The trials of the Capitol assaulters

[Rhea]

I don’t blame the capitol police for having no time for the people who supported attackers.

 

[Bullmoose Too]

From TheHill:

Video shows officers, who said the group was trespassing and “obstructing entrance into this facility,” denying the trio entry.

“The supervisor came down and was standing right here and turned her back on me. The other one said she won’t talk anymore and that we’re trespassers,” Gohmert said in comments to the press after the situation.

“We’re in totalitarian, Marxist territory here. This is the way third-world people get treated,” he added.

...
Gaetz tweeted a clip of him locked out of the facility saying the three were going to review “the conditions of the January 6th prisoners.”

“The door's locked and we’re just here to ask questions and now they’ve locked the door and not given us access,” Gaetz said.

“This was apparently a bait and switch. We are here just to speak to a supervisor and when the supervisor came out and we came out to have that discussion, they literally ran behind us and locked the doors,” he added.

The Recount on Twitter: "TRESPASSING: GOP Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene, Louie Gohmert, and Matt Gaetz are denied entry to a corrections facility holding January 6th prisoners. (link)" / Twitter

They seem like card-carrying members of the American Civil Liberties Union.

I remember when George Bush I used "card-carrying member of the ACLU" as an insult when he was running for President back in 1988.

It’s funny how actually living in terrible prison conditions can change a person’s perspective on terrible prison conditions.

I wonder if the ACLU will help them given how often such people vilify the ACLU.

 

[Keith&Co.]

I wonder if the ACLU will help them given how often such people vilify the ACLU.

Of course they would, if asked. They have helped Nazis before.
But...there are people watching. People who would love to be able to say "Nazis Need Help From ACLU!" And would bring it up every election.

But, are these people on lockdown for what they did in January? Or fir their current stance on masks, vaccines, etc.? Same for the 'inspectors.'

A Trident sub recently pulled into port abruptly because of 16 or so cases of C19 in the crew. Interrupted an extremely expensive operation.

I can really see not letting Greene into my sub, prison, day care, old folk's home, or car without knowing her vax status.

 

[Jarhyn]

I wonder if the ACLU will help them given how often such people vilify the ACLU.

Of course they would, if asked. They have helped Nazis before.
But...there are people watching. People who would love to be able to say "Nazis Need Help From ACLU!" And would bring it up every election.

But, are these people on lockdown for what they did in January? Or fir their current stance on masks, vaccines, etc.? Same for the 'inspectors.'

A Trident sub recently pulled into port abruptly because of 16 or so cases of C19 in the crew. Interrupted an extremely expensive operation.

I can really see not letting Greene into my sub, prison, day care, old folk's home, or car without knowing her vax status.

I gotta say, it did feel nice this afternoon telling a wad of plague rats on the sidewalk to get fucked, as they were on their way to the shitty circus happening nearby today in the city.

I certainly won't be attending such events for some time, so long as the plague rats are out in force at them.

It's almost enough to take up drinking milkshakes.

 

[laughing dog]

That was just some photo op because no one with a functioning brain would think they have a right to enter any corrections facility.

 

[Keith&Co.]

That was just some photo op because no one with a functioning brain would think they have a right to enter any corrections facility.

Oh, i'm sure they have the right. Whatshispedo is on the judiciary committee after all. But i am also sure there is a process, initiated well in advance. You don't just show up and say, "I'm here tae see yer tapestries," and walk inside.
Gosh, cannot imagine these fucking idiots skipping the Bare Minimum to accomplish a stated goal. And then having the audacity to look surprised....

 

[Jarhyn]

That was just some photo op because no one with a functioning brain would think they have a right to enter any corrections facility.

Oh, i'm sure they have the right. Whatshispedo is on the judiciary committee after all. But i am also sure there is a process, initiated well in advance. You don't just show up and say, "I'm here tae see yer tapestries," and walk inside.
Gosh, cannot imagine these fucking idiots skipping the Bare Minimum to accomplish a stated goal. And then having the audacity to look surprised....

I'm not sure. It may be something that, for very good and clear reason, the warden and those involved may have more immediate authority to deny this request than even someone on the judiciary committee has power to go above.

I would be interested to see an analysis of the legalities and authority structures at play here.

Recall that even if the post general himself walked in and sauntered up to the arms room, that lowly private would be EXPECTED to tell him that he cannot give the general a rifle from this arms room, sir, and they will have to come back once proper orders have been received.

 

[Keith&Co.]

the warden and those involved may have more immediate authority to deny this request than even someone on the judiciary committee has power to go above.

Well, being on the committee doesn't grant actual power as in the chain of command. But there could be repercussions for pissing off a congresscritter who could vote on your funding.
We were alwsys nice to Congresspeople that came out, but they always made sure to arrange every detail. Either thrir office or someone trying to cover the aide's ignorance to ensure a good visit.

 

[lpetrich]

GOP Congressman Says He Wants to Bust Out Jan. 6 ‘Political Prisoners’

When Republican Rep. Madison Cawthorn was asked about what he’s doing to help the hundreds in jail awaiting trial for their roles in the violent January 6 riots, he called them “political prisoners”—and said he wanted to “bust them out.”

“The big problem is we don’t actually know who all the political prisoners are, and so if we were actually to go and try to bust them out—and let me tell you, the reason why they have taken these political prisoners is they’re trying to make an example, because they don’t want to see the mass protest going on in Washington,” he said at a Macon County Republican Party event on Sunday.

His speech was streamed live on Facebook by the Macon County Republican Party on Sunday.

Yancy on Twitter: "Tonight @RepCawthorn was @ a GOP event in NC. He repeatedly refers to the 1/6 arrestees as political prisoners. In the context of that, he's asked at 0:57 of this clip, "When are you gonna call us to Washington again?" He responds, "we are actively working on that one." 1/2 (link)" / Twitter

Yancy on Twitter: "2/2 @fbi @SpeakerPelosi @BennieGThompson @RepAdamSchiff @PeteAguilar @RepRaskin @ElaineLuriaVA @RepLizCheney @RepKinzinger @SpeakerPelosi Cawthorn admits they are planning a second insurrection. Watch the video in the 1st tweet in the thread. It's from a tonight in Macon Co, NC" / Twitter

Yancy on Twitter: "@ColMorrisDavis @NonNumberChar @trustscience92 @muh_thoughts @FPWellman @WNC_Politico @davidbwheeler Make this go viral. Cawthorn admitted involvement in 1/6 and that he's involved in planning another. Thanks to @imma_back for the Facebook Live video from the GOP event tonight." / Twitter

 

[jab]

GOP Congressman Says He Wants to Bust Out Jan. 6 ‘Political Prisoners’

When Republican Rep. Madison Cawthorn was asked about what he’s doing to help the hundreds in jail awaiting trial for their roles in the violent January 6 riots, he called them “political prisoners”—and said he wanted to “bust them out.”

“The big problem is we don’t actually know who all the political prisoners are, and so if we were actually to go and try to bust them out—and let me tell you, the reason why they have taken these political prisoners is they’re trying to make an example, because they don’t want to see the mass protest going on in Washington,” he said at a Macon County Republican Party event on Sunday.

His speech was streamed live on Facebook by the Macon County Republican Party on Sunday.

Yancy on Twitter: "Tonight @RepCawthorn was @ a GOP event in NC. He repeatedly refers to the 1/6 arrestees as political prisoners. In the context of that, he's asked at 0:57 of this clip, "When are you gonna call us to Washington again?" He responds, "we are actively working on that one." 1/2 (link)" / Twitter

Yancy on Twitter: "2/2 @fbi @SpeakerPelosi @BennieGThompson @RepAdamSchiff @PeteAguilar @RepRaskin @ElaineLuriaVA @RepLizCheney @RepKinzinger @SpeakerPelosi Cawthorn admits they are planning a second insurrection. Watch the video in the 1st tweet in the thread. It's from a tonight in Macon Co, NC" / Twitter

Yancy on Twitter: "@ColMorrisDavis @NonNumberChar @trustscience92 @muh_thoughts @FPWellman @WNC_Politico @davidbwheeler Make this go viral. Cawthorn admitted involvement in 1/6 and that he's involved in planning another. Thanks to @imma_back for the Facebook Live video from the GOP event tonight." / Twitter

Sounds like you guys in the U. S. have a traitor in Congress.

 

[Trausti]

Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources

“Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases," said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. "Then you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized. But there was no grand scheme with Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all of these people to storm the Capitol and take hostages."

But so far prosecutors have steered clear of more serious, politically-loaded charges that the sources said had been initially discussed by prosecutors, such as seditious conspiracy or racketeering.

In public comments last month to the Democratic-led congressional committee formed to investigate the violence, police officers injured in the mayhem urged lawmakers to determine whether Trump helped instigate it. Some Democrats have said they want him to testify.

But the FBI has so far found no evidence that he or people directly around him were involved in organizing the violence, according to the four current and former law enforcement officials.

 

[ZiprHead]

Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources

In public comments last month to the Democratic-led congressional committee formed to investigate the violence, police officers injured in the mayhem urged lawmakers to determine whether Trump helped instigate it. Some Democrats have said they want him to testify.

But the FBI has so far found no evidence that he or people directly around him were involved in organizing the violence, according to the four current and former law enforcement officials.

There was little coordination during the French revolution too. Didn't stop heads from rolling.

You appear to be trying to downplay the seriousness of the 1/6 insurrection. Why?

 

[Elixir]

Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources

In public comments last month to the Democratic-led congressional committee formed to investigate the violence, police officers injured in the mayhem urged lawmakers to determine whether Trump helped instigate it. Some Democrats have said they want him to testify.

But the FBI has so far found no evidence that he or people directly around him were involved in organizing the violence, according to the four current and former law enforcement officials.

There was little coordination during the French revolution too. Didn't stop heads from rolling.

Hard to prove (at this point) that Trump knowingly, passively abetted insurrection by not discouraging a ragtag mob of violence-prone organizations and individuals from assembling then marching on and attacking the Capitol...

His intent to kill Mike pence isn't likely to leave any evidence, his desire to suspend Constitutional process was clear and up front. There would be little or no evidence of illegal involvement on Trump's part no matter how deeply and directly he was involved in planning the outcome, because just like in the Russia collusion, it was all verbal. And even then, implied rather than stated outright - mobster-style. Translators silenced, no recordings. If there's one thing Trump knows how to do it's to keep Trump and consequences well separated. Barring some really strong witness testimony from people not likely to give it, "beyond reasonable doubt" is going to be a hard sell to a jury.

I would argue that he could have intervened in and stopped a violent crime against the Constitution and the Citizens of the United States of America, and failed to do so. The ONLY reason was that Trump thought there was a possibility the mob might put a halt to constitutional processes (and maybe even hang Mike Pence!) so he could be re-throned. Corrupt intent? IANAL, but it looks like a fair call from here.
At some point, criminal charges have to come into play. There may be 30% of the potential jury pool who wouldn't vote to convict Trump even if he shot their mother on 5th Avenue, but charges still need to be brought when the crimes are committed - just ask any lawnorder Republican.

You [@Trausti] appear to be trying to downplay the seriousness of the 1/6 insurrection. Why?

Yeah, inquiring minds want to know.

 

[RVonse]

You appear to be trying to downplay the seriousness of the 1/6 insurrection. Why?

Your comment was for Trausti and not myself. But I'm pretty sure everyone politically believes what happened was serious. The big difference Trausti sheds light on, is that the CNN camp would believe these were conspiracies committed to a legitimate government by political organizations, therefore warranting serious consequences. Where as I am guessing the other camp also believes this was profoundly serious. But as a badly needed wake up call just how much hated the elite are in Washington right now.

So both camps probably believe this was a serious event. Just different reasons why it was serious.

 

[Trausti]

Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources

In public comments last month to the Democratic-led congressional committee formed to investigate the violence, police officers injured in the mayhem urged lawmakers to determine whether Trump helped instigate it. Some Democrats have said they want him to testify.

But the FBI has so far found no evidence that he or people directly around him were involved in organizing the violence, according to the four current and former law enforcement officials.

There was little coordination during the French revolution too. Didn't stop heads from rolling.

You appear to be trying to downplay the seriousness of the 1/6 insurrection. Why?

How many have been charged with insurrection / sedition?

 

[Trausti]

The answer is ZERO.

 

[ZiprHead]

There was little coordination during the French revolution too. Didn't stop heads from rolling.

You appear to be trying to downplay the seriousness of the 1/6 insurrection. Why?

How many have been charged with insurrection / sedition?

The answer is ZERO.

Is that supposed to mean something?

 

[Trausti]

The answer is ZERO.

Is that supposed to mean something?

You insist on labeling them insurrectionist. [Edited]

 

[ZiprHead]

The answer is ZERO.

Is that supposed to mean something?

You insist on labeling them insurrectionist. Is this due to ignorance or calumny?

insurrection n

: the act or an instance of revolting esp. violently against civil or political authority or against an established government. ;also. : the crime of inciting or engaging in such revolt [whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or against the authority of the United States…

So are you saying the above didn't happen on 1/6?

 

[Trausti]

You insist on labeling them insurrectionist. Is this due to ignorance or calumny?

insurrection n

: the act or an instance of revolting esp. violently against civil or political authority or against an established government. ;also. : the crime of inciting or engaging in such revolt [whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or against the authority of the United States…

So are you saying the above didn't happen on 1/6?

Woah there, Mr. Straw man. Some may have trespassed and others destroyed property. But there’s no insurrection or seditious conspiracy. Pity your precious narrative.