Black Jogger Gunned Down In The Street

[Jimmy Higgins]

Had race been reversed, the chasers would be called "violent thugs" and the white guy a hero for getting the gun away and shooting them.

 

[Gospel]

clearly was not trying to kill you

What made that clear? Was it the part where he was being chased by civilians he didn't know? Was it the part where one of the said civilians brandished a shotgun as he rounded one of their cars that cut him off? What part made that clear to you?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Some on jury looking to acquit? Jury ask to see video and listen to 911 call. That sounds like they are trying to justify the shooting in their minds.

The 911 call tells them what? The judge already signaled strongly they need to convict on false imprisonment, so why are they asking for the 911 call other than to see into what the shooter and dad were thinking? Then the video, they could be trying to draw a line on the shooter's self-defense.

My ignorant, baseless take, convict or hang on false imprisonment, hang on murder. Hope I'm wrong. What happened was so screwed up, Georgia changed the law!

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

How in the heck is that remotely relevant?

it illustrates that the the guy has displayed remarkable lack reasonableness, at least once.
And attacking a guy gun who clearly was not trying to kill you is a sure way to get killed.
Not reasonable thing to do.

What about that 1 unreasonable thing you did in your life? Should I put you on ignore for that?

 

[TomC]

clearly was not trying to kill you

What made that clear? Was it the part where he was being chased by civilians he didn't know? Was it the part where one of the said civilians brandished a shotgun as he rounded one of their cars that cut him off? What part made that clear to you?

Pretty much this.

I've been left with the impression that Arbery was up to no good at the time. "Jogging"? Please.

But that doesn't change the fact that his killers committed murder. They chased him, boxed him in, then shot him.

Then, to make it all worse, their friends in the "justice" business tried to cover it all up. They deserve serious prison time. But so does, maybe more so, their friend in the prosecution office. Arbery's murderers committed a violent crime in the heat of the moment. The prosecutor who waved it away, and tried to cover it up, also deserves serious prison time.

I don't hear much about her. Anybody know what's happening on that front?
Tom

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

clearly was not trying to kill you

What made that clear? Was it the part where he was being chased by civilians he didn't know? Was it the part where one of the said civilians brandished a shotgun as he rounded one of their cars that cut him off? What part made that clear to you?

Pretty much this.

I've been left with the impression that Arbery was up to no good at the time. "Jogging"? Please.

Just because he isn't jogging doesn't mean he wasn't out walking. He went on a construction site. OMFG! Who hasn't?! There is no evidence he ever stole a thing in the neighborhood that I'm aware of. And there appears to be no evidence anything was ever stolen on that site in particular.

But that doesn't change the fact that his killers committed murder. They chased him, boxed him in, then shot him.

Then, to make it all worse, their friends in the "justice" business tried to cover it all up. They deserve serious prison time. But so does, maybe more so, their friend in the prosecution office. Arbery's murderers committed a violent crime in the heat of the moment. The prosecutor who waved it away, and tried to cover it up, also deserves serious prison time.

I don't hear much about her. Anybody know what's happening on that front?
Tom

That could depend on the jury's findings in this case. I'm not hopeful.

People that have guns get a lot of leeway in these cases.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

How in the heck is that remotely relevant?

it illustrates that the the guy has displayed remarkable lack reasonableness, at least once.
And attacking a guy gun who clearly was not trying to kill you is a sure way to get killed.
Not reasonable thing to do.

What about that 1 unreasonable thing you did in your life? Should I put you on ignore for that?

He made the decision to pull Tretiak from net in the USSR v USA game in 1980.

 

[Trausti]

I've been left with the impression that Arbery was up to no good at the time. "Jogging"? Please.

But that doesn't change the fact that his killers committed murder. They chased him, boxed him in, then shot him.

One can think that Arbery was up to no good and also that these guys were criminally stupid.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Why on earth does it matter if he was wearing socks?

The lack of socks strongly suggests he was not jogging. Jogging is going to cause rubbing of your feet against your footgear--a lack of socks makes blisters far more likely.

Head down to your local REI and check out the sock department. Not only do you find durable socks, but you also find thin, slippery liner socks. That's because when we really want blister protection we wear two pairs.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The jury can find however they want. The law says that the pa and son were guilty of illegally trying to arrest this guy. They had no right to do so. They witnessed no crime. While committing their crime, the guy is shot. Saying it is self defense really requires ending these ridiculous SYG laws, as it effectively says people without guns have no right to self-defense. And if they killed him in "self-defense", they might be lenient on the illegal arrest issue.

They are no less guilty than illegally detaining this man. And in committing that crime, they killed the person they were illegally detaining. But they are white... he is black.

And that is why we have that whole #BLM thing.

This has nothing to do with SYG.

 

[southernhybrid]

The verdicts just came in. Son guilty on all charges. Father and Neighbor guilty on most charges, including most of the murder charges. Justice at last. I'm proud to be living in Georgia today.

 

[Toni]

Why on earth does it matter if he was wearing socks?

The lack of socks strongly suggests he was not jogging. Jogging is going to cause rubbing of your feet against your footgear--a lack of socks makes blisters far more likely.

Head down to your local REI and check out the sock department. Not only do you find durable socks, but you also find thin, slippery liner socks. That's because when we really want blister protection we wear two pairs.

Yes, yes, yes: I know that most runners wear socks. But to tell the truth, I see a lot of people running who are not wearing socks that are apparent. I'm talking apparent serious runners, as in groups of people running.

And besides: So what if he was jogging or not jogging? Or wearing khaki shorts? I mean, how nefarious! Khaki shorts! No socks!

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Jogging is a red herring. I think it is very likely that was introduced to gain popular opinion to force his murder into the courts, as the good ole boys had his buddies cover it up.

The jogging doesn’t matter. He committed at worst a “crime” of trespassing and was hunted down like an animal by armed wannabe vigilantes, and when they brandished a gun, he acted in self defense because he thought they aimed to kill him, which ummm probably because they were shouting and threatening him.

There is no fence to sit on here, jogging or not jogging. They committed a crime of imprisoning him and killing him.

Exactly. Perhaps he was just having a look around (my job used to occasionally take me onto construction sites. I would often look around just out of curiosity), perhaps he was looking for stuff to steal. That doesn't change what happened afterwards--their behavior looked like a lynching, he tried to escape. Thus they provoked it, no self defense.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

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The Pros and Cons of Criminalling Without Socks -- oops, doesn't exist.

Also, none of this is relevant.

 

[Gospel]

The verdicts just came in. Son guilty on all charges. Father and Neighbor guilty on most charges, including most of the murder charges. Justice at last. I'm proud to be living in Georgia today.

Congrats America, you got what we ordered right! You Just need to work on the other hundreds of thousands you get wrong every day and you might surpass Mcdonald's.

Disclaimer: I am proud to be a Jamerican.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The verdicts just came in. Son guilty on all charges. Father and Neighbor guilty on most charges, including most of the murder charges. Justice at last. I'm proud to be living in Georgia today.

Well, that is a swing a miss for me... and I'm happy to be wrong. This is justice and hopefully stops some people from playing vigilante.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why on earth does it matter if he was wearing socks?

The lack of socks strongly suggests he was not jogging. Jogging is going to cause rubbing of your feet against your footgear--a lack of socks makes blisters far more likely.

Head down to your local REI and check out the sock department. Not only do you find durable socks, but you also find thin, slippery liner socks. That's because when we really want blister protection we wear two pairs.

Yes, yes, yes: I know that most runners wear socks. But to tell the truth, I see a lot of people running who are not wearing socks that are apparent. I'm talking apparent serious runners, as in groups of people running.

And besides: So what if he was jogging or not jogging? Or wearing khaki shorts? I mean, how nefarious! Khaki shorts! No socks!

There are socks that are very low profile. Light, breathable, and very on-topic! This matters! Almost as much as the convictions. Blisters on my two runs without socks. That is anecdotal and something you can take to the bank.

 

[ZiprHead]

I've been left with the impression that Arbery was up to no good at the time. "Jogging"? Please.

But that doesn't change the fact that his killers committed murder. They chased him, boxed him in, then shot him.

One can think that Arbery was up to no good and also that these guys were criminally stupid.

What makes anyone think Arbery was up to no good? Because he was black and not wearing socks???

The defense tried to portray Arbery as a savage. To me, the savages were the ones that chased him down in pickup trucks with guns and pumped three shotgun shells into Arbery's chest.

 

[Artemus]

I've been left with the impression that Arbery was up to no good at the time. "Jogging"? Please.

But that doesn't change the fact that his killers committed murder. They chased him, boxed him in, then shot him.

One can think that Arbery was up to no good and also that these guys were criminally stupid.

What makes anyone think Arbery was up to no good? Because he was black and not wearing socks???

The defense tried to portray Arbery as a savage. To me, the savages were the ones that chased him down in pickup trucks with guns and pumped three shotgun shells into Arbery's chest.

He was trespassing at a construction site. That clearly warrants deadly force. /s

 

[Gospel]

I'd think anyone is up to no good if they enter a property under construction on my street and I've never seen them before. But I damn sure wouldn't chase them down in my car then hop out and shoot them. There is a difference between thinking someone is up to no good and taking action on those thoughts. Guess nobody ever taught daddy & son the distinction.