California May Have a Random Celebrity Republican as Governor Soon

[ZiprHead]

Seen elsewhere...

BREAKING: Massive flooding in California expected from Hurricane Magatears.

 

[Politesse]

If providing of uncontested evidence isn't proof, what is?

Given your education, I'm surprised you would ask a question like that.

If you need education about social media bubbles, or the difference between evidence and proof, ask around. I'm not going to try and do that in an internet post.
Tom

If you're asking me as a scientist, I would say that "proof" does not exist except as a social ideal. In rhetoric though, there is no higher standard imaginable than "meaningful evidence is presented, and is not contradicted by any evidence of an alternative or critique of the evidence itself." How more well-established can a claim really be, in the context of a forum conversation?

 

[Politesse]

Seen elsewhere...

BREAKING: Massive flooding in California expected from Hurricane Magatears.

They would have to accept the reality of the situation in order to feel motivated to cry about it. If 600,000 dead Americans are not sufficient to cause them feelings of grief, a lost election they believe by default to be stolen will not cause them so much as a moment of melancholy before they move on to their customary mode of rage.

 

[funinspace]

If providing of uncontested evidence isn't proof, what is?

Given your education, I'm surprised you would ask a question like that.

If you need education about social media bubbles, or the difference between evidence and proof, ask around. I'm not going to try and do that in an internet post.
Tom

If you're asking me as a scientist, I would say that "proof" does not exist except as a social ideal. In rhetoric though, there is no higher standard imaginable than "meaningful evidence is presented, and is not contradicted by any evidence of an alternative or critique of the evidence itself." How more well-established can a claim really be, in the context of a forum conversation?

Well, it can be countered by large fonts and colorful boldings...that usually settles an issue...

Oh and a cheesy pic is the killer.

 

[Jarhyn]

If you're asking me as a scientist, I would say that "proof" does not exist except as a social ideal. In rhetoric though, there is no higher standard imaginable than "meaningful evidence is presented, and is not contradicted by any evidence of an alternative or critique of the evidence itself." How more well-established can a claim really be, in the context of a forum conversation?

Well, it can be countered by large fonts and colorful boldings...that usually settles an issue...

Oh and a cheesy pic is the killer.

You are all ignoring the most powerful form of proof as believed by the people you are arguing with: repeating loudly and insistantly that what you say is true.

 

[lpetrich]

Seen elsewhere...

BREAKING: Massive flooding in California expected from Hurricane Magatears.

Cute thought, even if right-wingers' preferred response to setbacks is rage rather than sadness.

The latest numbers from the NYT: No 63.9%, Yes 36.1%, with 76% counted.

Remaining ballots:
For a recall: No 4.0%, Yes 96.0%
To get No 58%, Yes 42%: No 26.1%, Yes 73.9%.

So far, the numbers are holding steady, and it would be very unusual if the remaining ballots favored recall in such numbers.

Newsom’s Anti-Trump Recall Strategy Offers a Warning for 2022 Midterms - The New York Times - "California Democrats were able to nationalize the vote — thanks to an avalanche of money, party discipline and, above all, an easily demonized opponent."

Conservatives claim that they believe in personal responsibility, and that one's misfortunes are due to one's bad decisions, though they are unwilling to believe that about this defeat.

The first-term Democratic governor will remain in office because, in a deeply liberal state, he effectively nationalized the recall effort as a Republican plot, making a flame-throwing radio host the Trump-like face of the opposition to polarize the electorate along red and blue lines.

Mr. Newsom found success not because of what makes California different but because of how it’s like everywhere else: He dominated in California’s heavily populated Democratic cities, the key to victory in a state where his party outnumbers Republicans by five million voters.

 

[lpetrich]

The numbers: No 63.8%, Yes 36.2%, with 77% counted.
Remaining ballots:
For a recall: No 2.4%, Yes 97.6%
To get No 58%, Yes 42%: No 24.1%, Yes 75.9%.

The party’s pre-existing blue- and purple-state strategy of portraying Republicans as Trump-loving extremists can still prove effective with the former president out of office, at least when the strategy is executed with unrelenting discipline, an avalanche of money and an opponent who plays to type.

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“Larry Elder saved their lives on this,” Rob Stutzman, a Republican strategist in Sacramento, said of Democrats. “Until this race had a general election context, there was not a lot of enthusiasm for life in California. But when you have the near-perfect caricature of a MAGA candidate, well, you can turn your voters out.”

Caricature? That was the way he acted.

Former Gov. Gray Davis, the Democrat who was recalled in 2003, put it more pithily: “He was a gift from God,” he said of Mr. Elder. “He conducted his entire campaign as if the electorate was conservative Republicans.”

That's what comes from thinking of oneself as a Real American, it seems.

Earlier this summer, it appeared that, once again, California could augur national trends. Burdened by rising crime, homelessness and Covid fatigue, Mr. Newsom was seen in polls as in danger of being recalled.

His challenge, however, was not a tidal wave of opposition, but Democratic apathy.

That began to change when Mr. Newsom outspent his Republican opponents and supporters of the recall four-to-one on television over the summer. Voter sentiment turned even more sharply away from replacing him once Mr. Elder emerged, transforming the contest from a referendum on Mr. Newsom into a more traditional Republican-versus-Democrat election.

It was a horrible dilemma for the Republican Party: either get the base to turn out and turn off everybody else, or else try to get everybody else to turn out and turn off the base.

 

[lpetrich]

GN mainly ran against LE.

Rather than defending his record, Mr. Newsom turned his stump speech into a chapter-and-verse recitation of Mr. Elder’s comments disparaging women, minimizing climate change and questioning the need for a minimum wage.

He also invoked the specter of red states and their leaders, scorning Republicans’ handling of Covid, voting restrictions and, in the final days of the campaign, Texas’s restrictive new abortion law.

While House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, the most prominent California Republican, kept his distance from the recall, Mr. Newsom was regularly joined by Democratic members of Congress, who linked the recall to Mr. Trump’s refusal to concede defeat and to the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol.

“A different type of insurrection in California,” as Representative Karen Bass put it at a rally in Los Angeles.

LE left more moderate Republicans far behind, getting 47.2% of the replacement vote, while San Diego Mayor Kevin Faulconer got only 8.6%, placing behind Kevin Paffrath, a Democrat (9.8%).

"He vowed to end vaccine mandates for state employees, which cheered conservative crowds but alienated the pro-vaccine majority."

GN polled 69% - 28% among those who were vaccinated, almost 70% of the state's population.

"The possibility that Elder-style figures could win primaries in more competitive states alarms many establishment-aligned Republicans as they assess the 2022 landscape."

That's their mess, and they are the ones who should have to clean it up.

 

[Shadowy Man]

It was a horrible dilemma for the Republican Party: either get the base to turn out and turn off everybody else, or else try to get everybody else to turn out and turn off the base.

It seems this could be a problem for them in many areas, except perhaps the most red ones.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

It seems California isn't ready for a black governor.

 

[lpetrich]

The numbers: No 63.7%, Yes 36.3%, with 78% counted.
Remaining ballots:
For a recall: No 0.9%, Yes 99.1%
To get No 58%, Yes 42%: No 22.9%, Yes 77.1%.

It's doubtful that the remaining ballots are all from the Larry Elder Fan Club.

It seems California isn't ready for a black governor.

A black man who enjoys telling white right-wingers what they want to hear?

 

[TomC]

It seems California isn't ready for a black governor.

If you think that's why Elder got his Republican butt kicked, I've got a bridge to sell ya...
Tom

 

[Politesse]

It seems California isn't ready for a black governor.

That is the only thing about Elder that would have made his win in any way palatable, speaking for myself at least.

But breaking down a single racial barrier is not worth the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, disproportionately citizens of color.

 

[Derec]

It's been proven here many times that the large majority of homeless are not boozies and druggies.

[citation needed]

 

[Derec]

Besides, BLM injures that many cops every day, right Derec?

No, not every day, but then again, nobody claimed that.
Again, nobody here is dismissing the 1/6 riots or thinks those responsible should not be prosecuted. But there is no need to blather about in incessantly or to dismiss the far more destructive left wing violence.

They also try to put a violent stop to Constitutional proceedings so they can install some loser as President.

Again, nobody is defending them. But bringing up 1/6 was a non-sequitur to my point that Melina Abdullah is a supporter of left-wing BLA terrorists who murdered police officers.

Keep carrying that orange torch, Derec. No point in pretending you're not a right wing extremist any longer.

I am not. But not everything is about 1/6.

Advocating for prostitution doesn't make you a lib'rul.

It is certainly a more liberal position than the Prohibitionism pushed by many so-called "liberals".

 

[Derec]

When conservative white people kill cops, you have to look very carefully for context and mitigating factors, excluding every possibility that might lessen the weight of their crime before daring to judge them.

Somebody committing suicide is very different than being ambushed and shot to death or shot to death during an armed robbery as those people Abdullah wants freed.
It has nothing to do with race or politics. If somebody actually kills a cop, they belong in prison for the rest of their lives, regardless of race or politics.

 

[Derec]

Repugs only cut taxes to their super-PAC corporate supporters.

That is simply not true. The 2017 tax cuts reduced the tax rates on all brackets but the very first one and increased the standard deduction.

Note that almost half of the Dems' $3.5T Spendapalooza is the expanded child tax credit that greatly reduces the tax burden of those with children - often into the negative territory - and that much of the rest are other programs for children (free child care, extended parental leave, free pre-K etc.) which means that greater share of the tax burden will fall on childfree people like me, if not directly through taxs then indirectly through inflation.

My taxes are higher after fuck-face removed all the breaks I used to get and gave them to large corporations.

What are the specific tax breaks that you used to have?

Dems are marketing morons, and "defund the police" actually has no meaning whatsoever, despite having handed repugs a buzz line on a silver platter. Dems talk about how police are trained and want to make them better at dealing with the mentally ill.. repugs just use buzzlines to push "vote NOT THEM or else hell on Earth!!!".

Some Dems, esp. those in the Squad, actually want to abolish police departments or at least substantially reduce their funding.

Dems pander to Islam to help influence women's rights, and support the first amendment.

BS.

 

[Derec]

Around where I live, people skip the middle part and just give homeless people pot instead of money. Seriously.

I guess that's fun for them and all, but it does not change their situation one bit. Which was my point about giving homeless a grand each instead of trying to recall Governor Goodhair.

 

[Derec]

I don't see this as a big deal myself, nor do I when some conservative Christian right wing firebrand is invited to an MTGreene rally. The purpose of rallies is attract attention and get people fired up. Political extremists serve that purpose. Regardless of party affiliation, having a speaker isn't the same as a blanket endorsement.
Tom

But right wing politicians like MTG get a lot of flack for their associations. Why shouldn't left wing ones face similar scrutiny?

 

[Politesse]

When conservative white people kill cops, you have to look very carefully for context and mitigating factors, excluding every possibility that might lessen the weight of their crime before daring to judge them.

Somebody committing suicide is very different than being ambushed and shot to death or shot to death during an armed robbery as those people Abdullah wants freed.
It has nothing to do with race or politics. If somebody actually kills a cop, they belong in prison for the rest of their lives, regardless of race or politics.

But organizing a violent raid on a building which police are duty-bound to defend with their lives is patriotism? The Republican Party should be broken, and its "politics" consigned to the dustbin of history along with slavery, monarchy, and private duels.