandoian, I hope my descendants manage to hold & sell my house as a multi-million dollar waterfront property at that time.

I see a lot of death in the future for coastal Florida and it's going to be mostly poor folks (like in the case of this collapse). Miami is going to have it worse than any other City. I wonder how many hurricanes it will take for the migration north to begin? I'm guessing the big one. Cat 5 directly hitting Miami with massive casualties and displaced people, Then most of them who evacuated won't return. Maybe stay in Orlando or further north. Rebuilding efforts slowed by lack of interest, and further Job losses bleeding the rest of the population out of the city. Rename it Detriot Florida the floating City, not as attractive as Venice.

This is just my pessimistic & uninformed pissed-off about a building just falling the fuck down side of me venting.

I think the 100 year timeline is optimistic.

aa

 

[Playball40]

I see a lot of death in the future for coastal Florida and it's going to be mostly poor folks (like in the case of this collapse).

You're just adorable sometimes.
You think that poor people live in beach side condominiums with swimming pools!
Tom

Those condos sold for $650K - $700K. Nope, these were not 'poor' people.

 

[Playball40]

Tomc. Miami consists of more than just beachside condominiums. It's 35.99 sq mi (not including water for now).

I'm aware of that.
I quoted your exact sentence and responded to it.
Tom

fair enough. I was derailing anyway.

Andrew was a CAT 5, hit S. Miami and has come back stronger than ever.

 

[TomC]

I see a lot of death in the future for coastal Florida and it's going to be mostly poor folks (like in the case of this collapse).

You're just adorable sometimes.
You think that poor people live in beach side condominiums with swimming pools!
Tom

Those condos sold for $650K - $700K. Nope, these were not 'poor' people.

You likely know far more about the real estate than I do.

How do you suppose that the HOA tying on a 2 year $16M repair job affect the value of the individual condos?
Tom

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I see a lot of death in the future for coastal Florida and it's going to be mostly poor folks (like in the case of this collapse).

You're just adorable sometimes.
You think that poor people live in beach side condominiums with swimming pools!
Tom

Those condos sold for $650K - $700K. Nope, these were not 'poor' people.

That actually sounds kind of cheap for 'on the beach' condos. Unless they were real small.

 

[TomC]

Those condos sold for $650K - $700K. Nope, these were not 'poor' people.

That actually sounds kind of cheap for 'on the beach' condos. Unless they were real small.

Or the huge expensive problem was no secret.
Tom

 

[Elixir]

fair enough. I was derailing anyway.

Andrew was a CAT 5, hit S. Miami and has come back stronger than ever.

Miami is about 6½ feet above sea level. N.O. is 1-2 feet below sea level (avg).
Doesn't sound like a lot but ... it's a lot.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

fair enough. I was derailing anyway.

Andrew was a CAT 5, hit S. Miami and has come back stronger than ever.

Miami is about 6½ feet above sea level. N.O. is 1-2 feet below sea level (avg).
Doesn't sound like a lot but ... it's a lot.