# The trials of the Capitol assaulters

#### TomC

##### Celestial Highness
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Is this the same Trump who offered to pay the legal bills for any of his supporters who got carried away at a rally and were accused of crimes?
I'm pretty sure it is.

Of course, that was also back when Trump was so rich he didn't need campaign donations. He was not corrupted or corruptible. Because he didn't need anyone else's money, he was already Super rich and could pay for his own campaign.
Tom

#### Shadowy Man

##### Veteran Member

There’s a Trump tweet for any occasion.

#### lpetrich

##### Contributor
'QAnon Shaman' lawyer to Trump: Take care of 'the jack----s that you f----- up' | TheHill
noting
QAnon Shaman's Lawyer Has a Suggestion for Trump

A reporter asked lawyer Albert Watkins what would be “appropriate accountability” for Trump. “If you’re asking my opinion, my opinion is meaningless,” he responded, continuing with
I will say that I would probably be far more effective over a beer with former President Trump, even if he didn’t have a beer, because I understand he doesn’t drink beer, but I’d have a beer. And I’d tell him, ‘You know what? You’ve got a few fucking things to do. Including clearing this fucking mess up and taking care of a lot of the jackasses that you fucked up because of January 6.

Hard to tell what he wanted to do.

#### lpetrich

##### Contributor
Scott MacFarlane on Twitter: ""NOT UNLIKE WHAT KYLE RITTENHOUSE DID"

On same day as Rittenhouse verdict, defense for accused Proud Boy files this motion in January 6 case...

It argues the Proud Boys came to DC on Jan 6 to "defend vulnerable demonstrators" ===> (pic link)" / Twitter

Actually, the Proud Boys primarily came to Washington, D.C. on January 6, 2021, to patrol the perimeter of the crowds and the places where crowds were gathered to defend vulnerable demonstrators against violent attacks from ANTIFA, not unlike what Kyle Rittenhouse did in Kenosah, Wisconsin. The Government argues that the best evidence of what these Proud Boys planned to do is what they actually did. What did they do? What they actually did, as shown in one 1:40 hour segment of the Eddie Block raw video for his documentary was stand around, smoke a cigarette, take pictures facing away with the Capitol over their shoulder, and patrol around a large rectangle around Capitol Hill taunting Antifa and chanting once at D C. police "DO YOUR JOB!" See- (link) What they actually planned to do and did was to make sure that the defenseless Trump supporters in the gun free zone of D.C. did not get jumped and stabbed by the rioters who had run amok all during 2020, as ANTIFA had stabbed people on December 12, 2020. However, within the terms of what the Indictment alleges, the Indictment admits that Zachary Rehl's intentions with regard to the Joint Session of Congress was for Congress to debate and resolve disputes about the Electoral College votes from disputed votes.

#### lpetrich

##### Contributor
Al Gore 'was a man' about his election loss, unlike Donald Trump, federal judge says - CNNPolitics
"Al Gore had a better case to argue than Mr. Trump, but he was a man about what happened to him," Senior District Judge Reggie Walton said of Gore's decision to end his presidential bid following weeks of legal battles. "He accepted it and walked away."

The comments from Walton came during a plea hearing for Capitol riot defendant Adam Johnson, who was photographed carrying House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's lectern through the Capitol building. He pleaded guilty on Monday to a low-level charge of entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds.

"What concerns me, sir, is that you were gullible enough to come to Washington, DC, from Florida based on a lie," Walton said, "and the person who inspired you to do what you do is still making those statements, and my concern is that you are gullible enough to do it again."
He's right about that. Trump has shown himself to have the emotional maturity of a toddler.
More than 130 defendants have pleaded guilty so far to charges connected to the Capitol riot, with most to date admitting to misdemeanor charges.

Man who organized bus travel sentenced to 60 days in jail

Frank Scavo, who told local news outlets and the FBI he organized several buses to bring people from eastern Pennsylvania to Washington for the January 6 rally, was sentenced to 60 days in jail on Monday and received the maximum fine of $5,000. #### blastula ##### Contributor Another poor patriot getting purged. #### Loren Pechtel ##### Super Moderator Staff member Another poor patriot getting purged. I wish that was enough to get him an attempted murder conviction but I doubt it. #### lpetrich ##### Contributor The Geniuses Behind January 6 Really Don't Know When to Shut the F*ck Up Once the good people of America completely convert this old republic into a Dollar Store dictatorship, I am still going to be astonished at how baffled the January 6 insurrectionists apparently are by the concept of covert operations. Yes, the person who left the pipe bombs in front of the two national party headquarters remains at large, but that person is a tiny exception to a massive rule. On the day of the insurrection, the lot of them behaved like grandmothers on their first trip to Vegas. Between Instagram videos, Tweets, and Facebook extravaganzas, these people simply don’t know when to shut…the…fck…up. They can’t even do it while talking to law enforcement officers who are committed to throwing them into the sneezer for several seasons. Armed US Capitol rioter tells investigators if he had found Pelosi, 'you'd be here for another reason' - CNNPolitics Mark Mazza has been charged with five federal crimes, including illegal possession of a firearm on Capitol grounds and assaulting, resisting or impeding certain officers with a dangerous weapon. According to the court documents, he lost his firearm during a battle with police on the Lower West Terrace of the Capitol building. Police recovered the gun -- a Taurus revolver -- which was loaded with five rounds, including shotgun ammunition capable of going after "multiple targets at the same time," investigators said. Investigators found Mazza after he reported to local police that the gun was stolen from his car in Ohio, though he later admitted to the FBI that he falsified the report in case a member of Antifa found and killed someone with the weapon. Falsifying a report to the police? Mazza also denied assaulting police, though footage from the Capitol building allegedly shows Mazza swinging a baton at a line of officers. Mazza told investigators that he "never did get to talk to Nancy" and thought he and the California Democrat would "hit it off." Is he saying that he and NP would become good friends? Participating in a lynch mob that targeted supposed traitors is not a good way to do that. "I was glad I didn't, because you'd be here for another reason," he said. That's rather cryptic. Mazza also claimed he was prepared to surrender because he "may go down as a hero," referred to himself as a nonviolent patriot and requested that he be placed in a "fed," if he was arrested so that he would be given "three squares, a nice clean room" and free health care. #### lpetrich ##### Contributor Man Who Threatened To Shoot Nancy Pelosi Pleads Guilty Officials said Meredith arrived hauling a trailer, a rifle, a Glock 9mm handgun, 10 large-capacity magazines, and more than 2,500 rounds of ammunition. According to a federal indictment, Meredith told a relative that he had headed to DC with "a shit ton" of armor-piercing ammo. Then, the day after the Capitol attack, he texted a family member that he was "thinking about heading over to Pelosi CUNT's speech and putting a bullet in her noggin on Live TV." A Doylestown woman who said she wanted to shoot Pelosi ‘in the friggin’ brain’ pleaded guilty to Capitol riot charges A Bucks County gym owner who recorded herself during the storming of the Capitol saying she was looking for Nancy Pelosi “to shoot her in the friggin’ brain” pleaded guilty to a federal misdemeanor Tuesday, making her the latest Pennsylvanian to admit her role in the Jan. 6 riot. Dawn Bancroft, 59, of Doylestown, told a federal judge she didn’t mean to threaten the House speaker and described her remark in hindsight as a “stupid, juvenile comment” made in the heat of the moment. 3 Bucks County Residents Plead Guilty To Roles In Capitol Riot | Doylestown, PA Patch Steven Arthur Martis of Arizona convicted after threatening Nancy Pelosi - CNNPolitics According to federal prosecutors, Steven Arthur Martis, 77, of Bullhead City, Arizona, called the California Democrat's office on January 17, 2021, and left two voicemails, one indicating, "I'm coming to kill you," and a second claiming "you're dead." CNN has reached out to the public defender representing Martis for comment on the conviction. The two threatening voicemails received by Pelosi's office occurred after the FBI had already warned Martis following similar previous calls, the DOJ statement said. #### blastula ##### Contributor Et tu, Judas? #### lpetrich ##### Contributor #### lpetrich ##### Contributor #### Keith&Co. ##### Contributor Ryan told Insider the backlash had made her afraid to speak her mind. Opinions are like assholes. They can be examined. When an expert (or the entire fucking internet) tells you there's something wrong with yours, you might want to pay attention to them. #### Jimmy Higgins ##### Contributor Capitol Rioter Boasted About Being White, Blond, Now Says Silenced • In March, Jenna Ryan tweeted that she wouldn't be imprisoned because she's white and blond. • She received a lot of backlash for the tweet, which a judge cited during her sentencing. • Ryan told Insider the backlash had made her afraid to speak her mind. What a big baby. Afraid to speak her mind? We speak our minds all the time! We don't break into the Capitol Bldg trying to get the guy we want re-elected! #### Jimmy Higgins ##### Contributor JUST IN: Marjorie Taylor Greene Leads Group Demanding 'Justice' For Jan. 6 Detainees - YouTube "Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, along with Rep. Matt Gaetz, Rep. Paul Gosar and Rep. Louie Gohmert held a press conference Tuesday to call on justice for the detainees of the January 6th Capitol attack." Does anyone else find it amusing when right-wingers act like card-carrying members of the ACLU? Less funny when these allegedly pro-Police people are rallying for justice for the people that assaulted the police. #### Loren Pechtel ##### Super Moderator Staff member #### blastula ##### Contributor WASHINGTON, D.C. (WFLA) – Florida resident Robert Palmer was sentenced to 63 months in prison on Friday in connection with the Jan. 6 insurrection in Washington D.C. where he was seen on video throwing a fire extinguisher and other items at Capitol police officers. Palmer’s 63-month sentence is the longest sentence any of the suspects arrested so far have received. That's more like it. Still quite the injustice that the minion dupes get locked away while their mob boss waddles around free. #### lpetrich ##### Contributor Cleveland Meredith sentenced to 28 months for threats to Nancy Pelosi in D.C. - The Washington Post - "Cleveland Meredith Jr. repeatedly texted family and friends saying he hoped to shoot Pelosi and assault the nation’s capital" As Cleveland G. Meredith Jr., a devoted follower of the radical QAnon ideology, drove toward the nation’s capital from Colorado on Jan. 6 with a cache of guns, 2,500 rounds of ammunition and high-capacity magazines, he repeatedly texted his family and friends ominous sentiments. One message said he was “gonna collect a … ton of Traitors heads.” When a family member responded that President Donald Trump wanted him to go home, Meredith strongly disagreed and said: “he wants HEADS and I’m gonna deliver.” Meredith didn’t arrive in Washington until late that night, but the next day he informed his family that he was considering shooting both D.C. Mayor Muriel E. Bowser (D) and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), twice texting that he was considering “putting a bullet in her [Pelosi’s] noggin on live TV.” His family called the FBI. He was soon arrested, and he was recently sentenced to 28 months in prison. US District Judge Amy Berman Jackson: In a 50-minute analysis of Meredith’s case, Jackson pointedly read aloud every text message listed by prosecutors in a sentencing brief, many of them vulgar, to emphasize her view that “the level of discourse in this country has become so debased and degraded.” The judge said that Meredith truly was “strategizing on best way to assault this city,” as he wrote in one text on Jan. 7. “It is not patriotism,” the judge told Meredith, “it is not standing up for America and it is not justified to descend on the nation’s capital at the direction of a disappointed candidate and threaten members of the other party. Canceling out the votes of others at the point of a gun is the utter antithesis of what America stands for, it is the definition of tyranny and authoritarianism.” He lived in Hayesville, NC, and he went to Colorado to spend some time with his ex-wife and his sons. He brought some guns and ammo with him. Judge ABJ noted that 1000 rounds of armor-piercing ammo, high-capacity ammo magazines, and an assault rifle with a telescopic sight were likely not needed for target practice with his kids. Starting on Jan. 4, Meredith began driving toward Washington with his weapons and his ATVs, which he said in some texts he might need to break through to the U.S. Capitol. “We’re gonna surround DC and slowly constrict,” Meredith wrote. All-terrain vehicles, presumably in the back of his pickup truck or in a trailer. I don't see how those would be very useful in an urban environment. In 2018, Meredith erected a billboard in Acworth, Ga., that read, “#QANON,” telling the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that he was “a patriot among the millions who love this country.” But on his way to DC, his truck broke down, and he did not reach DC in time for the action. While en route, he wrote, “3.5 hours until target practice.” A family member responded, “Please stop talking like that.” The next day, Meredith sent texts such as, “I may wander over to the mayor’s office and put a 5.56 in her skull” and “Thinking about heading over to Pelosi … speech and putting a bullet in her noggin on live TV,” court records show. Later that afternoon, not far from the Capitol, he got into a fight with a passenger in a car, which had stopped in front of him, and was charged with assault. When he returned to his hotel in Southwest Washington and continued to text threats, which his lawyer noted were not sent to any of the targets, his family called the FBI. #### lpetrich ##### Contributor Ashli Babbitt ‘rammed SUV three times into car of future husband’s girlfriend’ The first time Celeste Norris laid eyes on Ashli Babbitt, the future insurrectionist had just rammed her vehicle three times with an SUV and was pounding on the window, challenging her to a fight. Norris says the bad blood between them began in 2015, when Babbitt engaged in a monthslong extramarital affair with Norris’ longtime live-in boyfriend. When she learned of the relationship, Norris called Babbitt’s husband and told him she was cheating. “She pulls up yelling and screaming,” Norris said in an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, recounting the July 29, 2016, road-rage incident in Prince Frederick, Maryland “It took me a good 30 seconds to figure out who she was. … Just all sorts of expletives, telling me to get out of the car, that she was going to beat my ass.” She was then charged with several misdemeanors. A case report from the Calvert County Sheriff’s Office obtained by the AP shows Ashli Babbitt was issued a criminal summons on charges of reckless endangerment, a misdemeanor punishable by up to five years in prison and a$5,000 fine. She was also charged with malicious destruction of property for the damage to Norris’ vehicle.

Court records show those charges were later updated to include traffic offenses — reckless driving, negligent driving and failure to control a vehicle’s speed to avoid a collision.

Photos from the scene provided to the AP by Norris show Babbitt’s white Ford Explorer with its front bumper smashed in. The SUV’s grill is also pushed in and the hood dented. The rear bumper of Norris’ Escape is pushed in on the passenger side, with the detached Maryland license plate from the front bumper of Babbitt’s SUV wedged into it.

Norris later got a judicial order that barred Ashli Babbitt from attempting to contact Norris, committing further acts of violence against her and going to her home or workplace.
Almost like Lauren Boebert.

#### Elixir

##### Made in America
Ashli Babbitt ‘rammed SUV three times into car of future husband’s girlfriend’
The first time Celeste Norris laid eyes on Ashli Babbitt, the future insurrectionist had just rammed her vehicle three times with an SUV and was pounding on the window, challenging her to a fight.

Norris says the bad blood between them began in 2015, when Babbitt engaged in a monthslong extramarital affair with Norris’ longtime live-in boyfriend. When she learned of the relationship, Norris called Babbitt’s husband and told him she was cheating.

“She pulls up yelling and screaming,” Norris said in an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, recounting the July 29, 2016, road-rage incident in Prince Frederick, Maryland “It took me a good 30 seconds to figure out who she was. … Just all sorts of expletives, telling me to get out of the car, that she was going to beat my ass.”
She was then charged with several misdemeanors.
A case report from the Calvert County Sheriff’s Office obtained by the AP shows Ashli Babbitt was issued a criminal summons on charges of reckless endangerment, a misdemeanor punishable by up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine. She was also charged with malicious destruction of property for the damage to Norris’ vehicle. Court records show those charges were later updated to include traffic offenses — reckless driving, negligent driving and failure to control a vehicle’s speed to avoid a collision. Photos from the scene provided to the AP by Norris show Babbitt’s white Ford Explorer with its front bumper smashed in. The SUV’s grill is also pushed in and the hood dented. The rear bumper of Norris’ Escape is pushed in on the passenger side, with the detached Maryland license plate from the front bumper of Babbitt’s SUV wedged into it. Norris later got a judicial order that barred Ashli Babbitt from attempting to contact Norris, committing further acts of violence against her and going to her home or workplace. Almost like Lauren Boebert. A perfect right wing heroine. #### ZiprHead ##### Loony Running The Asylum Staff member Ashli Babbitt ‘rammed SUV three times into car of future husband’s girlfriend’ The first time Celeste Norris laid eyes on Ashli Babbitt, the future insurrectionist had just rammed her vehicle three times with an SUV and was pounding on the window, challenging her to a fight. Norris says the bad blood between them began in 2015, when Babbitt engaged in a monthslong extramarital affair with Norris’ longtime live-in boyfriend. When she learned of the relationship, Norris called Babbitt’s husband and told him she was cheating. “She pulls up yelling and screaming,” Norris said in an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, recounting the July 29, 2016, road-rage incident in Prince Frederick, Maryland “It took me a good 30 seconds to figure out who she was. … Just all sorts of expletives, telling me to get out of the car, that she was going to beat my ass.” She was then charged with several misdemeanors. A case report from the Calvert County Sheriff’s Office obtained by the AP shows Ashli Babbitt was issued a criminal summons on charges of reckless endangerment, a misdemeanor punishable by up to five years in prison and a$5,000 fine. She was also charged with malicious destruction of property for the damage to Norris’ vehicle.

Court records show those charges were later updated to include traffic offenses — reckless driving, negligent driving and failure to control a vehicle’s speed to avoid a collision.

Photos from the scene provided to the AP by Norris show Babbitt’s white Ford Explorer with its front bumper smashed in. The SUV’s grill is also pushed in and the hood dented. The rear bumper of Norris’ Escape is pushed in on the passenger side, with the detached Maryland license plate from the front bumper of Babbitt’s SUV wedged into it.

Norris later got a judicial order that barred Ashli Babbitt from attempting to contact Norris, committing further acts of violence against her and going to her home or workplace.
Almost like Lauren Boebert.
Boebert's record is much longer.

#### Swammerdami

##### Squadron Leader
Staff member
30% of Americans regard the J6 criminals and traitors as "heroes," and the cops who protected Congressmen's lives as the "enemy." Astli Babbitt was a dainty Republican philosopher who never hurt a soul, but who was murdered in cold blood by a cop. A BLACK cop who probably voted for Hillary and wears a Covid mask to show his contempt for the true President.

Ashli Babbitt ‘rammed SUV three times into car of future husband’s girlfriend’
The first time Celeste Norris laid eyes on Ashli Babbitt, the future insurrectionist had just rammed her vehicle three times with an SUV and was pounding on the window, challenging her to a fight....
“She pulls up yelling and screaming,” Norris said in an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, recounting the July 29, 2016, road-rage incident in Prince Frederick, Maryland “It took me a good 30 seconds to figure out who she was. … Just all sorts of expletives, telling me to get out of the car, that she was going to beat my ass.”
She was then charged with several misdemeanors.
A case report from the Calvert County Sheriff’s Office obtained by the AP shows Ashli Babbitt was issued a criminal summons on charges of reckless endangerment, a misdemeanor punishable by up to five years in prison and a \$5,000 fine. She was also charged with malicious destruction of property for the damage to Norris’ vehicle.

Court records show those charges were later updated to include traffic offenses — reckless driving, negligent driving and failure to control a vehicle’s speed to avoid a collision....
Almost like Lauren Boebert.

A perfect right wing heroine.

Maybe. Should we ask some right-wingers?

Or Ashli Babbitt.

Ashli Babbitt wasn't running away. She was actively engaged in an armed insurrection--treason, in fact. ...

There’s video of this, ya know? Showing armed police right behind her. She wasn’t a physical threat to anyone.... Yet, you’re okay killing her because you disagree with her politically.
So felony trespassing and destruction with the intention of murdering elected Congresscritters is just another political view"?

Right-whingers think it very important to point out that one of the men Kyle Rittenhouse killed had a traffic warrant out, or that Eric Garner was selling loosies: Is it off-limits to examine Ms. Babbitt's past behavior? @Trausti @Derec — is she still one of your heroines? Assuming you've bothered to click a link, do you still regard her as a paradigm of dainty Republican virtues?

#### Swammerdami

##### Squadron Leader
Staff member
"Cleveland Meredith Jr. repeatedly texted family and friends saying he hoped to shoot Pelosi and assault the nation’s capital"
One message said he was “gonna collect a … ton of Traitors heads.”
... twice texting that he was considering “putting a bullet in her [Pelosi’s] noggin on live TV.”

His family called the FBI.
He was soon arrested, and he was recently sentenced to 28 months in prison.

Judge ABJ noted that 1000 rounds of armor-piercing ammo, high-capacity ammo magazines, and an assault rifle with a telescopic sight were likely not needed for target practice with his kids.,,,
... The next day, Meredith sent texts such as, “I may wander over to the mayor’s office and put a 5.56 in her skull” and “Thinking about heading over to Pelosi … speech and putting a bullet in her noggin on live TV,”
Only 28 months? Couldn't they find anyone to testify he'd once smoked some marijuana? — Then he could have been given some serious time.

#### Jarhyn

##### Wizard
JUST IN: Marjorie Taylor Greene Leads Group Demanding 'Justice' For Jan. 6 Detainees - YouTube
"Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, along with Rep. Matt Gaetz, Rep. Paul Gosar and Rep. Louie Gohmert held a press conference Tuesday to call on justice for the detainees of the January 6th Capitol attack."

Does anyone else find it amusing when right-wingers act like card-carrying members of the ACLU?
They do it because they see the ACLU doing it effectively even against all their screaming whinges.

They say "doing things shaped like this gets those people what they want, maybe if I shape my arguments kind of like the thing that worked for them maybe people will do what I want this time".

They don't realize that when the ACLU does it they are saying 'dont be evil', and nothing that MTG or the treasonistas do will be able to twist that to 'its evil to not let us be evil' in any effective way.

#### Trausti

##### Contributor
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with the intention of murdering elected Congresscritters
What is that based on?

#### Jarhyn

##### Wizard
with the intention of murdering elected Congresscritters
What is that based on?
Reality. Try it sometime, I think you might like it.
Let's be honest here, reality really kinda sucks most days. I can totally understand why Trausti does not seem to like living here.

#### Patooka

##### Veteran Member
Let's be honest here, reality really kinda sucks most days. I can totally understand why Trausti does not seem to like living here.
A big reason why reality sucks is the amount of fuckwits who love living in make believe. I also think it's important to highlight the distinction between the occasional bout of escapism and a consistent wilful denial of cognitive input. The former's fine, the latter is destructive for pretty much everyone.

#### Jarhyn

##### Wizard
Let's be honest here, reality really kinda sucks most days. I can totally understand why Trausti does not seem to like living here.
A big reason why reality sucks is the amount of fuckwits who love living in make believe. I also think it's important to highlight the distinction between the occasional bout of escapism and a consistent wilful denial of cognitive input. The former's fine, the latter is destructive for pretty much everyone.
Damn, you got me there. ._.

#### Swammerdami

##### Squadron Leader
Staff member
Any case has to be judged on its own merits. If an Antifa throws a rock at a Proud Boy, then all the antifa attending that counter-protest are Accessories to Attempted Murder. OTOH charging Derek Chauvin with Murder was prosecutorial over-reach: If he had intended to kill he would have left his knee on Floyd's neck for at least ten minutes. He thought nine minutes was just right for causing brain damage without death.

with the intention of murdering elected Congresscritters
What is that based on?
Reality. Try it sometime, I think you might like it.
Let's be honest here, reality really kinda sucks most days. I can totally understand why Trausti does not seem to like living here.
Did the QAnon nutjob Ashli Babbitt even know she had joined the group to hang Mike Pence and shoot Nancy Pelosi in the frigging brain? Or was she too tramautized from her military adventures in Iraq and Calvert County to even hear what they were saying? Maybe she thought crossing a barricaded door through the broken window was just part of the visitor's tour organized by Lauren Boebert. We'll never know the answers to these questions because a black cop put the lives of Pence, Pelosi and the others he'd been sworn to protect above the life of this deranged insurrectionist.

In between her tours of duty in Maryland and Washington D.C. Ms. Babbitt told an interviewer she was a "libertarian." So another thing we'll never be able to ask this QAnon whack-job is what "libertarian" means: a pressing question which our intellectual Jason H apparently refuses to answer.

#### marc

##### Veteran Member
Let's be honest here, reality really kinda sucks most days. I can totally understand why Trausti does not seem to like living here.
A big reason why reality sucks is the amount of fuckwits who love living in make believe. I also think it's important to highlight the distinction between the occasional bout of escapism and a consistent wilful denial of cognitive input. The former's fine, the latter is destructive for pretty much everyone.
like the difference between people who love the Harry Potter books as great fantasy, and those that hate them because they teach ‘witchcraft’. Both might be living in a fantasy world, but only one thinks it is real.

#### Patooka

##### Veteran Member
Let's be honest here, reality really kinda sucks most days. I can totally understand why Trausti does not seem to like living here.
A big reason why reality sucks is the amount of fuckwits who love living in make believe. I also think it's important to highlight the distinction between the occasional bout of escapism and a consistent wilful denial of cognitive input. The former's fine, the latter is destructive for pretty much everyone.
Damn, you got me there. ._.
I wasn't trying to go tit for tat, but from my perspective it's pretty obvious to see the progression from "Obama is a Kenyan Muslim", to "Hillary hired Benjamin Ghazi to kill Americans", to "China created Covid for the sole purpose of making Trump look bad", to "Hang Mike Pence".

#### lpetrich

##### Contributor
Capitol rioter compares attacks on her to treatment of ‘Jews in Germany’
Ryan, 51, reported to prison Dec. 21. In an interview with NBC News five days earlier, she expressed regret for entering the Capitol but still portrayed herself as a victim. She went so far as to assert that the backlash she has received is akin to the experience of “the Jews in Germany.”

“They’re making fun of my skin color. They’re calling me an ‘insurrection Barbie,’” she said.

“They have no idea who I am as a person, what my beliefs are, what I’ve been through, who I am," she added. "They see me as a one-dimensional caricature. They don’t see me as a human.”

"And so, that is the epitome of a scapegoat. Just like they did that to the Jews in Germany. Those were scapegoats. And I believe that people who are Caucasian are being turned into evil in front of the media.”

Pressed whether she was comparing the situation to the Holocaust, Ryan said she was reluctant to say more.

“You know what’s so sad?” she responded. “That I’m afraid to answer your question because I will be attacked for saying that.”
What a big baby. Just like her hero.

#### ZiprHead

##### Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
Capitol rioter compares attacks on her to treatment of ‘Jews in Germany’
Ryan, 51, reported to prison Dec. 21. In an interview with NBC News five days earlier, she expressed regret for entering the Capitol but still portrayed herself as a victim. She went so far as to assert that the backlash she has received is akin to the experience of “the Jews in Germany.”

“They’re making fun of my skin color. They’re calling me an ‘insurrection Barbie,’” she said.

“They have no idea who I am as a person, what my beliefs are, what I’ve been through, who I am," she added. "They see me as a one-dimensional caricature. They don’t see me as a human.”

"And so, that is the epitome of a scapegoat. Just like they did that to the Jews in Germany. Those were scapegoats. And I believe that people who are Caucasian are being turned into evil in front of the media.”

Pressed whether she was comparing the situation to the Holocaust, Ryan said she was reluctant to say more.

“You know what’s so sad?” she responded. “That I’m afraid to answer your question because I will be attacked for saying that.”
What a big baby. Just like her hero.
At least she seems to have some introspection and can speak well, unlike her hero.

#### Keith&Co.

##### Contributor
“They’re making fun of my skin color. They’re calling me an ‘insurrection Barbie,’” she said.
You, uh, YOU were the one who introduced your SKIN COLOR to the argument, drawing a direct connection between you being white and you not going to jail.
So, are they making fun of you, as a white person?
Or are they making fun of you as an entitled bitch, whose (White) skin is in jail?

#### Jimmy Higgins

##### Contributor
Capitol rioter compares attacks on her to treatment of ‘Jews in Germany’
Ryan, 51, reported to prison Dec. 21. In an interview with NBC News five days earlier, she expressed regret for entering the Capitol but still portrayed herself as a victim. She went so far as to assert that the backlash she has received is akin to the experience of “the Jews in Germany.”

“They’re making fun of my skin color. They’re calling me an ‘insurrection Barbie,’” she said.

“They have no idea who I am as a person, what my beliefs are, what I’ve been through, who I am," she added. "They see me as a one-dimensional caricature. They don’t see me as a human.”

"And so, that is the epitome of a scapegoat. Just like they did that to the Jews in Germany. Those were scapegoats. And I believe that people who are Caucasian are being turned into evil in front of the media.”

Pressed whether she was comparing the situation to the Holocaust, Ryan said she was reluctant to say more.

“You know what’s so sad?” she responded. “That I’m afraid to answer your question because I will be attacked for saying that.”
What a big baby. Just like her hero.
She'll be attacked for saying her (and the white people) plight is like the Holocaust? She won't be, but could be argued that being such a stupid statement, it could be warranted.

Also I wasn't aware being guilty of a criminal offense made one a scapegoat. She knows what a scapegoat is, right? Blaming the rioters for rioting isn't scapegoating. Saying it was Pelosi's fault is.

#### Keith&Co.

##### Contributor

Also I wasn't aware being guilty of a criminal offense made one a scapegoat. She knows what a scapegoat is, right? Blaming the rioters for rioting isn't scapegoating. Saying it was Pelosi's fault is.
I think she's upset that of all the people who were involved, they're singling out the white people as 'the rioters.'

#### lpetrich

##### Contributor
'QAnon shaman' marks Jan. 6 anniversary with a bizarre rant about an underground civilization - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism
Jacob Chansley, who plans to appeal the 41-month sentence he got for his role in the riot, called into a program hosted by conspiracy theorist Ann Vendersteel to offer an evidence-free claim about “a breakaway civilization” that supposedly exists underground where the military is developing technology “several hundred years” more advanced than anything seen on Earth, reported Vice.

“We are going to see a whole new world, far beyond most people's imagining,” Chansley told his fellow conspiracy theorist
Right Wing Watch on Twitter: "QAnon Shaman Jake Angeli tells fellow QAnon conspiracy theorist Ann Vandersteel that there is "a breakaway civilization" deep underground where military bases are using technology hundreds of years more advanced than anything available on the surface. (vid link)" / Twitter

#### Don2 (Don1 Revised)

##### Contributor
I'm not worried. If they come up out of the ground, Tom Cruise can stop them.

#### lpetrich

##### Contributor
Sobbing Jan. 6 insurrectionist sent to prison after lawyer argues his brain was not fully developed - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism
The now 20-year-old has been sentenced to 14 days in prison, despite his lawyer's argument that his brain may not have been fully developed to understand the crimes he was committing, The New York Post reported.

Ridge was responsible for breaking open the doors to the offices of Sen. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA). He also admitted to spending nearly 40 minutes inside the U.S. Capitol.

After the insurrection, Ridge told his Snapchat followers that he had "just made history" and that “I hate to say it but like the time for us to fight is here.” But for all intents and purposes, his tune seems to be changing now.

“If I could do it over again, I would have never entered that building or done any of the things I did that day,” he outwardly sobbed to U.S. District Judge John E. Boasberg on Tuesday.
noting
Capitol rioter's lawyer argued client's brain wasn't fully developed

I thought that right-wingers believed in personal responsibility.

#### lpetrich

##### Contributor
'Do it again? I want to say yes': Defiant MAGA rioter tells CNN he didn't do 'anything wrong' - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism
MAGA rioter Josh Pruitt remained defiant during a CNN interview this week in which he said he didn't believe he'd done anything wrong despite the damning evidence federal prosecutors have accumulated against him.

During the interview, CNN reporter Jessica Schneider asked Pruitt if he'd still storm the Capitol despite the severe legal consequences he's facing.

"So you asked me if I'd do it again?" Pruitt said. "I want to say yes."

However, Pruitt added that he's not sure he could definitively say he'd do it again because the last year had been such a miserable experience.

"I don't feel I did anything wrong but knowing the consequences that came out of it would be the part that would make me question it," he admitted.
Then
'Last straw': MAGA rioter could be headed back to jail after telling CNN he’d storm Capitol again - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism
Now, federal prosecutors are seeking to revoke Pruitt's pretrial release and lock him up, pointing to his nationally televised statements, as well as numerous curfew violations and threats he's allegedly made against his ex-girlfriend and others.
noting
DOJ wants Proud Boy Joshua Pruitt sent back to jail | wusa9.com
According to prosecutors, Pruitt was already on probation in both Maryland and Georgia – and in fact was wearing a court-ordered GPS monitor – when he breached the Capitol.

Pruitt was granted pretrial release under a high-intensity supervision program after his arrest in January. His release conditions include staying away from U.S. Capitol grounds, not possessing a firearm and a 10 p.m. – 6 a.m. curfew.

According to a brief filed Thursday by the Justice Department, Pruitt has violated those conditions multiple times. Prosecutors said pretrial services had noted “multiple curfew infractions” and failures to report by phone in January, March and August, as well as a report of a domestic disturbance at his residence.

...
Prosecutors say Pruitt’s prior criminal history – which includes 19 prior arrests and eight convictions – show that he won’t abide by court ordered restrictions.

“The curfew violations here are the last straw,” prosecutors wrote. “Pruitt violated both probation and pretrial release conditions the moment he set foot in the Capitol. “Breaching the Capitol while being on GPS monitoring displayed a brazen disregard for the rule of law. When he was arrested that night, defendant was not honest with police: he told them he had sought to de-escalate. Throwing furniture is not de-escalating. From January 6, then, there were strong indications that Pruitt was not amenable to supervision, based on his criminal history and his conduct that day. There were also indications of danger, as seen in the violent images Pruitt posted and his confrontations with law enforcement and destruction of property on January 6.”

Prosecutors also said Pruitt had admitted in an interview with CNN aired Wednesday “to a willingness to storm the Capitol again (but for the risk of getting caught).”
Ouch.

Pissing off the prosecutors isn't going to make then want to be friends.

#### Keith&Co.

##### Contributor
According to prosecutors, Pruitt was already on probation in both Maryland and Georgia – and in fact was wearing a court-ordered GPS monitor – when he breached the Capitol.
I... uh... I have no words.

I don't say that often...

#### Keith&Co.

##### Contributor

People really called, saying they lost phones, purses, during the riot, wondering if they could claim their stuff.
Cops took their name, address, social, promised to tie up loose ends.

#### Swammerdami

##### Squadron Leader
Staff member
Sobbing Jan. 6 insurrectionist sent to prison after lawyer argues his brain was not fully developed - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism
The now 20-year-old has been sentenced to 14 days in prison, despite his lawyer's argument that his brain may not have been fully developed to understand the crimes he was committing, The New York Post reported....

“If I could do it over again, I would have never entered that building or done any of the things I did that day,” he outwardly sobbed to U.S. District Judge John E. Boasberg on Tuesday.
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Capitol rioter's lawyer argued client's brain wasn't fully developed

I thought that right-wingers believed in personal responsibility.

After the judge rejected the undeveloped-brain defense, why didn't they trot out Alex Jones' defense? Ridge was a comedian, play-acting as part of his audition for a FoxNews gig.

#### Jarhyn

##### Wizard
Capitol rioter compares attacks on her to treatment of ‘Jews in Germany’
Ryan, 51, reported to prison Dec. 21. In an interview with NBC News five days earlier, she expressed regret for entering the Capitol but still portrayed herself as a victim. She went so far as to assert that the backlash she has received is akin to the experience of “the Jews in Germany.”

“They’re making fun of my skin color. They’re calling me an ‘insurrection Barbie,’” she said.

“They have no idea who I am as a person, what my beliefs are, what I’ve been through, who I am," she added. "They see me as a one-dimensional caricature. They don’t see me as a human.”

"And so, that is the epitome of a scapegoat. Just like they did that to the Jews in Germany. Those were scapegoats. And I believe that people who are Caucasian are being turned into evil in front of the media.”

Pressed whether she was comparing the situation to the Holocaust, Ryan said she was reluctant to say more.

“You know what’s so sad?” she responded. “That I’m afraid to answer your question because I will be attacked for saying that.”
What a big baby. Just like her hero.
So, when you reduce your own existence to a single important dimension (you are dangerous) and only advertise the visibility of one other dimension ("basic"), you have nobody but yourself to blame for noticing that.

"People who are caucasian" such as her and her friends (and let's note before anyone can say "NoT AlL CAucAsIAnS!", That no, it's not all caucasians, just the specific "CaUcAsIaNS") just don't want you recognizing or identifying them, correctly, as racist!

Why does evil have to be so goddamn BASIC?!?

#### lpetrich

##### Contributor
with the intention of murdering elected Congresscritters
What is that based on?
I like it when a right-winger sounds like a sleazy defense lawyer.

#### Elixir

##### Made in America
with the intention of murdering elected Congresscritters
What is that based on?
I like it when a right-winger sounds like a sleazy defense lawyer.

So, you’re a really happy guy.
(They ALWAYS sound like that!)

#### lpetrich

##### Contributor
Oath Keepers founder got 'white glove treatment' from FBI during arrest: report
The founder of the extremist Oath Keepers group, Stewart Rhodes, reportedly got "white glove treatment" from FBI agents during his arrest Thursday after being indicted for seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol insurrection.

Rhodes was on the phone with an attorney, Jonathan Moseley, at the time of his arrest, according to BuzzFeed News' Ken Bensinger.

Bensinger said he spoke with Moseley on Thursday night.

Rhodes and Moseley reportedly were discussing whether the Oath Keepers founder would answer questions from the House Select Committee investigating the Capitol insurrection, when the FBI called on the other line.

"Unlike typical FBI arrests, which tend to happen at 6 a.m. and often involve battering rams and dogs, Rhodes appeared to get the white glove treatment," Bensinger reported. "He was asked politely to come outside and given time to dress, Moseley said."

Militia head warns feds: Don't 'Waco' the Oregon occupiers unless you want a 'bloody, brutal civil war' - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism
Stewart Rhodes, the eye-patch-wearing law graduate who was indicted for seditious conspiracy over the US Capitol assault, spent years preparing to do battle with a government he views as increasingly repressive.

Rhodes, 56, was singled out as the leader of the militant Oath Keeper group which spearheaded the attack on the Capitol by supporters of then-president Donald Trump, stockpiling weapons nearby for an armed insurrection.

In an indictment, the Justice Department detailed encrypted chats in which Rhodes urged Oath Keeper members to prepare for a revolution after Trump was defeated by Democrat Joe Biden in the November 2020 election.

"We aren't getting through this without civil war," he told them.

If Biden became president, he said, "It will be a bloody and desperate fight... That can't be avoided."

#### Don2 (Don1 Revised)

##### Contributor
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People really called, saying they lost phones, purses, during the riot, wondering if they could claim their stuff.
Cops took their name, address, social, promised to tie up loose ends.

What kinds of things did they leave behind and ask about?
• Ankle monitor
• Lost turds on the walls
• Pipe bombs
• Confederate flag
• Bull horns
• Eye patch

#### lpetrich

##### Contributor
I'm baffled at how anyone can be so horribly paranoid about Joe Biden. But then again, the right-wingers hated Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.

'Hanging his own clients': George Conway buries Oath Keepers' attorney over train wreck CNN interview - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism
"We should note Stewart Rhodes entered a not guilty plea in court," said anchor Jake Tapper. "I want to play part of the defense from Rhodes that came from his attorney who spoke to CNN today. Take a listen."

He then played a clip of attorney Jon Moseley telling CNN earlier on Friday that his clients had a "somewhat fanciful idea they thought the president was going to call them up under the Insurrection Act, which I don't understand but they were fixated on — the idea that Trump was going to activate them as a militia under the Insurrection Act."
What a fantasy.