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Parents Of School Shooter Charged

Politesse said:
barbos said:
Politesse said:
blastula said:
Someone reportedly helped them hide and could face charges.

School officials maybe deserve charges too, and at least a lawsuit.
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I've heard this said, but based on the account available to us through the news, I'm not really sure what more they could have done. They didn't know the kid actually had a gun on him, like the parents did. They knew about the behavior problems, and were trying to initiate a plan of of intervention, which is what you're supposed to do. It's harder to accomplish anything if the parents aren't on board though.
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Well, school officials could have detected hints of bat-shit craziness in parents and then assumed the worst - that they had just bought a gun and handed it to their son.
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Well, no, they can't. Practically and legally, you can't assume and act on the worst. And there's not a lot to be done anyway. What are they going to do, suspend the kid? For how long will that solve the problem of a child who has decided on mass murder as the thing to do? What he needed was therapeutic treatment, and you have to have the parents' consent for that, or legal circumvention thereof, which takes time.
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I think police should have been immediately involved with full line of questioning and backpack inspecting. And before even calling parents.
15 year olds walking with handguns is insane.
 
barbos said:
I think police should have been immediately involved with full line of questioning and backpack inspecting. And before even calling parents.
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The clarity of hindsight is great, isn't it?
Tom
 
TomC said:
barbos said:
I think police should have been immediately involved with full line of questioning and backpack inspecting. And before even calling parents.
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The clarity of hindsight is great, isn't it?
Tom
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My impression of american schools is that they are zero-tolerance on everything and here we have complete break-down of that. Remember Ahmed the clock boy?
He was arrested, and this guy should have been too.
 
barbos said:
My impression of american schools is that they are zero-tolerance on everything and here we have complete break-down of that. Remember Ahmed the clock boy?
He was arrested, and this guy should have been too.
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You frequently believe that you understand the USA and our culture.
But you don't.

Maybe things are different in Russia. But around here, if school administrators made a habit of calling the cops before the parents there would be a lot more school shootings.
Tom
 
Harry Bosch said:
Well, I don't know if we can assume that all troubled kids might have a gun in their backpack. But it's incredibly wreckless for the parents to not check for the gun
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They knew he was searching for ammo. It doesn't take psychic powers to think he might have a gun. If the school shouldn't take some blame then neither should the parents.
 
TomC said:
barbos said:
My impression of american schools is that they are zero-tolerance on everything and here we have complete break-down of that. Remember Ahmed the clock boy?
He was arrested, and this guy should have been too.
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You frequently believe that you understand the USA and our culture.
But you don't.

Maybe things are different in Russia. But around here, if school administrators made a habit of calling the cops before the parents there would be a lot more school shootings.
Tom
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Your condescending tone and constant/irrelevant referring to how things are different in Russia is becoming annoying. I know more about US than all of you about Russia combined. It does not prevent you from criticizing Russia at every opportunity.
 
blastula said:
They knew he was searching for ammo. It doesn't take psychic powers to think he might have a gun. If the school shouldn't take some blame then neither should the parents.
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Maybe we're just from different generations.

The school brought in the parents. It's the parents responsibility to deal with their kid. It's not the school administrators job to parent!
Tom
 
barbos said:
My impression of american schools is that they are zero-tolerance on everything and here we have complete break-down of that.
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Schools are too busy fussing over CRT and making sure boys have access to the girls restroom and locker room.
 
barbos said:
TomC said:
barbos said:
My impression of american schools is that they are zero-tolerance on everything and here we have complete break-down of that. Remember Ahmed the clock boy?
He was arrested, and this guy should have been too.
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You frequently believe that you understand the USA and our culture.
But you don't.

Maybe things are different in Russia. But around here, if school administrators made a habit of calling the cops before the parents there would be a lot more school shootings.
Tom
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Your condescending tone and constant/irrelevant referring to how things are different in Russia is becoming annoying. I know more about US than all of you about Russia combined. It does not prevent you from criticizing Russia at every opportunity.
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I don't claim to know much about Russia. Which is why I didn't say anything about what school administrators in Russia should do if a student acts out. I didn't criticize Russia, I criticized you.
Tom
 
TomC said:
blastula said:
They knew he was searching for ammo. It doesn't take psychic powers to think he might have a gun. If the school shouldn't take some blame then neither should the parents.
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Maybe we're just from different generations.

The school brought in the parents. It's the parents responsibility to deal with their kid. It's not the school administrators job to parent!
Tom
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No, it is not, and has not been for the last 20 years.
Yes, you must be from really different generation.
 
TomC said:
blastula said:
They knew he was searching for ammo. It doesn't take psychic powers to think he might have a gun. If the school shouldn't take some blame then neither should the parents.
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Maybe we're just from different generations.

The school brought in the parents. It's the parents responsibility to deal with their kid. It's not the school administrators job to parent!
Tom
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I think that it’s obvious that both the school and the parents really missed the ball with regards to this kid and likely others.

The parents have responsibility towards abs for their son.

The school has responsibilities towards all of its students and employees, the most basic of which is to ensure their safety. This includes the kid who killed other students.

My observation based on my local school district is that the principals seem more concerned about the threat that kids who are bullied might pose rather than the threats that the bullies pose.
 
TomC said:
blastula said:
They knew he was searching for ammo. It doesn't take psychic powers to think he might have a gun. If the school shouldn't take some blame then neither should the parents.
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Maybe we're just from different generations.

The school brought in the parents. It's the parents responsibility to deal with their kid. It's not the school administrators job to parent!
Tom
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Checking for a gun is not about parenting, it's about protecting the school.

See the Parkland shooting aftermath.

www.sun-sentinel.com

Parkland families reach $25 million settlement with school district

The families of 52 people killed, injured or traumatized during the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High have reached a $25 million settlement with the Broward School District, the lawyer…
www.sun-sentinel.com www.sun-sentinel.com

www.npr.org

Families of Parkland shooting victims settle lawsuit with DOJ for about $130 million

Families of more than a dozen victims of the 2018 school shooting have reached a settlement with the Justice Department to resolve their lawsuit over the FBI's failure to act on tips about the gunman.
www.npr.org www.npr.org
 
Toni said:
My observation based on my local school district is that the principals seem more concerned about the threat that kids who are bullied might pose rather than the threats that the bullies pose
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Makes perfect sense, shooters are never bullies. And school bullies is integral and unavoidable part of american culture, right TomC? :D
 
TSwizzle said:
barbos said:
My impression of american schools is that they are zero-tolerance on everything and here we have complete break-down of that.
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Schools are too busy fussing over CRT and making sure boys have access to the girls restroom and locker room.
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Barbos clearly understands the US better than you understand suburban Michigan.
 
Politesse said:
TSwizzle said:
barbos said:
My impression of american schools is that they are zero-tolerance on everything and here we have complete break-down of that.
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Schools are too busy fussing over CRT and making sure boys have access to the girls restroom and locker room.
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Barbos clearly understands the US better than you understand suburban Michigan.
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Former suburban Michigander checking in...

Yep. It's complicated. My old college roommate lives out in "the boonies" and a few times after reading the stories of his redneck neighbors on the social media I've asked "do you maybe want to move out here to Arizona where things aren't so crazy?"
 
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