Does your ideology include a clause that says you should raise hell against evil religions?

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

So what? Nothing is static or absolute in human nature or the artifacts we create

Out tribal and selfish natures are absolute.

Prove me wrong.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I really think men should address their need for fighting and competition, and not insist that all of humanity make sportsball and bar fights our destiny. They need to find the rest of their humanity and soon.

We have addressed, in large part, the evil done by our competitions.

We now have social safety nets to catch the looser and mitigate the harm they will get.

At one time, if you lost a competition, for a job let's say, you could starve to death.

You do recognize that we must compete or go extinct. Right?

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I expect you are being willfully ignorant,

OK.

Go away.

Regards
DL

 

[steve_bank]

I really think men should address their need for fighting and competition, and not insist that all of humanity make sportsball and bar fights our destiny. They need to find the rest of their humanity and soon.

We have addressed, in large part, the evil done by our competitions.

We now have social safety nets to catch the looser and mitigate the harm they will get.

At one time, if you lost a competition, for a job let's say, you could starve to death.

You do recognize that we must compete or go extinct. Right?

Regards
DL

So in this competitive debate to survive I should show no restraint and squash you like a bug, right? To be honest I use restraint in line with forum rules. If we were speaking face to face it would be another matter.

Those who support forms of social Darwinism over here are called conservative Christian republicans. Winners and losers. A recurrung theme of yours is competion to survicve, if not a form of social Darwinism what is it? And how do you recocile that with he words of Jesus?

 

[Angry Floof]

I really think men should address their need for fighting and competition, and not insist that all of humanity make sportsball and bar fights our destiny. They need to find the rest of their humanity and soon.

We have addressed, in large part, the evil done by our competitions.

We now have social safety nets to catch the looser and mitigate the harm they will get.

At one time, if you lost a competition, for a job let's say, you could starve to death.

You do recognize that we must compete or go extinct. Right?

Regards
DL

No. Do you recognize that competition where all the small groups live in each other's faces through technology and media, swimming in capitalist competition of the wealthy and corporations, where the competitors have little or no concern for human rights or well being, could very well cause human extinction?

 

[steve_bank]

I expect you are being willfully ignorant,

OK.

Go away.

Regards
DL

So, you will not respond to the obvious fact religion is not an essential component of modern abuse of power and atrocities?

My first impression remaains, you are proselytizng like the Chriains who com to eh forum. Praching to convert us to your faith, or whatever it is. Like Christians you ignore and sidestep inconvienient contradtins in ideology.

Does your ideology include intellectual honesty and integrity?

Maybe I missed your response. As a follower of Jesus who quotes scripture, if you support gay marriage how do you reconcile that with Jesus declaring marriage is between one man and one woman? Do you call out those 'evil' married gays? Do you call out formcators and divorced people as 'evil'? This is about honesty.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I really think men should address their need for fighting and competition, and not insist that all of humanity make sportsball and bar fights our destiny. They need to find the rest of their humanity and soon.

We have addressed, in large part, the evil done by our competitions.

We now have social safety nets to catch the looser and mitigate the harm they will get.

At one time, if you lost a competition, for a job let's say, you could starve to death.

You do recognize that we must compete or go extinct. Right?

Regards
DL

So in this competitive debate to survive I should show no restraint and squash you like a bug, right? To be honest I use restraint in line with forum rules. If we were speaking face to face it would be another matter.

Those who support forms of social Darwinism over here are called conservative Christian republicans. Winners and losers. A recurrung theme of yours is competion to survicve, if not a form of social Darwinism what is it? And how do you recocile that with he words of Jesus?

There are only two ways to win a war. Force or trade.

If I kill, I cannot profit from the dead.

You failed to answer my question and unless you do, you will not understand me.

You do recognize that we must compete or go extinct. Right?

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I really think men should address their need for fighting and competition, and not insist that all of humanity make sportsball and bar fights our destiny. They need to find the rest of their humanity and soon.

We have addressed, in large part, the evil done by our competitions.

We now have social safety nets to catch the looser and mitigate the harm they will get.

At one time, if you lost a competition, for a job let's say, you could starve to death.

You do recognize that we must compete or go extinct. Right?

Regards
DL

No. Do you recognize that competition where all the small groups live in each other's faces through technology and media, swimming in capitalist competition of the wealthy and corporations, where the competitors have little or no concern for human rights or well being, could very well cause human extinction?

Without following the fittest, a species is bound to weaken to extinction.

Every species stresses itself and you want homo all to go against the nature that created us and sustains us.

Not a good idea to go un-natural.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I expect you are being willfully ignorant,

OK.

Go away.

Regards
DL

So, you will not respond to the obvious fact religion is not an essential component of modern abuse of power and atrocities?

My first impression remaains, you are proselytizng like the Chriains who com to eh forum. Praching to convert us to your faith, or whatever it is. Like Christians you ignore and sidestep inconvienient contradtins in ideology.

Does your ideology include intellectual honesty and integrity?

Maybe I missed your response. As a follower of Jesus who quotes scripture, if you support gay marriage how do you reconcile that with Jesus declaring marriage is between one man and one woman? Do you call out those 'evil' married gays? Do you call out formcators and divorced people as 'evil'? This is about honesty.

Follower of which Jesus?

As to your questions, Gnostic Christians are universalists and work to never discriminate against anyone without a just cause.

We think homophobes to be spiritually defective, as they put sex and gender issues, as values, above love.

From a naturalistic POV homophobes should enjoy having gays about because it enhances the reproduction selection for the homophobes.

They are going against nature and math and are too biased to see that they are shooting themselves in the reproductive foot.

Being that unawares IMPOV, is both a defect and a lack of intelligent thought.

The good Jesus put love above all.

The bad Jesus said it should be as Yahweh set it in Gen 3 and Jesus was right, but not understood properly.

Given the contradictions even in Jesus, the Golden Rules directs us to equality for all, and getting the hell out of everybody's bedrooms.

Am I clear enough and honest enough for you?

Regards
DL

 

[Angry Floof]

I really think men should address their need for fighting and competition, and not insist that all of humanity make sportsball and bar fights our destiny. They need to find the rest of their humanity and soon.

We have addressed, in large part, the evil done by our competitions.

We now have social safety nets to catch the looser and mitigate the harm they will get.

At one time, if you lost a competition, for a job let's say, you could starve to death.

You do recognize that we must compete or go extinct. Right?

Regards
DL

No. Do you recognize that competition where all the small groups live in each other's faces through technology and media, swimming in capitalist competition of the wealthy and corporations, where the competitors have little or no concern for human rights or well being, could very well cause human extinction?

Without following the fittest, a species is bound to weaken to extinction.

Every species stresses itself and you want homo all to go against the nature that created us and sustains us.

Not a good idea to go un-natural.

Regards
DL

What exactly do you consider to be "fittest"? Are you assuming physical fitness and aggression? If so, that is not fittest. Fittest is most adaptable. I believe (because there is no way to prove this) that there are more people capable of adapting to our weird and scary new world than not.

When you see changes in the world that you don't like, how do you deal with it? Openness to change and openness to compassion for all humans involved in the change? That's also a successful survival strategy, and it's one that is much needed today. Aggression is not necessary to our survival at this point, and continued aggression may well kill us all off.

 

[Angry Floof]

I really think men should address their need for fighting and competition, and not insist that all of humanity make sportsball and bar fights our destiny. They need to find the rest of their humanity and soon.

We have addressed, in large part, the evil done by our competitions.

We now have social safety nets to catch the looser and mitigate the harm they will get.

At one time, if you lost a competition, for a job let's say, you could starve to death.

You do recognize that we must compete or go extinct. Right?

Regards
DL

So in this competitive debate to survive I should show no restraint and squash you like a bug, right? To be honest I use restraint in line with forum rules. If we were speaking face to face it would be another matter.

Those who support forms of social Darwinism over here are called conservative Christian republicans. Winners and losers. A recurrung theme of yours is competion to survicve, if not a form of social Darwinism what is it? And how do you recocile that with he words of Jesus?

There are only two ways to win a war. Force or trade.

If I kill, I cannot profit from the dead.

You failed to answer my question and unless you do, you will not understand me.

You do recognize that we must compete or go extinct. Right?

Regards
DL

You keep talking about tribalism and war. We are one tribe of seven billion. There is literally no enemy to fight. We fight each other anyway, but those you fight and fear are your tribe, like it or not. Fighting at this point is as irrational as humans can be.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I really think men should address their need for fighting and competition, and not insist that all of humanity make sportsball and bar fights our destiny. They need to find the rest of their humanity and soon.

We have addressed, in large part, the evil done by our competitions.

We now have social safety nets to catch the looser and mitigate the harm they will get.

At one time, if you lost a competition, for a job let's say, you could starve to death.

You do recognize that we must compete or go extinct. Right?

Regards
DL

No. Do you recognize that competition where all the small groups live in each other's faces through technology and media, swimming in capitalist competition of the wealthy and corporations, where the competitors have little or no concern for human rights or well being, could very well cause human extinction?

Without following the fittest, a species is bound to weaken to extinction.

Every species stresses itself and you want homo all to go against the nature that created us and sustains us.

Not a good idea to go un-natural.

Regards
DL

What exactly do you consider to be "fittest"? Are you assuming physical fitness and aggression? If so, that is not fittest. Fittest is most adaptable. I believe (because there is no way to prove this) that there are more people capable of adapting to our weird and scary new world than not.

When you see changes in the world that you don't like, how do you deal with it? Openness to change and openness to compassion for all humans involved in the change? That's also a successful survival strategy, and it's one that is much needed today. Aggression is not necessary to our survival at this point, and continued aggression may well kill us all off.

I disagree with some of this, mostly because of timing and the condition of the world as I see it.

I agree with your view of the fittest and would only remind you that when we are all born, we all think we are the fittest in our line, and in fact, we are.

I did not assume physical fitness and aggression. Genetic fitness begins with our selfish gene default to cooperation and not competition or aggression.

How do I deal with evil. I raise hell against it.

Your last view was intelligent, but not suited to our times.

At this point in time, we are actually too good to each other. We are allowing ourselves to do a lot of evil, even to the point where we might extinct ourselves, without the most moral calling those real evils out.

IE. Religions preaching homophobia and misogyny while the state preaches for equality for all.

Raise hell on that if you can. I se no one caring enough to call out our vile mainstream churches and mosques.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I really think men should address their need for fighting and competition, and not insist that all of humanity make sportsball and bar fights our destiny. They need to find the rest of their humanity and soon.

We have addressed, in large part, the evil done by our competitions.

We now have social safety nets to catch the looser and mitigate the harm they will get.

At one time, if you lost a competition, for a job let's say, you could starve to death.

You do recognize that we must compete or go extinct. Right?

Regards
DL

So in this competitive debate to survive I should show no restraint and squash you like a bug, right? To be honest I use restraint in line with forum rules. If we were speaking face to face it would be another matter.

Those who support forms of social Darwinism over here are called conservative Christian republicans. Winners and losers. A recurrung theme of yours is competion to survicve, if not a form of social Darwinism what is it? And how do you recocile that with he words of Jesus?

There are only two ways to win a war. Force or trade.

If I kill, I cannot profit from the dead.

You failed to answer my question and unless you do, you will not understand me.

You do recognize that we must compete or go extinct. Right?

Regards
DL

You keep talking about tribalism and war. We are one tribe of seven billion. There is literally no enemy to fight. We fight each other anyway, but those you fight and fear are your tribe, like it or not. Fighting at this point is as irrational as humans can be.

Come on for Christ sake.

Who suggested fighting?

Go away.

Regards
DL

 

[Angry Floof]

I really think men should address their need for fighting and competition, and not insist that all of humanity make sportsball and bar fights our destiny. They need to find the rest of their humanity and soon.

We have addressed, in large part, the evil done by our competitions.

We now have social safety nets to catch the looser and mitigate the harm they will get.

At one time, if you lost a competition, for a job let's say, you could starve to death.

You do recognize that we must compete or go extinct. Right?

Regards
DL

No. Do you recognize that competition where all the small groups live in each other's faces through technology and media, swimming in capitalist competition of the wealthy and corporations, where the competitors have little or no concern for human rights or well being, could very well cause human extinction?

Without following the fittest, a species is bound to weaken to extinction.

Every species stresses itself and you want homo all to go against the nature that created us and sustains us.

Not a good idea to go un-natural.

Regards
DL

What exactly do you consider to be "fittest"? Are you assuming physical fitness and aggression? If so, that is not fittest. Fittest is most adaptable. I believe (because there is no way to prove this) that there are more people capable of adapting to our weird and scary new world than not.

When you see changes in the world that you don't like, how do you deal with it? Openness to change and openness to compassion for all humans involved in the change? That's also a successful survival strategy, and it's one that is much needed today. Aggression is not necessary to our survival at this point, and continued aggression may well kill us all off.

I disagree with some of this, mostly because of timing and the condition of the world as I see it.

I agree with your view of the fittest and would only remind you that when we are all born, we all think we are the fittest in our line, and in fact, we are.

I did not assume physical fitness and aggression. Genetic fitness begins with our selfish gene default to cooperation and not competition or aggression.

How do I deal with evil. I raise hell against it.

Your last view was intelligent, but not suited to our times.

At this point in time, we are actually too good to each other. We are allowing ourselves to do a lot of evil, even to the point where we might extinct ourselves, without the most moral calling those real evils out.

IE. Religions preaching homophobia and misogyny while the state preaches for equality for all.

Raise hell on that if you can. I se no one caring enough to call out our vile mainstream churches and mosques.

Regards
DL

You are well equipped to call out evil and demand justice while still holding a world view based in a kind regard of humanity in general and based in humane principles. No one said you have to be nice to everyone you meet or have friendly feelings toward all individuals, just humanity in general. You can do that and also deal with evil actions of others with courage and also with humane regard for *their* humanity as well.

 

[Angry Floof]

I really think men should address their need for fighting and competition, and not insist that all of humanity make sportsball and bar fights our destiny. They need to find the rest of their humanity and soon.

We have addressed, in large part, the evil done by our competitions.

We now have social safety nets to catch the looser and mitigate the harm they will get.

At one time, if you lost a competition, for a job let's say, you could starve to death.

You do recognize that we must compete or go extinct. Right?

Regards
DL

So in this competitive debate to survive I should show no restraint and squash you like a bug, right? To be honest I use restraint in line with forum rules. If we were speaking face to face it would be another matter.

Those who support forms of social Darwinism over here are called conservative Christian republicans. Winners and losers. A recurrung theme of yours is competion to survicve, if not a form of social Darwinism what is it? And how do you recocile that with he words of Jesus?

There are only two ways to win a war. Force or trade.

If I kill, I cannot profit from the dead.

You failed to answer my question and unless you do, you will not understand me.

You do recognize that we must compete or go extinct. Right?

Regards
DL

You keep talking about tribalism and war. We are one tribe of seven billion. There is literally no enemy to fight. We fight each other anyway, but those you fight and fear are your tribe, like it or not. Fighting at this point is as irrational as humans can be.

Come on for Christ sake.

Who suggested fighting?

Go away.

Regards
DL

You're talking about force and war, etc. That's aggression. You literally have no enemies in reality. Stop stuffing people down the memory hole for disagreeing with you. Or you can just go away yourself? That's an option. I won't dismiss you, though.

 

[steve_bank]

Chistian Gnostic say he reesents 'goodness;, but if you chmnalnge his ethics it is 'fuck you'. Maybe 'fuck you' in Gnostic Christianity means good luck or have a nice day.

The RCC at the street lvel does a lot of good things. The pope peridicly says everybody shoud stop fifgting and work togeter. Is there no goodness in the RCC?

Zealots derive a simplistic easy to understand line and reet it over and over, commending anyone who questions it.

Over here an example is 'fefund the police'. Wasy to say and it never had any real definition. It was a rally point for anger.

Conservative Christians pick abortion. It costs nothing, it is easy to understand, and reinforces a self image of morality righteousness. There is nothing biblical on abortion.

Zealots especialy in politics are guilty of the 'excluded middle'. What is right and moral can only be polarized and one sided, there is no middle ground. The oter side is complety wrong and immoral, the other side is complexity right and moral beyond question.

 

[steve_bank]

I really think men should address their need for fighting and competition, and not insist that all of humanity make sportsball and bar fights our destiny. They need to find the rest of their humanity and soon.

We have addressed, in large part, the evil done by our competitions.

We now have social safety nets to catch the looser and mitigate the harm they will get.

At one time, if you lost a competition, for a job let's say, you could starve to death.

You do recognize that we must compete or go extinct. Right?

Regards
DL

So in this competitive debate to survive I should show no restraint and squash you like a bug, right? To be honest I use restraint in line with forum rules. If we were speaking face to face it would be another matter.

Those who support forms of social Darwinism over here are called conservative Christian republicans. Winners and losers. A recurrung theme of yours is competion to survicve, if not a form of social Darwinism what is it? And how do you recocile that with he words of Jesus?

There are only two ways to win a war. Force or trade.

If I kill, I cannot profit from the dead.

You failed to answer my question and unless you do, you will not understand me.

You do recognize that we must compete or go extinct. Right?

Regards
DL

You keep talking about tribalism and war. We are one tribe of seven billion. There is literally no enemy to fight. We fight each other anyway, but those you fight and fear are your tribe, like it or not. Fighting at this point is as irrational as humans can be.

You define Gnostic Christianity as a tribe with exclusive goodness. That is where conflict begins. I have seen it often enough on a small scale in the business environment. We are predisposed to tribalism amd hierarchical power structures. Beyond small homogeneous groups tribalism always emerges. Feelings chenocaly overrde logic and reason in the barin keading to self destructive behavior.

What I took away from Buddhism was that it was about learning to control those iraatinal impulses. nothing more than that.


I have learbed to cinreol my own irrationality, bit not always. Out on the Seattle streets I am usaly immune to what goes on and behavior towards me. but once in a while I will feel like sqauring off against somen=body I do not know. In the last three years I have had several cnfrtaions that end without a fight. Once or twice I was heading towards a fight but manged to pull back. The area I live in has grown steadily more dangerous in recent years. My eyes preclude my driving so I am on the streets and public transit. I started carrying pepper spray as an alternative to breaking somebody's skull with my cane.

Point being none of us are immune to rationality and tribalism.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Chistian Gnostic say he reesents 'goodness;, but if you chmnalnge his ethics it is 'fuck you'. Maybe 'fuck you' in Gnostic Christianity means good luck or have a nice day.

The RCC at the street lvel does a lot of good things. The pope peridicly says everybody shoud stop fifgting and work togeter. Is there no goodness in the RCC?

Zealots derive a simplistic easy to understand line and reet it over and over, commending anyone who questions it.

Over here an example is 'fefund the police'. Wasy to say and it never had any real definition. It was a rally point for anger.

Conservative Christians pick abortion. It costs nothing, it is easy to understand, and reinforces a self image of morality righteousness. There is nothing biblical on abortion.

Zealots especialy in politics are guilty of the 'excluded middle'. What is right and moral can only be polarized and one sided, there is no middle ground. The oter side is complety wrong and immoral, the other side is complexity right and moral beyond question.

Right or wrong is determined by discussion and debate, but Christians do not debate morals.

They cannot justify a genocidal prick of a god.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

You define Gnostic Christianity as a tribe with exclusive goodness.

As a dualist, I do not think in exclusive ways.

I embrace all of creation, including the evil bits.

Like Christians, I sing of Adam's sin as a happy fault and necessary to God's plan.

As a naturalist, the evil I see in our evolution is a small evil within a greater good.

You do not understand us or religion much, so should refrain from your strange vies of Gnostic Christianity.

Regards
DL

 

[Politesse]

You define Gnostic Christianity as a tribe with exclusive goodness.

As a dualist, I do not think in exclusive ways.

I embrace all of creation, including the evil bits.

Like Christians, I sing of Adam's sin as a happy fault and necessary to God's plan.

As a naturalist, the evil I see in our evolution is a small evil within a greater good.

You do not understand us or religion much, so should refrain from your strange vies of Gnostic Christianity.

Regards
DL"

Who is "us"?