Merry Normalization of Lies Day

[Jimmy Higgins]

Last year, on January 6th, a bunch of people gathered in Washington DC to see the sitting US President discuss the need for Vice President Pence to step in and hand Trump the election. The people that were at the event, marched toward the Capitol Building and then proceeded to invade the building while Congress was supposed to be completing the election process. During in the invasion, Trump would tweet that Pence failed him, almost seemingly giving his rioters a green light for justifying some inconceivable attack.

The sitting President's case for all of this was about "fraud". And his supporters that day, a lot of middle to upper class white men, took it to heart that Trump did have the election stolen from him. But the reality was that nothing was stolen and President Biden won a close election (state to state) and clear Electoral Vote majority. That didn't matter, because lying became normalized. So much so, the vast majority of sitting GOP members in the US House of Representatives voted against certifying some electoral votes. And this is quite awful especially when you consider the most damning truth of the 2020 Election, President Trump took virtually none of his or his attorney's (Giuliani) widespread claims of fraud to court. They held press conferences, a literally fake Legislative hearing/investigation, informercials, but almost nothing went to court. All of the affidavits tossed about in interviews or fake testimony, almost all of it disregarded by the actual lawyers that, in a few rare cases, went to court.

And for the obvious reason, it was all a lie, and it is a lot easier to lie to the public than it is to demonstrate lies, especially when they are bald faced lies, in a court room. So you had the GOP seats in the House of Representatives, voting in majority to support lies that were never tested in court. Why? Because lying has became normalized in the Trump Administration. The lies from Trump became enough to simply use that to support the GOP's outrageous anti-democracy actions in the House, and in a more limited sense, in the Senate.

And the former President continues to lie, Republicans are growing increasingly in support of the people that invaded the US Capitol Building, chanting to death to their sitting VIce President... and forcing Congress to evacuate, and that it is actually the Democrats who are causing the problems here. The right-wing lying has become so normalized we are stepping beyond George Orwell novels.

 

[SLD]

"You can't love your country only when you win." President Biden, 01/06/2022. Good point, Joe. Biden’s message today was the strongest condemnation of Trump he has ever made. Already the right wing are up in arms about this. DeSantis said Biden insulted those who went into the building that day. Well uh, OK. Let me add to that insult: FUCK ALL OF YOU LOW LIFE MOTHER FUCKERS!

I guess that’s why I’m not President. I’m not polite enough.

 

[Jarhyn]

"You can't love your country only when you win." President Biden, 01/06/2022. Good point, Joe. Biden’s message today was the strongest condemnation of Trump he has ever made. Already the right wing are up in arms about this. DeSantis said Biden insulted those who went into the building that day. Well uh, OK. Let me add to that insult: FUCK ALL OF YOU LOW LIFE MOTHER FUCKERS!

I guess that’s why I’m not President. I’m not polite enough.

Not polite enough?

I mean, whatever happened to the "fuck your feelings" crowd? Oh yeah, they are the ones up in arms about being insulted...

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

"You can't love your country only when you win." President Biden, 01/06/2022. Good point, Joe. Biden’s message today was the strongest condemnation of Trump he has ever made. Already the right wing are up in arms about this. DeSantis said Biden insulted those who went into the building that day. Well uh, OK. Let me add to that insult: FUCK ALL OF YOU LOW LIFE MOTHER FUCKERS!

I guess that’s why I’m not President. I’m not polite enough.

Jebus! DeSantis is a damn goon. And it is just again, the right-wing going radical. These people were speaking out against this in January 2021.

It was totally unacceptable and those folks need to be held accountable.

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And it doesn’t matter what banner you’re flying under, the violence is wrong, the rioting and the disorder is wrong. We’re not going to tolerate it in Florida.

Jan. 6 allows them (the medi) to create narratives that are negative about people that supported Donald Trump.

The lies have become truth.

 

[Politesse]

DeSantis said Biden insulted those who went into the building that day. Well uh, OK. Let me add to that insult: FUCK ALL OF YOU LOW LIFE MOTHER FUCKERS!

He was referring to the emergency crews on 9/11 though.

“When they try to act like this is something akin to the Sept. 11th attacks, that is an insult to the people who were going into those buildings,” DeSantis said Thursday at a news conference in West Palm Beach. “And it’s an insult to people when you say it’s an ‘insurrection’ and then a year later, nobody has been charged with that.”

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article257099297.html#storylink=cpy

Definitely a smarmy comment, but the people he's referring to aren't responsible for this current mess. And I definitely agree that those responsible for this insurrection should be charged with actual crimes, not just tutted at on the television.

 

[Gospel]

DeSantis should be alarmed if not embarrassed by the amount of Floridians willing to forcefully disrupt official proceedings. A lot more of them reside in our state than he thinks. So I hope he's ok with never toting any other line than theirs for as long as he is in office. I hope he's also ok with the possibility that a Trump-endorsed candidate may use inflammatory language encouraging our Floridian nutjobs to insurrection his candy ass.

Edit: If he runs against the said candidate.

 

[Trausti]

 

[Lumpenproletariat]

Nancy Pelosi is accused of having rejected National Guard protection for the Capitol in the days preceding Jan. 6, when there was anticipation of mob violence likely to happen. Meaning she is partly to blame for what happened, because the lack of adequate security is largely the cause of what happened.

So, why is this not part of the congressional investigation of the event? Why are these charges not presented, by witnesses, and why is Pelosi not summoned to be a witness and answer these charges?

Why does the investigation by Congress have to be limited only to charges against Trump and his cohorts? Why does the investigation have to be limited so as to be used only as a partisan attack against Trump and Republicans?

Why can't there be a neutral non-partisan investigation which would expose ALL those who are to blame for what happened?

 

[Harry Bosch]

Nancy Pelosi is accused of having rejected National Guard protection for the Capitol in the days preceding Jan. 6, when there was anticipation of mob violence likely to happen. Meaning she is partly to blame for what happened, because the lack of adequate security is largely the cause of what happened.

So, why is this not part of the congressional investigation of the event? Why are these charges not presented, by witnesses, and why is Pelosi not summoned to be a witness and answer these charges?

Why does the investigation by Congress have to be limited only to charges against Trump and his cohorts? Why does the investigation have to be limited so as to be used only as a partisan attack against Trump and Republicans?

Why can't there be a neutral non-partisan investigation which would expose ALL those who are to blame for what happened?

Well, a 2 minute google search demonstrates that this claim is false:

Republicans are blaming Nancy Pelosi for the Jan. 6 attack. Their claims don’t add up. (Published 2021)

Their claims amounted to an audacious attempt to rewrite the worst attack on the Capitol in two centuries.

www.nytimes.com

Why should congress investigate obviously false claims?

 

[Gospel]

Where is this sentiment for Antifa? Not everyone protesting stole & damaged property or blocked roads. Just like not everyone that entered the capitol on Jan 6th attacked police officers, looted & damaged property.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Indeed, it was a tale of mob violences. The people at the closed door trying to barge their way into a restricted area, and one of them were shot were showing a bit less respect for the "velvet rope".

Indeed, we saw what is common with mob violence. The adrenaline wore off after a bit (and Congress had already been evacuated), and the middle/upper class white males started thinking twice. And in the end, resorting to childish trespassing, theft, and graffiti (mostly on captured by themselves on social media). But that came after the public destruction of federal property, attacks on police officers, attacks on press, and the evacuation of Congress.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why should congress investigate obviously false claims?

Well, as I noted, Trump normalized lying, and it became the truth, therefore, we need to investigate all lies now because they are assumed to be the truth.

The OP is less about the mob, and more about the basis for why that mob existed in the first place, and that hasn't changed... except Trump doesn't have access to Social Media... a decision that might have saved lives by this point.

 

[Gospel]

Indeed, it was a tale of mob violences. The people at the closed door trying to barge their way into a restricted area, and one of them were shot were showing a bit less respect for the "velvet rope".

Indeed, we saw what is common with mob violence. The adrenaline wore off after a bit (and Congress had already been evacuated), and the middle/upper class white males started thinking twice. And in the end, resorting to childish trespassing, theft, and graffiti (mostly on captured by themselves on social media). But that came after the public destruction of federal property, attacks on police officers, attacks on press, and the evacuation of Congress.

The oddest thing about people downplaying Jan 6th is they seem completely ignorant of the implications of what would have happened to America if those people would have succeeded in severely injuring a significant amount of members of Congress. The constitution requires that members resign so if enough were killed or incapacitated that would render an entire branch of the US Government inoperable.

 

[Jarhyn]

Indeed, it was a tale of mob violences. The people at the closed door trying to barge their way into a restricted area, and one of them were shot were showing a bit less respect for the "velvet rope".

Indeed, we saw what is common with mob violence. The adrenaline wore off after a bit (and Congress had already been evacuated), and the middle/upper class white males started thinking twice. And in the end, resorting to childish trespassing, theft, and graffiti (mostly on captured by themselves on social media). But that came after the public destruction of federal property, attacks on police officers, attacks on press, and the evacuation of Congress.

The oddest thing about people downplaying Jan 6th is they seem completely ignorant of the implications of what would have happened to America if those people would have succeeded in severely injuring a significant amount of members of Congress. The constitution requires that members resign so if enough were killed or incapacitated that would render an entire branch of the US Government inoperable.

Which was entirely the point: render the transition of power inoperable. Then "well what are we going to do; Trump is still president, legally." Despite the fact that this would have been achieved illegally.

 

[Gospel]

Nope, the constitution says on January 20th he and pence need to GTFO regardless of anything. The presidency would go to the speaker of the house until the counts are complete. A lawyer may argue that the counts wouldn't even be required for Biden to take the presidency. It's just that one Arm of the government would be down until election time for each dead or incapacitated member of the senate.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Indeed, it was a tale of mob violences. The people at the closed door trying to barge their way into a restricted area, and one of them were shot were showing a bit less respect for the "velvet rope".

Indeed, we saw what is common with mob violence. The adrenaline wore off after a bit (and Congress had already been evacuated), and the middle/upper class white males started thinking twice. And in the end, resorting to childish trespassing, theft, and graffiti (mostly on captured by themselves on social media). But that came after the public destruction of federal property, attacks on police officers, attacks on press, and the evacuation of Congress.

The oddest thing about people downplaying Jan 6th is they seem completely ignorant of the implications of what would have happened to America if those people would have succeeded in severely injuring a significant amount of members of Congress. The constitution requires that members resign so if enough were killed or incapacitated that would render an entire branch of the US Government inoperable.

Well, the larger issue here is that leaders of the mob (Trump and others) wanted the mob to disrupt and stop the certification of the votes by the electoral college. If they had succeeded, the vote would have gone to the states. And the state legislators (vastly dominated by republicans) would have most likely voted for Trump. This would have caused absolute chaos in the country.

 

[Gospel]

Wow, I didn't know it could go back to the states. I just thought it would be tied up in the senate until they get it done. I thought it was mostly ceremonial than it was an official process. I Learn something new on this forum every day yo.

 

[Toni]

Nope, the constitution says on January 20th he and pence need to GTFO regardless of anything. The presidency would go to the speaker of the house until the counts are complete. A lawyer may argue that the counts wouldn't even be required for Biden to take the presidency. It's just that one Arm of the government would be down until election time for each dead or incapacitated member of the senate.

Which is a reason that Nancy Pelosi was specifically targeted.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Wow, I didn't know it could go back to the states. I just thought it would be tied up in the senate until they get it done. I thought it was mostly ceremonial than it was an official process. I Learn something new on this forum every day yo.

Well, I'm no expert. But it appears to me that people have always assumed that the certification was supposed to be ceremonial. But Trump and his attorney's tried to find this loophole, and send it the election to the states. Then the election would have been decided by a simple majority of legislators in each state. IOW, Trump and his minions were desperately trying to find loopholes and tricks to get him back into the presidency. This really has to be addressed. Of course, we'd be insane to ever allow Trump to win the presidency again. He can't be trusted. But I also think that congress should dramatically tighten up the election process. However, it appears that dems are demoralized for some reason, and the republicans will sweep the house and the senate in 2022 elections. And these efforts to highlight and perhaps make recommendations to fix our system will be stopped. And 2024 might end up being the most important election in a very long time.

 

[Elixir]

If 2022 goes to Republican plan, 2024 will be a charade on the level of a Russian “election”.