Police response to N.J. mall fight sparks outrage after Black teen cuffed as white teen watches

[laughing dog]

I would argue that only somebody hopelessly mired in his own bias could possibly come up with such a blatant misinterpretation.

The only thing that was more biased than Rhea's description of events was the NAACP's narrative. To hear tell of it, the white boy was given ice cream then tucked into bed with an eiderdown quilt.

White kid was put in a chair. Black kid was assaulted. White kid not arrested, black kid arrested.

Where does it say the black kid was arrested?

The Internet
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...ested-in-new-jersey-mall-hires-benjamin-crump

 

[Metaphor]

The semantic complaints are a tactic. The goal is to stop the conversation about racism and replace it with outrage against “the left.”

On the contrary: your rhetorical language was a tactic.

 

[Metaphor]

I think it’s just you and Derek in this thread who are marching up hills lockstep.

I thought I was already on the hill and dying. Also, on other hills and dying.

 

[Gospel]

Where does it say the black kid was arrested?

Where does anyone say the "white kid" was detained, arrested, held up, obstructed, hindered, set back, delayed, slowed down by the police other than to stop him from attacking his victim?

 

[Toni]

I would argue that only somebody hopelessly mired in his own bias could possibly come up with such a blatant misinterpretation.

The only thing that was more biased than Rhea's description of events was the NAACP's narrative. To hear tell of it, the white boy was given ice cream then tucked into bed with an eiderdown quilt.

White kid was put in a chair. Black kid was assaulted. White kid not arrested, black kid arrested.

Where does it say the black kid was arrested?

The kid being handcuffed is a pretty decent indication that he is being arrested. If one googles nj mall fight, one retrieves multiple links from multiple news sources indicating that the black kid was arrested.

I have not found whether or not charges have been filed against the black kid. My guess is that if charges were filed against him, they have since been dismissed unless equal charges were filed against the white boy. I'll wager a guess that any charges have been dismissed.

Both kids have been banned from the mall for 3 years which seems like a gross over-reaction.

 

[laughing dog]

Where does it say the black kid was arrested?

Where does anyone say the "white kid" was detained, arrested, held up, obstructed, hindered, set back, delayed, slowed down by the police other than to stop him from attacking his victim?

Or even handcuffed?

 

[Metaphor]

Blacks: Cops treat us differently.
Whites: We don't believe you.
*video evidence of altercation between white and black youth shows Cops explicitly treating the two differently*
Whites: *points* Look, a red herring!

The black youth and the white youth were treated differently in the video by the cops. Do you believe that the only reason for this must be explicit discrimination by the cops against black people?

I don’t care what label is used to describe why they were treated differently. The point is they WERE treated differently.

Deny it happens and when shown to happen, red herring city.

But the reason why this white youth and this black youth were treated differently to each other is important.

So why do you think the boy on bottom was treated differently than the boy on top in that fight?

I have already spoken to this. I think the most obvious first explanation is that each was attended to by a different officer and the male officer behaved very differently to the female officer.

 

[Gospel]

Where does it say the black kid was arrested?

Where does anyone say the "white kid" was detained, arrested, held up, obstructed, hindered, set back, delayed, slowed down by the police other than to stop him from attacking his victim?

Or even handcuffed?

I bet he "the white kid" (who isn't actually white thus the quotes) didn't even know about the fallout until he saw the title "Mall video goes viral" on his local news station with a still of him pointing in his victim's face. Now that;'s an oh shit moment.

 

[Metaphor]

Where does it say the black kid was arrested?

Where does anyone say the "white kid" was detained, arrested, held up, obstructed, hindered, set back, delayed, slowed down by the police other than to stop him from attacking his victim?

The only story that said 'arrested' was the one linked by laughing dog (which was from thehill, but laughing dog claimed it was 'the internet') and I can't find any others that use that word. The CNN article in the OP didn't. Now, perhaps 'arrested' means only that he was restrained in handcuffs in this context, but I thought there had to be more than that to it.

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An “arrest” occurs when anyone in the state of New Jersey has been charged with a criminal offense.

In the context of the fight before the police arrived, what made the black boy the 'victim'?

 

[Rhea]

One wonders, in the “sexism explains it” model, why the big, competent manly man allowed the weak and wilting female officer to grab the fighter on the top (the one who was winning) and deal with him alone without a second glance by the big competent manly man, who took care of the loser in the fight.

How does “sexism explains it” work there, unless we are assuming that all black teens are dangerous and white teens are not? How did macho decide on the bottom teen?

 

[Gospel]

In the context of the fight before the police arrived, what made the black boy the 'victim'?

The police.

 

[laughing dog]

Talk about putting salt on a wound
Arrested boy asked to pay for broken table

A Black teenager who was arrested last week after a fight with a white teen at a New Jersey mall was told by security his family was financially responsible for a table that was broken while police physically detained the 13-year-old.

These are not hard to find. Just google "z'kye arrested"

 

[Metaphor]

One wonders, in the “sexism explains it” model, why the big, competent manly man allowed the weak and wilting female officer to grab the fighter on the top (the one who was winning) and deal with him alone without a second glance by the big competent manly man, who took care of the loser in the fight.

How does “sexism explains it” work there, unless we are assuming that all black teens are dangerous and white teens are not? How did macho decide on the bottom teen?

I doubt you wonder it, nor did anybody say 'sexism explains it'.

I did say the sex of the officers was worth considering. But first, I have to correct your narrative, again.

'The fighter on top' (the white boy) was not 'winning'. That is your perception only. The white boy had a height and weight advantage over the black boy, but it did not seem to me the white boy had any fighting skills to write home about. In the video footage, the white boy mostly tries to use his size advantage to grapple/tackle the black boy, whereas the black boy is throwing punches. In fact, it reminded me (painfully) of a fight I had in high school with a boy smaller than me. I couldn't fight for shit and even with my size advantage, all it took was for him to punch me in the face to end it while I tried to 'wrestle' him to victory.

I've a question for you, Rhea. If the white boy had not been co-operative, if he'd resisted the female officer in any significant way, do you think she had a chance of actually getting him on the ground and cuffing him?

 

[Toni]

Where does it say the black kid was arrested?

Where does anyone say the "white kid" was detained, arrested, held up, obstructed, hindered, set back, delayed, slowed down by the police other than to stop him from attacking his victim?

The only story that said 'arrested' was the one linked by laughing dog (which was from thehill, but laughing dog claimed it was 'the internet') and I can't find any others that use that word. The CNN article in the OP didn't. Now, perhaps 'arrested' means only that he was restrained in handcuffs in this context, but I thought there had to be more than that to it.

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An “arrest” occurs when anyone in the state of New Jersey has been charged with a criminal offense.

In the context of the fight before the police arrived, what made the black boy the 'victim'?

Nope. I’ve already stated that if one merely googles nj mall fight, up pops a whole long list of links saying black teen arrested. Including some of your favorite sources such as The Guardian and the New York Post.

‘Plain old racist’: teen in New Jersey mall fight condemns arrest of Black youth

Youth, 15, was shoved to couch but not restrained, while 14-year-old was handcuffed in incident that went viral

amp.theguardian.com

Behind the outrage over the NJ mall fight arrest

Civil rights attorney Charles Coleman gives his take.

www.msnbc.com

 

[laughing dog]

One wonders, in the “sexism explains it” model, why the big, competent manly man allowed the weak and wilting female officer to grab the fighter on the top (the one who was winning) and deal with him alone without a second glance by the big competent manly man, who took care of the loser in the fight.

How does “sexism explains it” work there, unless we are assuming that all black teens are dangerous and white teens are not? How did macho decide on the bottom teen?

I doubt you wonder it, nor did anybody say 'sexism explains it'.

I did say the sex of the officers was worth considering. But first, I have to correct your narrative, again.

'The fighter on top' (the white boy) was not 'winning'. That is your perception only. The white boy had a height and weight advantage over the black boy, but it did not seem to me the white boy had any fighting skills to write home about. In the video footage, the white boy mostly tries to use his size advantage to grapple/tackle the black boy, whereas the black boy is throwing punches. In fact, it reminded me (painfully) of a fight I had in high school with a boy smaller than me. I couldn't fight for shit and even with my size advantage, all it took was for him to punch me in the face to end it while I tried to 'wrestle' him to victory.

I've a question for you, Rhea. If the white boy had not been co-operative, if he'd resisted the female officer in any significant way, do you think she had a chance of actually getting him on the ground and cuffing him?

Totally irrelevant - one of the two fighting boys was cuffed. The cuffed boy is black, and there is no report or evidence that the other child was arrested.

Obfuscating the facts with these irrelevant issues is consistent with the tactic of avoiding the discussing the elephant in the room - racism.

 

[Metaphor]

Where does it say the black kid was arrested?

Where does anyone say the "white kid" was detained, arrested, held up, obstructed, hindered, set back, delayed, slowed down by the police other than to stop him from attacking his victim?

The only story that said 'arrested' was the one linked by laughing dog (which was from thehill, but laughing dog claimed it was 'the internet') and I can't find any others that use that word. The CNN article in the OP didn't. Now, perhaps 'arrested' means only that he was restrained in handcuffs in this context, but I thought there had to be more than that to it.

What to Expect When You Get Arrested in NJ? | William Proetta

If you or someone you know has been arrested in New Jersey, Contact the skilled criminal defense lawyers at William Proetta Criminal Law. Contact us today.

www.hudsoncountycriminallawyer.com

An “arrest” occurs when anyone in the state of New Jersey has been charged with a criminal offense.

In the context of the fight before the police arrived, what made the black boy the 'victim'?

Nope. I’ve already stated that if one merely googles nj mall fight, up pops a whole long list of links saying black teen arrested. Including some of your favorite sources such as The Guardian and the New York Post.

I did google it. And now I've searched The Guardian, though I don't know if I have the same story you are talking about. But in this story, the Guardian does not say the black boy was arrested, but it does quote the other boy saying 'arrested'.

‘Plain old racist’: teen in New Jersey mall fight condemns arrest of Black youth

Youth, 15, was shoved to couch but not restrained, while 14-year-old was handcuffed in incident that went viral

www.theguardian.com

A New Jersey teen who was involved in a mall fight that went viral has said police were wrong to treat him differently than the other youth in the altercation, who is Black.

“I don’t understand why they arrested him and not me,” he said. “I say, that was just plain old racist. I don’t condone that at all.”

 

[Metaphor]

One wonders, in the “sexism explains it” model, why the big, competent manly man allowed the weak and wilting female officer to grab the fighter on the top (the one who was winning) and deal with him alone without a second glance by the big competent manly man, who took care of the loser in the fight.

How does “sexism explains it” work there, unless we are assuming that all black teens are dangerous and white teens are not? How did macho decide on the bottom teen?

I doubt you wonder it, nor did anybody say 'sexism explains it'.

I did say the sex of the officers was worth considering. But first, I have to correct your narrative, again.

'The fighter on top' (the white boy) was not 'winning'. That is your perception only. The white boy had a height and weight advantage over the black boy, but it did not seem to me the white boy had any fighting skills to write home about. In the video footage, the white boy mostly tries to use his size advantage to grapple/tackle the black boy, whereas the black boy is throwing punches. In fact, it reminded me (painfully) of a fight I had in high school with a boy smaller than me. I couldn't fight for shit and even with my size advantage, all it took was for him to punch me in the face to end it while I tried to 'wrestle' him to victory.

I've a question for you, Rhea. If the white boy had not been co-operative, if he'd resisted the female officer in any significant way, do you think she had a chance of actually getting him on the ground and cuffing him?

Totally irrelevant - one of the two fighting boys was cuffed. The cuffed boy is black, and there is no report or evidence that the other child was arrested.

Obfuscating the facts with these irrelevant issues is consistent with the tactic of avoiding the discussing the elephant in the room - racism.

It is not totally irrelevant. First, I don't know how what happened to the black boy counts as an 'arrest'. There are no reports he was read his rights or taken to a police station or charged with anything. If somebody knows what constitutes police arrest in NJ I would be happy to be educated on this.

Second, the fact that you have already decided it was racism is the problem. You and others were not open to any other possibility. In fact, it seems to me if there was conscious or unconscious bias by the male officer, who was first on the scene and attended to the black boy, that does not mean the female officer was part of his bias.

 

[laughing dog]

One wonders, in the “sexism explains it” model, why the big, competent manly man allowed the weak and wilting female officer to grab the fighter on the top (the one who was winning) and deal with him alone without a second glance by the big competent manly man, who took care of the loser in the fight.

How does “sexism explains it” work there, unless we are assuming that all black teens are dangerous and white teens are not? How did macho decide on the bottom teen?

I doubt you wonder it, nor did anybody say 'sexism explains it'.

I did say the sex of the officers was worth considering. But first, I have to correct your narrative, again.

'The fighter on top' (the white boy) was not 'winning'. That is your perception only. The white boy had a height and weight advantage over the black boy, but it did not seem to me the white boy had any fighting skills to write home about. In the video footage, the white boy mostly tries to use his size advantage to grapple/tackle the black boy, whereas the black boy is throwing punches. In fact, it reminded me (painfully) of a fight I had in high school with a boy smaller than me. I couldn't fight for shit and even with my size advantage, all it took was for him to punch me in the face to end it while I tried to 'wrestle' him to victory.

I've a question for you, Rhea. If the white boy had not been co-operative, if he'd resisted the female officer in any significant way, do you think she had a chance of actually getting him on the ground and cuffing him?

Totally irrelevant - one of the two fighting boys was cuffed. The cuffed boy is black, and there is no report or evidence that the other child was arrested.

Obfuscating the facts with these irrelevant issues is consistent with the tactic of avoiding the discussing the elephant in the room - racism.

It is not totally irrelevant. First, I don't know how what happened to the black boy counts as an 'arrest'. There are no reports he was read his rights or taken to a police station or charged with anything. If somebody knows what constitutes police arrest in NJ I would be happy to be educated on this.

Reports that he was arrested are confusing to you?

Second, the fact that you have already decided it was racism is the problem. You and others were not open to any other possibility. In fact, it seems to me if there was conscious or unconscious bias by the male officer, who was first on the scene and attended to the black boy, that does not mean the female officer was part of his bias.

Once again, you have no clue anyone is or is not open to. Really, you are fucking terrible at mind reading.

The actions are consistent with racism - you agree with that. I have yet to see any counter argument or evidence. If some arises, I will consider it.

Your explanation is. to say the least, lacking, since only one child was cuffed, Doesn't matter which officer did what.

It would be nice to see a rational argument against the racism/bigotry conclusion instead of this insipid defense of white police officers.

 

[Gospel]

In the context of the fight before the police arrived, what made the black boy the 'victim'?

The police.

Unless you think the law doesn't exist until the police arrive. The police in the context of the fight before they arrived were represented by the law. And the police when they arrived represented the law. According to the law, the black boy was the victim of assault. It's unfortunate that the representatives of the law (once they arrived) also victimized him.

Edit: And now the mall apparently after victimizing him with a ban also wants to steal money from a victim of a crime.

 

[Gospel]

I wonder how the mall would handle a victim of theft. If you get your wallet stolen they'll ban you from the mall and then make you pay for the table the thief broke on the way out right?