Delivering For FedEx While Black

[Gospel]

Assuming that's what happened (which probably did, given reports), it's an extremely stupid, violent, immoral, and illegal response to someone dropping off a package on your porch.

But why? Why would anybody get that upset over a delivery? Doesn't make sense. The OP narrative makes it a racial issue. Maybe it is. But, maybe there's more to this story. Stuff that doesn't fit the narrative, so it gets overlooked in the ideological media bubbles.
Tom

I dunno. Maybe it is about race because if a black guy chased anyone down in a car and started shooting at them, I wouldn't give a damn how it all started.

This reminds me of that story about a father with a son that's allergic to peanuts. Apparently this father ordered a smoothie without peanuts and he was given one contaminated (if not outright laced) with peanuts. His son became sick and was hospitalized then the father (rightfully upset) went back to the smoothie store and started going off on a racist tirade while threatening employees. The father was (also rightfully) arrested. This doesn't mean he can't sue the smoothie store, it's just that he can't get away with going on a violent racist tirade as a result.

 

[Toni]

I'm wondering if the Jackson Mississippi police are following this case? Jackson and Brookhaven are not that far apart:

I thought the Brookhaven being talked about is in Michigan.
Am I wrong? Did I believe a bit of false reporting on IIDB?
Tom

ETA ~Oh. A post was edited. ~

Don't know which post was edited but the link in the OP would have clarified things for you, if you were still uncertain after the posts mentioning how common Brookhaven is as a town name and how often it's associated with racist incidents.

We do not know for certain that this FedEx driver was fired upon because he is black. The Cases may just have been confused, drug addled or otherwise jacked up on some weird combination of testosterone and gunpowder. I don't know.

I'm glad that this driver is safe because at least one other black FedEx driver near Brookhaven MS has been shot and killed in recent months.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The whole "there must be more to the story" part is hardly ever used as a let's wait until more info is available before making any judgments on this forum. It's usually used as a defense for whoever side the poster has taken on the issue. Then when more information does come out, they hardly (if ever) change their position and double down on how this new info confirms their view regardless of evidence saying otherwise.

We really need to know if the delivery driver was wearing underwear. He was probably asking for it.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

FYI. I have determined the victim's name. I have searched through public databases and social media. He appears to me to have no criminal record at all--at least not listed as a parolee and in the database search I usually check it also lists no criminal record. I know that's the first thing people will try to say...he was doing something criminal or he has gold teeth or wanted guns or whatever. Of course, since he wanted to be a rapper, suddenly that will become a thing of contention, including trying to quote-mine lyrics out of context and include in any photos out of context...rather than focusing on the actual perps of the crimes.

 

[Politesse]

Don't know which post was edited but the link in the OP

Likely mine, I got the postal abbreviation wrong and had to go back and fix it. We got too many M states, but then I can talk! We get mistaken for Canada...

 

[Politesse]

But why? Why would anybody get that upset over a delivery?

They will, almost inevitably, say that they thought it was an attempted robbery or terrorist act, and that the skin color of the burglar had nothing at all to do with why they thought that. I would be shocked beyond any measure of belief if the perpetrators made any other defense of their actions. But the investigation is, indeed, stil ongoing, with no confirmation of much anything from the relevant agencies.

 

[TomC]

Don't know which post was edited but the link in the OP

Likely mine, I got the postal abbreviation wrong and had to go back and fix it. We got too many M states, but then I can talk! We get mistaken for Canada...

Yes.
But it didn't really matter what U.S. state it happened in. As a Hoosier, I know perfectly well that vicious racism is just as much a Yankee thing as a Southern thing. Possibly more, because virulent racism is seen as a Southern characteristic. We Northerners think that we're too good for such primitive thinking. It didn't occur to me to question your "MI".

Ain't so.
Google "Marion, Ind. lynching post card" for more information.

So we let things go, explain them away, change the subject...
Don't deal with anything uncomfortable.
Tom

 

[Politesse]

But it didn't really matter what U.S. state it happened in. As a Hoosier, I know perfectly well that vicious racism is just as much a Yankee thing as a Southern thing.

While I can't speak to Indiana, I have traveled around in the actual MI, and can confirm that the idea of the North as a racism-free zone is quite uninformed. I was shocked by the things I would overhear, or even just be told to my face directly, even during the few months in total that I was staying there. Whites would say things to each other, sometimes coded and sometimes not even that that would probably get them decked or arrested if they tried it here. And the state had its lynchings, too. But again, what can I say? My state is nearly as bad, if you're talking White/Mexican/Native relations rather than White/Black, and it was so ingrained in the culture of the middle classes that I didn't even truly realize it until I was an adult. Racism is soaked into the American Empire, soaked in blood too often but in speech and allusion perhaps more dangerously, because one can lead to the other in a heartbeat. As it has too often lately.

“I imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone, they will be forced to deal with pain ... We are very cruelly trapped between what we would like to be and what we actually are. And we cannot possibly become what we would like to be until we are willing to ask ourselves just why the lives we lead on this continent are mainly so empty, so tame, and so ugly.” ~James Baldwin

We'll keep clinging until we're forced to stop, perhaps.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The whole "there must be more to the story" part is hardly ever used as a let's wait until more info is available before making any judgments on this forum. It's usually used as a defense for whoever side the poster has taken on the issue. Then when more information does come out, they hardly (if ever) change their position and double down on how this new info confirms their view regardless of evidence saying otherwise.

Wait and see is sometimes the right answer. I'm thinking of the case not too far back where the cop shot a teenager being attacked by a group. Oops--the camera footage shows her with a knife going after an unarmed person.

 

[Metaphor]

I have no opinion on this story except that I am envious that the United States has package deliveries available after standard office hours.

 

[Toni]

The whole "there must be more to the story" part is hardly ever used as a let's wait until more info is available before making any judgments on this forum. It's usually used as a defense for whoever side the poster has taken on the issue. Then when more information does come out, they hardly (if ever) change their position and double down on how this new info confirms their view regardless of evidence saying otherwise.

Wait and see is sometimes the right answer. I'm thinking of the case not too far back where the cop shot a teenager being attacked by a group. Oops--the camera footage shows her with a knife going after an unarmed person.

Well thankfully this time the driver was able to escape being murdered unlike the drivers in Jackson.

I am trying to come up with a scenario where two citizens are allowed to shoot at someone driving a vehicle and I really cannot. Much less when a delivery driver is doing his Fed Ex job.

Why are you so determined that these men
we’re justified?

 

[Toni]

The whole "there must be more to the story" part is hardly ever used as a let's wait until more info is available before making any judgments on this forum. It's usually used as a defense for whoever side the poster has taken on the issue. Then when more information does come out, they hardly (if ever) change their position and double down on how this new info confirms their view regardless of evidence saying otherwise.

We really need to know if the delivery driver was wearing underwear. He was probably asking for it.

Actually we need to know how many baby mammas he gots n how many kids.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Back in the day we used to have to let the meter reader guy into the basement. Back in the day companies knew to color coordinate with the neighborhoods. I may be misremembering but I believe if the only thing stopping him was a screen door, he’d just do his usual loud knock, yell out, “water” and head on down to the basement. Could you imagine, in this day and age. Fuck me. Time was all they had to worry about was a mean dog. Now people act like dogs. And not the cute kind neither.
Magnetic signage on either door is SOP even for civilian contractors entering on secure government property. If it’s good enough for the government, it should be good enough for Brookhaven, Wherever.
Who didn’t scroll through that story and say, “Is that it?” Oh well. We’re all entitled to our opinion, right? No one ever said it had to be an informed one.
But yeah, shooting at people is bad. But then again, mean dogs rarely gather information before forming an opinion.
What does all this mean? Who knows. Fucking Mississippi, right.

 

[Jarhyn]

Don't know which post was edited but the link in the OP

Likely mine, I got the postal abbreviation wrong and had to go back and fix it. We got too many M states, but then I can talk! We get mistaken for Canada...

Yes.
But it didn't really matter what U.S. state it happened in. As a Hoosier, I know perfectly well that vicious racism is just as much a Yankee thing as a Southern thing. Possibly more, because virulent racism is seen as a Southern characteristic. We Northerners think that we're too good for such primitive thinking. It didn't occur to me to question your "MI".

Ain't so.
Google "Marion, Ind. lynching post card" for more information.

So we let things go, explain them away, change the subject...
Don't deal with anything uncomfortable.
Tom

Living in Minnesota, you see that racism is so often systemic and vaguely accomplished to be nearly invisible.

It is buried in the shape of highway access to certain parts of town.

It is buried in the way road maintenance is scheduled.

It is buried in which bus stops go down for road projects so as to remove bus route access from certain parts of the downtown area.

It is buried in how legal weed here has been entirely coopted by the Bachman family.

It is buried in how the police union lobbies fiercely for the drug war.

It's so vague that you have to be fairly smart, or be exactly someone struggling under it for years, to see it.

It is not an accident that none of the busses that service North Minneapolis have access to the Nicolette Avenue Mall stop, which is the one for accessing skyways between commuter connections, and haven't for much of the last year. The stop came up for 3 months before it was taken down again.

 

[TomC]

I am trying to come up with a scenario where two citizens are allowed to shoot at someone driving a vehicle and I really cannot. Much less when a delivery driver is doing his Fed Ex job.

Nobody on this forum has suggested any such thing.
According to reports, even the perps know that they're in trouble. Big trouble.

Why are you so determined that these men
we’re justified?

Nobody on this forum has tried to do that. Pointing out that there's not a coherent narrative, based on media reports, isn't justifying anything. Why are you determined to accuse people of doing that?
Tom

 

[Toni]

I am trying to come up with a scenario where two citizens are allowed to shoot at someone driving a vehicle and I really cannot. Much less when a delivery driver is doing his Fed Ex job.

Nobody on this forum has suggested any such thing.
According to reports, even the perps know that they're in trouble. Big trouble.

Why are you so determined that these men
we’re justified?

Nobody on this forum has tried to do that. Pointing out that there's not a coherent narrative, based on media reports, isn't justifying anything. Why are you determined to accuse people of doing that?
Tom

I think the narrative is pretty straightforward. Case and his father fired upon a FedEx driver who happened to be black. I am pretty certain that their attorneys have advised them not to comment.

I cannot imagine any narrative that would allow two men to shoot at a FedEx driver in any legitimate way.

I’m sincere when I write that I hope those who are investigating the murder of the black FedEx driver in Jackson are looking for any connection.

 

[Elixir]

I hope those who are investigating the murder of the black FedEx driver in Jackson are looking for any connection.

Prob'ly he had past-due parking tickets. Totally justified.

 

[TomC]

I cannot imagine any narrative that would allow two men to shoot at a FedEx driver in any legitimate way.

Why do you keep repeating this? Are you disagreeing with someone?
Looks to me more like you're trying to support a (currently) unsupported assertion. That the big issue here is racism when that isn't supported by the facts. If the driver weren't black, shooting at his truck would still be appalling and illegal.
Tom

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

If the driver weren't black, shooting at his truck would still be appalling and illegal.

And if the shooters were from Mars, this would be a sci-fi story.

 

[TomC]

If the driver weren't black, shooting at his truck would still be appalling and illegal.

And if the shooters were from Mars, this would be a sci-fi story.

Lousy dodge of what I posted, but I guess racial ideologues don't have much better.

It's entirely possible that this issue is nothing more than addled racists getting outrageously violent. If so, they're gonna get whacked. What I'm saying is "There might be more to the story than the breathless ideological media has reported."
Key word there is "might".
Tom