Police response to N.J. mall fight sparks outrage after Black teen cuffed as white teen watches

[Rhea]

the staus quo - the one where one boy was handcuffed, and another, doing the same thing! was not.

And by the way, note this well:

They arrested the Black teen.
They did not arrest the white teen.
The two teens were doing the SAME THING in the SAME PLACE at the SAME TIME.
And this, despite the fact that the white teen asked them to arrest him too, because he saw that this was wrong! He tried to give the cops a clue. They woke up and chose racism.

"I was confused because I offered for them to arrest me because I knew it was wrong," the 15-year-old Franco told MyCentralJersey.com, adding that he did not think Husain resisted officers.

Read More: White teen in Bridgewater, NJ mall fight says cops were wrong | https://nj1015.com/white-teen-in-bridgewater-nj-mall-fight/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral

And now some of our friends here will say, “look, Black people commit more crimes than whites - see their arrest rates? It’s proof!”

That right there is exactly how it’s done.

 

[Metaphor]

The cops instantly thought one boy was dangerous and needed to be subdued and cuffed, and thought the other boy was safe enough to turn their backs on. They thought the boy on the BOTTOM of the fight was dangerous and needed cuffing, and the boy on the TOP of the fight was fine sitting on his own while they turned their backs.

The 'cops' don't have a hive mind. One cop attended to one boy, the other cop attended to the other.

 

[Metaphor]

Why? Why woould I do a flip and a twist and a douple pike to NOT USE the clear evidence?

Because what you regard as clear evidence is already shaped by your prejudice. Your first response to this thread describing the events in the video is clear evidence of that.

 

[Metaphor]

Would the leftist sort of racist change their minds?

No one's given us a reason to yet.

I've explained twice that the sex of each police officer may explain some of the differences in the treatment of the boys.

 

[Metaphor]

Fact: The cops arrived to find a white boy on top of a black boy.
Fact: one cop pulls the white boy off the top of the black boy, and does not restrain him.
Fact: that cop turns her back on the boy who was on top of the fight and stops monitoring him.
Fact: He (top boy) stands back up, and they still don’t care what he’s doing.
Fact: the other cop takes the boy on his hands and knees and slams him to the ground,

Oh. I interpreted that part as the boy being gently guided to the ground.

pushing his face into what looks like a planter or large trash receptical.
Fact: Cop immediately pulls out handcuffs and cuffs the boy who was on the bottom of the fight, while still not monitoring the boy who was on the top.

His female partner had attended to that boy. Should he have tried to restrain both boys by himself?

Fact: both cops put their knees on this boy’s back, while the other boy (the one on the top of the fight, remember,) stands behind them, unmonitored.
Fact: They only ever cuffed one boy.
Fact: they only ever arrested one boy.
Fact: the unarrested boy agrees that it was unjust and unreasonable.

This is a better attempt than your first attempt at describing the events factually, but it is still coloured by your prejudice.

 

[Metaphor]

I watched the video twice. To me, it looked as if the cop certainly treated the Black teen very differently than the White teen was treated.

Nobody is disputing that they were treated differently.

 

[Metaphor]

Fact: they only ever arrested one boy.

The CNN article does not mention anyone being arrested.

 

[Metaphor]

Kye was asked what he thought should happen to the cops - a mere firing. Kye's mother said "I do want those two cops to become unemployable".

Even if there was no doubt that the cops were open, active racists (and there is no doubt in the minds of some people) is permanent extra-curial punishment appropriate for that transgression? Catholics are taught that all people inevitably sin, but we can be forgiven if we repent.

 

[TomC]

I watched the video twice. To me, it looked as if the cop certainly treated the Black teen very differently than the White teen was treated.

Nobody is disputing that they were treated differently.

Yesterday, I was treated differently from the lady ahead of me at the grocery checkout.

I had a ton of stuff. She had two things. I let her go ahead in line. Then she spent awhile finding her debit card. She started looking for it after the checkout clerk said that'll be $12.17 or something. I had cash in my hand.
People get treated differently all the time.
Just happens.
Tom

 

[Rhea]

People get treated differently all the time.
Just happens.
Tom

Indeed it does. “Just happen.”

That the female cop put the one teen on the couch. She then patted his chest, and stood up to go kneel on the other teen’s neck.

Shit “just happens.”

The point is that when shit “just happens” to one group at significantly higher rates than another group, it is not normal process variation. It’s a trend. With a cause.

 

[laughing dog]

People get treated differently all the time.
Just happens.
Tom

Indeed it does. “Just happen.”

That the female cop put the one teen on the couch. She then patted his chest, and stood up to go kneel on the other teen’s neck.

Shit “just happens.”

The point is that when shit “just happens” to one group at significantly higher rates than another group, it is not normal process variation. It’s a trend. With a cause.

Ah, but the combination "shit just happens". "lame stream media" "identity politics" and "victimhood claims" allows anyone to hand wave away evidence - especially conservatives.

It is always true that the public never gets the whole story. That doesn't stop people from drawing conclusions. The reported facts to date are much more consistent with bigotry/racism on the part of the officers in question.

 

[blastula]

Kye was asked what he thought should happen to the cops - a mere firing. Kye's mother said "I do want those two cops to become unemployable".

Even if there was no doubt that the cops were open, active racists (and there is no doubt in the minds of some people) is permanent extra-curial punishment appropriate for that transgression? Catholics are taught that all people inevitably sin, but we can be forgiven if we repent.

Does any of those people have covid?

 

[Metaphor]

The reported facts to date are much more consistent with bigotry/racism on the part of the officers in question.

The reported facts (and indeed, the video footage) is consistent with "bigotry/racism" from the people who already have a bias towards interpreting events as "bigotry/racism".

Rhea's original description of the video events revealed that exact kind of bias. The white boy was "helped up" and "guided". Only somebody hopelessly mired in her own bias could possibly have used that language to describe how the white boy was handled by the female cop.

 

[Patooka]

Only somebody hopelessly mired in her own bias could possibly have used that language to describe how the white boy was handled by the female cop.

Quite literally only you and Derec are unable to put 2 and 2 together about this incident.

Man, I love the hills you decide to die on.

 

[Metaphor]

Only somebody hopelessly mired in her own bias could possibly have used that language to describe how the white boy was handled by the female cop.

Quite literally only you and Derec are unable to put 2 and 2 together about this incident.

Man, I love the hills you decide to die on.

On the contrary, at least one other person has reserved judgment and said so.

I appear to be dying on a lot of hills lately, if your reports are accurate.

Now Patooka, if you mean "everyone else on this thread has the same lockstep bias that I do, and therefore I feel fully justified that I am correct", I couldn't agree more.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I watched the video twice. To me, it looked as if the cop certainly treated the Black teen very differently than the White teen was treated.

Nobody is disputing that they were treated differently.

Yesterday, I was treated differently from the lady ahead of me at the grocery checkout.

I had a ton of stuff. She had two things. I let her go ahead in line. Then she spent awhile finding her debit card. She started looking for it after the checkout clerk said that'll be $12.17 or something. I had cash in my hand.
People get treated differently all the time.
Just happens.
Tom

That actually doesn't demonstrate the point you intended but instead the opposite point--that there are reasons for differences in outcomes. For example, you observed that she had two things whereas you had a whole bunch. Therefore, you observed a difference and made a deliberate decision to treat her differently than yourself, giving her priority to go first. That does not in any way mean that "Just happens."

You can't use an argument like Goddittit because things happen for reasons, while of course we sometimes don't know the reasons, but the reasons are still there. There's no "Just happens."

Imagine there's a white teacher. She has two students, one White and one Black but are otherwise the same. Both students get an A on an assignment. She rewards them by giving the White student 10 chocolate chip cookies and by giving the Black student 1 chocolate chip cookie. You can't just say differences just happen and shrug.

On the other hand, if in the hypothetical, there are other differences, like she owed one of the students 9 cookies, then you can point to that as a reason for a difference in the cookies she gives. But that's also the opposite of "Just happens."

 

[laughing dog]

The reported facts to date are much more consistent with bigotry/racism on the part of the officers in question.

The reported facts (and indeed, the video footage) is consistent with "bigotry/racism" from the people who already have a bias towards interpreting events as "bigotry/racism".

Are you seriously arguing that it is not consistent with "bigotry/racism"? Please remember that "consistent with" is not "prove of " and it does not preclude changing one's mind when more information is revealed.

Rhea's original description of the video events revealed that exact kind of bias. The white boy was "helped up" and "guided". Only somebody hopelessly mired in her own bias could possibly have used that language to describe how the white boy was handled by the female cop.

I would argue that only somebody hopelessly mired in his own bias could possibly come up with such a blatant misinterpretation.

 

[Metaphor]

Are you seriously arguing that it is not consistent with "bigotry/racism"? Please remember that "consistent with" is not "prove of " and it does not preclude changing one's mind when more information is revealed.

No, I am not arguing that it is not consistent with it. I should have wrote "is" where I wrote "is consistent with".

I would argue that only somebody hopelessly mired in his own bias could possibly come up with such a blatant misinterpretation.

The only thing that was more biased than Rhea's description of events was the NAACP's narrative. To hear tell of it, the white boy was given ice cream then tucked into bed with an eiderdown quilt.

 

[Patooka]

Now Patooka, if you mean "everyone else on this thread has the same lockstep bias that I do, and therefore I feel fully justified that I am correct", I couldn't agree more.

That is certainly one way of thinking it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I would argue that only somebody hopelessly mired in his own bias could possibly come up with such a blatant misinterpretation.

The only thing that was more biased than Rhea's description of events was the NAACP's narrative. To hear tell of it, the white boy was given ice cream then tucked into bed with an eiderdown quilt.

White kid was put in a chair. Black kid was assaulted. White kid not arrested, black kid arrested.