Delivering For FedEx While Black

[Gospel]

Police got the call & I'm certain they got the address where this incident started from FedEx or the victim, yet a week later the suspects had to turn themselves in for any arrests to be made.

Judging by their Twitter, they can't say they were busy. A lot of posts about construction which I'm certain my Orange County Florida Police would be envious of.

 

[Gospel]

to the defense of the police taking a week before making a (voluntary) arrest, the suspects either;
a) called the police on the day of the incident leaving out the part where they gunned down a moving truck on the road & police were like "good job Mr. Case, we'll take it from here".
b) didn't find the situation important enough to inform the police but it definitely was important enough to gun down a moving truck
or
c) they knew they committed a crime and didn't want the police involved

Considering it took a week for the police to make a (voluntary) arrest even though FedEx filed a complaint the next day which one sounds the most likely to you? Keep in mind all of the above is outrageous.


Now onto the whole FedEx filing a complaint the next day thing. WTF IS EVEN THAT? If I was the employee I would have called the police the instant I was in a position to do so. Did he not personally call the police after being shot at and instead relied on his Company to file a complaint with the police tomorrow? Was that complaint a swift response to a non-responsive police department? I wouldn't want to call the police either but if I intended to I damn sure wouldn't put it off until the next day or let my company address it on the next day either. I'd be concerned that I may have to shoot some crazy white people who spotted me at Publix picking up groceries that evening.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

to the defense of the police taking a week before making a (voluntary) arrest, the suspects either;
a) called the police on the day of the incident leaving out the part where they gunned down a moving truck on the road & police were like "good job Mr. Case, we'll take it from here".
b) didn't find the situation important enough to inform the police but it definitely was important enough to gun down a moving truck
or
c) they knew they committed a crime and didn't want the police involved

Considering it took a week for the police to make a (voluntary) arrest even though FedEx filed a complaint the next day which one sounds the most likely to you? Keep in mind all of the above is outrageous.

I am relying on an additional tidbit of info that perhaps I misunderstood or misread from somewhere I don't remember (video/articles). I think I had heard that when the young man told police about it/Fed Ex filed a report that the police were aware but had no idea the men fired a weapon. So based on that, I think the answer is (a). What I surmise happened next is that communications between friendly police and the Cases happened once it was clear there was physical evidence of the shooting. Someone on the force told them their best legal interest would be to hire a lawyer and turn themselves in to show they were responsible citizens and the police gave them extended time to do so which is why it was days after physical evidence was presented.

 

[Gospel]

That's possible. Regardless they had a whole week to put together a story and have a lawyer look over evidence that would justify them chasing and shooting at a truck. I look forward to hearing it.

 

[Toni]

I am crossing my fingers really hard that it took a week to negotiate the terms of surrender and thus avoid a gunfight, which we know the Case family was able to deliver. If this is the case, then I do applaud the police department for wishing to avoid bloodshed.

What can I say? I'm an optimist.

 

[Gun Nut]

This is what I IMAGINE happened, applying Occam's Razor....
In this part of the country, peoples "Driveways" are not 10 feet long from the busy public road in the front of your house to your front door where you can clearly see a FedEx package waiting for you and the distance between you and your "visitor" is at most, 10 feet. Instead, people's "driveways" are mile-long private roads maintained by a local community of property owners along that private road. Such a road is often gated. It is uncommon to see strangers there, and without invitation, might even be posted as trespassing.
So, this father and son are returning home, turning onto their private road, where this UHaul rental truck (with a tiny little magnetic FedEx sign stuck on somewhere invisible) driven by a stranger is attempting to drive out.
This appears to be a robbery, so the father and son block the road to ask the driver what he is doing. The driver , rather than roll down his window and say "howdy boys.. FedEx here" and gesture to wherever the embelum was stuck on... or flash an employee badge or someting... instead chose to ignore them and drive around them and leave.
What followed was a road-rage-esque pursuit that ended with the father and son eventually having an oh shit moment as they realized what they were doing, and surrendered themselves to Police.

That's my GUESS.

Let's see if we get a reliable play-by-play and see how close this was.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

This is what I IMAGINE happened, applying Occam's Razor....
In this part of the country, peoples "Driveways" are not 10 feet long from the busy public road in the front of your house to your front door where you can clearly see a FedEx package waiting for you and the distance between you and your "visitor" is at most, 10 feet. Instead, people's "driveways" are mile-long private roads maintained by a local community of property owners along that private road. Such a road is often gated. It is uncommon to see strangers there, and without invitation, might even be posted as trespassing.
So, this father and son are returning home, turning onto their private road, where this UHaul rental truck (with a tiny little magnetic FedEx sign stuck on somewhere invisible) driven by a stranger is attempting to drive out.
This appears to be a robbery, so the father and son block the road to ask the driver what he is doing. The driver , rather than roll down his window and say "howdy boys.. FedEx here" and gesture to wherever the embelum was stuck on... or flash an employee badge or someting... instead chose to ignore them and drive around them and leave.
What followed was a road-rage-esque pursuit that ended with the father and son eventually having an oh shit moment as they realized what they were doing, and surrendered themselves to Police.

That's my GUESS.

Let's see if we get a reliable play-by-play and see how close this was.

I think you are half right and half wrong. Based on looking at pictures from google maps, the driveway is more than 10 feet. However, there is no evidence it is a private road or a no trespassing sign is posted. It is also not a mile. One house is on a long driveway behind another house, perhaps a couple hundred feet, but not a mile. The address of both residences belonging to father and son are on the proper road as opposed to any private road which they are not. There is also no gate. So, yes--long driveway....no--no gate...probably not on posted signs. Further, you left out that the delivery person was wearing a uniform and so therefore if he had a magnet that was barely visible, then if the father and son observed him on the property they saw him with the uniform on, and further observed him with uniform on while he was driving. That means, they had concluded incorrectly he was wearing the uniform as a scam. According to the driver he had initially gone past the house and then turned around went there. No doubt upon delivery to the back house, there are many confused delivery people who miss the address and then have to circle back, even if they know the number correctly ahead of time. So therefore, one can't really point to that single factor as being the primary cause of the shooting.

The driver really did not do anything wrong. He didn't pass a sign that said not to enter. No doubt next the father son duo will try to use stand your ground defense for chasing down an innocent person and this will eventually be rejected.

 

[Gun Nut]

I agree that it sounds like the driver did nothing wrong.. but even if he did *something* less than perfect, that is no justification to shoot at him. My first thought / guess was not a *justification* for anyone's actions... just what I thought might be a likely description of events.

 

[Gospel]

What followed was a road-rage-esque pursuit that ended with the father and son eventually having an oh shit moment as they realized what they were doing, and surrendered themselves to Police.

This must be a record. First time I heard an oh-shit moment last a whole week.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This appears to be a robbery, so the father and son block the road to ask the driver what he is doing. The driver , rather than roll down his window and say "howdy boys.. FedEx here" and gesture to wherever the embelum was stuck on... or flash an employee badge or someting... instead chose to ignore them and drive around them and leave.

Very likely, but yet, they themselves didn't call the Police to report the crime suspicion.

What followed was a road-rage-esque pursuit that ended with the father and son eventually having an oh shit moment as they realized what they were doing, and surrendered themselves to Police.

That is kind of you. It was more likely they were running out of room to be heroes without getting caught firing among witnesses.

Also they didn't surrender for a week. Long time for the rage to wear off.

That's my GUESS.
Let's see if we get a reliable play-by-play and see how close this was.

They likely thought the 'black guy' was up to no good and wanted to play bad cop-bad cop. They did not call the Police to report a crime might be occurring. Instead, they tried to murder the 'black guy'.

What I find interesting in this situation is that while continue to flee likely saved this driver his life, merely fleeing didn't stop the bad actors from trying to murder him... much as some people suggested fleeing would have helped Arbary.

 

[Gospel]

What I find interesting in this situation is that while continue to flee likely saved this driver his life, merely fleeing didn't stop the bad actors from trying to murder him... much as some people suggested fleeing would have helped Arbary.

Facts! Just like Arbery they simply saw the act of fleeing as further confirmation that he was up to no good.

 

[TomC]

What followed was a road-rage-esque pursuit that ended with the father and son eventually having an oh shit moment as they realized what they were doing, and surrendered themselves to Police.

This must be a record. First time I heard an oh-shit moment last a whole week.

Did that happen?

A week between the oh-shit moment and surrendering to the cops, knowing just how deep in shit they are, isn't the same thing.
Tom

 

[Gospel]

What followed was a road-rage-esque pursuit that ended with the father and son eventually having an oh shit moment as they realized what they were doing, and surrendered themselves to Police.

This must be a record. First time I heard an oh-shit moment last a whole week.

Did that happen?

A week between the oh-shit moment and surrendering to the cops, knowing just how deep in shit they are, isn't the same thing.
Tom

I was poking fun at how Gun Nut wrote the sentence going from oh shit, to surrender without consideration for the time between the oh shit and the surrender. What would we call that expanse of time between the oh-shit moment and them turning themselves in any way? The-week-long-oh-shit we-didn't-report-that-oh-shit moment-moment?

 

[TomC]

I was poking fun at how Gun Nut wrote the sentence going from oh shit, to surrender without consideration for the time between the oh shit and the surrender. What would we call that expanse of time between the oh-shit moment and them turning themselves in any way? The-week-long-oh-shit we-didn't-report-that-oh-shit moment-moment?

I get all that.
My guess is their oh-shit moment included Mirandizing themselves. "You have the right to remain silent, anything you do say will be used against you in the court of the internet. That's before you get to legal court"
Realizing how deep this shit is. They've been described as "McMichaels wannabes". McMichaels got life without parole.

Knowing that they'd better scrub their Facebook and cash in the kids' college fund to lawyer up and say goodbye to Gramma because they might never see her again.
Yeah, a week seems reasonable.
Tom

 

[Gospel]

My guess is their oh-shit moment included Mirandizing themselves. "You have the right to remain silent, anything you do say will be used against you in the court of the internet. That's before you get to legal court"
Realizing how deep this shit is. They've been described as "McMichaels wannabes". McMichaels got life without parole.

Maybe not doing stuff similar to what the McMichaels did is a better idea to avoid being labeled as McMichael wannabes.

Knowing that they'd better scrub their Facebook and cash in the kids' college fund to lawyer up and say goodbye to Gramma because they might never see her again.
Yeah, a week seems reasonable.

Reasonable to who? A week to make an arrest when you know where the perps live is not reasonable from a law enforcement point of view. When people go vigilante and open fire in the public I doubt any police department wants to be known for twiddling fingers while waiting for the perps to show up at their station. Unless of course, the police consider the part of the public that is in danger not worth supporting and many in that area share the sentiment.

It's only reasonable for a week to have gone by if the police took action immediately but couldn't find them and after sending out a public request for them to turn themselves in, the perps showed up after a week passed.

Consider another thing. My understanding is the victim was home without pay for a week, but what if that wasn't the case and he needed to work and FedEx allowed him to, he'd essentially be in danger as the perps would still be at large while the police just sit around chilling.

I'm curious about what happened with the police, when & what info did they get and what did they do?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

What followed was a road-rage-esque pursuit that ended with the father and son eventually having an oh shit moment as they realized what they were doing, and surrendered themselves to Police.

This must be a record. First time I heard an oh-shit moment last a whole week.

Did that happen?

A week between the oh-shit moment and surrendering to the cops, knowing just how deep in shit they are, isn't the same thing.
Tom

This. It took them a while to figure out how deep they had stepped into the shit.

 

[Toni]

What followed was a road-rage-esque pursuit that ended with the father and son eventually having an oh shit moment as they realized what they were doing, and surrendered themselves to Police.

This must be a record. First time I heard an oh-shit moment last a whole week.

Did that happen?

A week between the oh-shit moment and surrendering to the cops, knowing just how deep in shit they are, isn't the same thing.
Tom

This. It took them a while to figure out how deep they had stepped into the shit.

I….just have an extremely difficult time believing that anyone does not immediately realize that pursuing someone in a motor vehicle while discharging weapons at that person/vehicle is unwise and illegal.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Did that happen?

A week between the oh-shit moment and surrendering to the cops, knowing just how deep in shit they are, isn't the same thing.
Tom

This. It took them a while to figure out how deep they had stepped into the shit.

I….just have an extremely difficult time believing that anyone does not immediately realize that pursuing someone in a motor vehicle while discharging weapons at that person/vehicle is unwise and illegal.

The sort of person who would be so stupid to this is also stupid enough to not realize how stupid such shooting is.

 

[TomC]

The sort of person who would be so stupid to this is also stupid enough to not realize how stupid such shooting is.

This was my point.
Where do you draw the line between stupid and mentally ill and having a bad day?

These guys better go to jail. You just can't shoot at vehicles, not in a remotely civilized place. I'm sure that they will, this isn't the 60s.
To me, the question isn't so much what happened as why?

Which I still don't know. Likely because I don't care that much. They messed up hugely, in a way that earned jail time. How much, I don't have a firm opinion about.
Tom

 

[Rhea]

Reasonable to who? A week to make an arrest when you know where the perps live is not reasonable from a law enforcement point of view.

Exactly, the fact that the police department sat on this for a week, and only acted when the shooters decided to turn themselves in, is what is completely unreasonable.