Discussion of Ashli Babbit death on J6 (split)

[Toni]

Thank you, Captain Obvious!
He could have had his day in court had he not ran like an idiot.

Tell that to George Floyd.

Or Ashli Babbitt.

Ashli Babbitt wasn't running away. She was actively engaged in an armed insurrection--treason, in fact.
I wonder if Mike Pence feels the same about Babbit as you do.

Or if you'd feel the same if there were an armed insurrection attempting to prevent the certification of the 2016 election results.

Well, actually I don't wonder at all.

 

[Trausti]

Or Ashli Babbitt.

Ashli Babbitt wasn't running away. She was actively engaged in an armed insurrection--treason, in fact.
I wonder if Mike Pence feels the same about Babbit as you do.

Or if you'd feel the same if there were an armed insurrection attempting to prevent the certification of the 2016 election results.

Well, actually I don't wonder at all.

There’s video of this, ya know? Showing armed police right behind her. She wasn’t a physical threat to anyone. And you should know by now that none of the J6 defendants have been charged with insurrection, or treason, because there’s no evidence of that. Yet, you’re okay killing her because you disagree with her politically.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Or Ashli Babbitt.

Ashli Babbitt wasn't running away. She was actively engaged in an armed insurrection--treason, in fact.
I wonder if Mike Pence feels the same about Babbit as you do.

Or if you'd feel the same if there were an armed insurrection attempting to prevent the certification of the 2016 election results.

Well, actually I don't wonder at all.

Can't wait for the Babbit memorials.

 

[laughing dog]

Or Ashli Babbitt.

Ashli Babbitt wasn't running away. She was actively engaged in an armed insurrection--treason, in fact.
I wonder if Mike Pence feels the same about Babbit as you do.

Or if you'd feel the same if there were an armed insurrection attempting to prevent the certification of the 2016 election results.

Well, actually I don't wonder at all.

There’s video of this, ya know? Showing armed police right behind her. She wasn’t a physical threat to anyone.

The entire mob was threat to the police in front and the members of Congress they were after. Ms. Babbitt was in the forefront of the mob that was breaking down a door. While I don't think she should have been shot at that point, she was engaged in violent illegal activity unlike the young Mr. Lopez.

And you should know by now that none of the J6 defendants have been charged with insurrection, or treason, because there’s no evidence of that.

There is evidence of it. But hey, if you are privy to the deliberations of the different prosecutors, present a link so the rest of us can see it.

Yet, you’re okay killing her because you disagree with her politically.

First, Toni did not say that. Pointing out her situation is vastly different is making a realistic observation. It is an attempt to tether the discussion to reality not some TDS-induced hallunication.Second Projection is a form of narcissism, not analysis.

 

[Toni]

Or Ashli Babbitt.

Ashli Babbitt wasn't running away. She was actively engaged in an armed insurrection--treason, in fact.
I wonder if Mike Pence feels the same about Babbit as you do.

Or if you'd feel the same if there were an armed insurrection attempting to prevent the certification of the 2016 election results.

Well, actually I don't wonder at all.

There’s video of this, ya know? Showing armed police right behind her. She wasn’t a physical threat to anyone. And you should know by now that none of the J6 defendants have been charged with insurrection, or treason, because there’s no evidence of that. Yet, you’re okay killing her because you disagree with her politically.

I'm actually not in favor of killing anyone if it can be avoided.

The reason that no sedition or treason charges have been brought is because it is believed to be more expedient to bring other, much more common charges with comparable sentences. I don't agree. I think they should be called out for what they were: insurrectionists and traitors.

FWIW, political affiliation has not a damn thing to do with what I just wrote. I would have said the same if insurrectionists had tried to stop the inauguration of Trump, who has shown himself to be a traitor since he took office and since he left office.

 

[lpetrich]

The reason that no sedition or treason charges have been brought is because it is believed to be more expedient to bring other, much more common charges with comparable sentences.

Charges easier to prove, I'm sure. Like tax evasion for organized-crime bosses. Al Capone is only the best-known example.

Why Organized Crime Bosses Get Arrested for Tax Evasion - FindLaw
During Prohibition, Mob Bosses Tripped Up By Tax Laws – Prohibition: An Interactive History

 

[Derec]

She wasn’t a physical threat to anyone.

They don't care. She was on the opposing political team, plus had the wrong skin color, so her death is fine no matter what she did or did not do.
But a guy (Rayshard Brooks) with a violent felony record who assaults police officers, steals a taser and shoots it at police, his death is considered "murder" because he has the politically correct skin color.

 

[Derec]

Can't wait for the Babbit memorials.

Well, there already are several George Floyd statues. Even though he was a piece of shit who robbed a pregnant woman at gunpoint. This country has gone completely crazy!

 

[Derec]

The entire mob was threat to the police in front and the members of Congress they were after. Ms. Babbitt was in the forefront of the mob that was breaking down a door. While I don't think she should have been shot at that point, she was engaged in violent illegal activity unlike the young Mr. Lopez.

So you think trespassing is "violent illegal activity" but a gang killing is not?

 

[Gun Nut]

Or Ashli Babbitt.

Ashli Babbitt wasn't running away. She was actively engaged in an armed insurrection--treason, in fact.
I wonder if Mike Pence feels the same about Babbit as you do.

Or if you'd feel the same if there were an armed insurrection attempting to prevent the certification of the 2016 election results.

Well, actually I don't wonder at all.

There’s video of this, ya know? Showing armed police right behind her. She wasn’t a physical threat to anyone. And you should know by now that none of the J6 defendants have been charged with insurrection, or treason, because there’s no evidence of that. Yet, you’re okay killing her because you disagree with her politically.

The armed guards that day should have shot every single attacker that stepped one foot in the door the very first moment. That would have immediately dispersed the attacking army, led from the rear by the orange fuck face, and ended the entire incident within 5 minutes.
In particular... the one that got inside carrying the fucking loosing army's (confederate) flag, should have been captured and publicly hung like it was 1799.
The statement from the secret service / local security / cap police should have been quick and succinct, "We respect the rights of all Americans to express their free speech, but the moment they attacked the building they became insurrectionist traitors, and as such were dispatched in defense of the public servants to the United States of America, following military laws of engagement with an undeclared enemy." Or something like that...

 

[laughing dog]

The entire mob was threat to the police in front and the members of Congress they were after. Ms. Babbitt was in the forefront of the mob that was breaking down a door. While I don't think she should have been shot at that point, she was engaged in violent illegal activity unlike the young Mr. Lopez.

So you think trespassing is "violent illegal activity" but a gang killing is not?

The enraged and armed mob was actively attempting to gain entry into the Capitol while shouting death threats, so describing that as "trespassing" is disingenuous. Mr. Lopez had not killed anyone and was running from the police.

Why rational person would think the two are even roughly equivalent is a mystery.

 

[Keith&Co.]

There’s video of this, ya know? Showing armed police right behind her.

No, the armed police abandoned that position earlier in the video. Leaving the mob to smash the windows and crawl through the wreckage.

She wasn’t a physical threat to anyone.

She was the lead in a mob that was smashing shit. The mob might have overpowered the cop and taken his weapon. She was a much more credible threat than anyone shot while 'running away' from cops.

And you should know by now that none of the J6 defendants have been charged with insurrection, or treason, because there’s no evidence of that. Yet, you’re okay killing her because you disagree with her politically.

I'm "okay" with killing her because she violated the oath Ashli and I both took to support and defend the constitution.
Because she met the conditions of deadly force and the 'lesser means' options had failed or were not likely to be successful.
I disagree with LOTS of people's politics and do not support the cops just shooting them. Shooting them in the process of committing felonies is an actual action they take, not displaying their politics (except for certain individuals, like the Proud Boys, for whom felonies, such as to incite a race war, ARE their politics).

 

[Trausti]

No, the armed police abandoned that position earlier in the video. Leaving the mob to smash the windows and crawl through the wreckage.

She wasn’t a physical threat to anyone.

She was the lead in a mob that was smashing shit. The mob might have overpowered the cop and taken his weapon. She was a much more credible threat than anyone shot while 'running away' from cops.

And you should know by now that none of the J6 defendants have been charged with insurrection, or treason, because there’s no evidence of that. Yet, you’re okay killing her because you disagree with her politically.

I'm "okay" with killing her because she violated the oath Ashli and I both took to support and defend the constitution.
Because she met the conditions of deadly force and the 'lesser means' options had failed or were not likely to be successful.
I disagree with LOTS of people's politics and do not support the cops just shooting them. Shooting them in the process of committing felonies is an actual action they take, not displaying their politics (except for certain individuals, like the Proud Boys, for whom felonies, such as to incite a race war, ARE their politics).

You really haven’t seen the video, have you? But to be clear, you’re okay with police killing an unarmed person engaged in property destruction but who is not physically threatening anyone?

 

[WAB]

No, the armed police abandoned that position earlier in the video. Leaving the mob to smash the windows and crawl through the wreckage. She was the lead in a mob that was smashing shit. The mob might have overpowered the cop and taken his weapon. She was a much more credible threat than anyone shot while 'running away' from cops.

And you should know by now that none of the J6 defendants have been charged with insurrection, or treason, because there’s no evidence of that. Yet, you’re okay killing her because you disagree with her politically.

I'm "okay" with killing her because she violated the oath Ashli and I both took to support and defend the constitution.
Because she met the conditions of deadly force and the 'lesser means' options had failed or were not likely to be successful.
I disagree with LOTS of people's politics and do not support the cops just shooting them. Shooting them in the process of committing felonies is an actual action they take, not displaying their politics (except for certain individuals, like the Proud Boys, for whom felonies, such as to incite a race war, ARE their politics).

You really haven’t seen the video, have you? But to be clear, you’re okay with police killing an unarmed person engaged in property destruction but who is not physically threatening anyone?

Good luck getting an honest answer...

 

[JohnG]

No, the armed police abandoned that position earlier in the video. Leaving the mob to smash the windows and crawl through the wreckage. She was the lead in a mob that was smashing shit. The mob might have overpowered the cop and taken his weapon. She was a much more credible threat than anyone shot while 'running away' from cops. I'm "okay" with killing her because she violated the oath Ashli and I both took to support and defend the constitution.
Because she met the conditions of deadly force and the 'lesser means' options had failed or were not likely to be successful.
I disagree with LOTS of people's politics and do not support the cops just shooting them. Shooting them in the process of committing felonies is an actual action they take, not displaying their politics (except for certain individuals, like the Proud Boys, for whom felonies, such as to incite a race war, ARE their politics).

You really haven’t seen the video, have you? But to be clear, you’re okay with police killing an unarmed person engaged in property destruction but who is not physically threatening anyone?

Good luck getting an honest answer...

You guys are kidding right? Did you miss the angry mob with the gallows set up shouting hang Mike Pence?

Your news bubble told you they were tourists.

 

[ZiprHead]

No, the armed police abandoned that position earlier in the video. Leaving the mob to smash the windows and crawl through the wreckage. She was the lead in a mob that was smashing shit. The mob might have overpowered the cop and taken his weapon. She was a much more credible threat than anyone shot while 'running away' from cops.

And you should know by now that none of the J6 defendants have been charged with insurrection, or treason, because there’s no evidence of that. Yet, you’re okay killing her because you disagree with her politically.

I'm "okay" with killing her because she violated the oath Ashli and I both took to support and defend the constitution.
Because she met the conditions of deadly force and the 'lesser means' options had failed or were not likely to be successful.
I disagree with LOTS of people's politics and do not support the cops just shooting them. Shooting them in the process of committing felonies is an actual action they take, not displaying their politics (except for certain individuals, like the Proud Boys, for whom felonies, such as to incite a race war, ARE their politics).

You really haven’t seen the video, have you? But to be clear, you’re okay with police killing an unarmed person engaged in property destruction but who is not physically threatening anyone?

She was a military trained security guard. If anyone should know about lethal force authorized areas, she should.

Not to mention if you look at the video there were congress persons within a few short steps of her entry point.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

No, the armed police abandoned that position earlier in the video. Leaving the mob to smash the windows and crawl through the wreckage. She was the lead in a mob that was smashing shit. The mob might have overpowered the cop and taken his weapon. She was a much more credible threat than anyone shot while 'running away' from cops. I'm "okay" with killing her because she violated the oath Ashli and I both took to support and defend the constitution.
Because she met the conditions of deadly force and the 'lesser means' options had failed or were not likely to be successful.
I disagree with LOTS of people's politics and do not support the cops just shooting them. Shooting them in the process of committing felonies is an actual action they take, not displaying their politics (except for certain individuals, like the Proud Boys, for whom felonies, such as to incite a race war, ARE their politics).

You really haven’t seen the video, have you? But to be clear, you’re okay with police killing an unarmed person engaged in property destruction but who is not physically threatening anyone?

Good luck getting an honest answer...

Babbit Shooting, when attempting to breach.

Those protestors were attempting to enter an area that wasn't to be ceded, like other areas they already invaded.

 

[Keith&Co.]

You really haven’t seen the video, have you?

I really have. Who are these armed policemen you think were still in that hallway?
Have a screencap?

But to be clear, you’re okay with police killing an unarmed person engaged in property destruction but who is not physically threatening anyone?

No one was shot for property destruction. The cop would have shot through the glass when they were breaking the door for that.
She was shot when she was the leading rioter to make it through the window. If the mob had not been stopped, there was one cop between them and the congresspeople. The mob was a physical threat to overwhelm the cop and take his weapon. This meets the condition of deadly force as i was taught it, and as Ashli was taught.
Exactly how long should he have waited before shooting? Two more people through the door? Five? How long to stand there asking them to turn around and go back out?
Or do you think like someone else that he should have fired a warning shot...inside a marble building?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Exactly how long should he have waited before shooting? Two more people through the door? Five? How long to stand there asking them to turn around and go back out?
Or do you think like someone else that he should have fired a warning shot...inside a marble building?

Watched it again.
The cops at the door depart.
Cop inside presents his weapon. Rioters shout 'Gun!'
Babbitt climbs up into the window.
Babbitt is shot.
Near as i can tell, that's when the tactically-armed and armored cops arrive. The sudden dispersing of the crowd allows them to reach the doorway.
Not sure how this is intended to change anything....?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You really haven’t seen the video, have you? But to be clear, you’re okay with police killing an unarmed person engaged in property destruction but who is not physically threatening anyone?

She was not yet in a position to harm anyone, so nothing can be inferred from her lack of violence. The closest comparison is a home invasion. You don't need to see weapons to shoot a gang of people invading your house.