Texas Cop Nathanial Robinson Uses Stun Gun On Elderly Man Over Inspection Sticker

[dismal]

In most of the cases that make it here reasonable people could disagree over whether the suspect has done something to precipitate the incident. Even in this case it could be argued that you should not get out of your car and move about with something in your hand when pulled over by the police. I seem to recall being told when you are pulled over that you sit in your car and keep your hands visible because police consider pulling someone over an inherently dangerous situation.

I'm not saying this officers actions were justifiable, but if they weren't it's not a libertarian v. non-libertarian issue. It's an issue of facts and circumstances.

I'd like to point out that the video makes it dubious as to whether the man was actually being pulled over.

At the very least It's clear he didn't think he was being pulled over.

There is no indication the police officer's lights or siren were active, the man pulls into the dealer's lot and immediately exits with a piece of paper in his hand. He is surprised to see the officer blocking his exit from the vehicle but when the officer steps aside he heads immediately to the front door of the dealership until the officer engages him in dialogue.

I think he had no clue that he was suspected of anything up until the point the officer grabbed his arm and threw him down on the hood of the car.

He does say the cop came up behind him with his lights flashing. That's generally a sign you're being pulled over.

 

[zorq]

I'd like to point out that the video makes it dubious as to whether the man was actually being pulled over.

At the very least It's clear he didn't think he was being pulled over.

There is no indication the police officer's lights or siren were active, the man pulls into the dealer's lot and immediately exits with a piece of paper in his hand. He is surprised to see the officer blocking his exit from the vehicle but when the officer steps aside he heads immediately to the front door of the dealership until the officer engages him in dialogue.

I think he had no clue that he was suspected of anything up until the point the officer grabbed his arm and threw him down on the hood of the car.

He does say the cop came up behind him with his lights flashing. That's generally a sign you're being pulled over.

Ah, I agree. That's usually the sign you are being pulled over in the US. To me, the old man still acted ignorant of the situation at hand in a way that doesn't seem decietful or oblivious.

 

[bleubird]

There are no lights flashing in the video.This dumb fuck cop needs to be prosecuted to the full extant of the law.
Nazi thug.

 

[Toni]

He does say the cop came up behind him with his lights flashing. That's generally a sign you're being pulled over.

Ah, I agree. That's usually the sign you are being pulled over in the US. To me, the old man still acted ignorant of the situation at hand in a way that doesn't seem decietful or oblivious.

Since that 'old man' was far more familiar with the actual law than the police officer, I think it is safe to say that it his only ignorance of the situation was in not realizing what an out of control thug was behind the wheel of that patrol car.

 

[dismal]

There are no lights flashing in the video.This dumb fuck cop needs to be prosecuted to the full extant of the law.
Nazi thug.

You're calling the old guy a liar?

 

[ZiprHead]

He may not have turned the lights on until he pulled behind the guy in the lot.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

He may not have turned the lights on until he pulled behind the guy in the lot.

Quit with the intelligent observations. Dismal clearly has his mind made up. Therefore no more information is needed.

 

[RavenSky]

Ah, I agree. That's usually the sign you are being pulled over in the US. To me, the old man still acted ignorant of the situation at hand in a way that doesn't seem decietful or oblivious.

Since that 'old man' was far more familiar with the actual law than the police officer, I think it is safe to say that it his only ignorance of the situation was in not realizing what an out of control thug was behind the wheel of that patrol car.

crjq. ^^^ that!

 

[dismal]

He may not have turned the lights on until he pulled behind the guy in the lot.

Quit with the intelligent observations. Dismal clearly has his mind made up. Therefore no more information is needed.

dismal is quoting that the old guy said.

Why is it so important for you to smear the old guy as a liar?

Do you think him lying about the lights being on justifies the officers actions?

 

[ZiprHead]

Since that 'old man' was far more familiar with the actual law than the police officer, I think it is safe to say that it his only ignorance of the situation was in not realizing what an out of control thug was behind the wheel of that patrol car.

crjq. ^^^ that!

CRJQ? Wut does that mean?

 

[RavenSky]

crjq. ^^^ that!

CRJQ? Wut does that mean?

"Can't rep, just quote"

 

[ZiprHead]

Quit with the intelligent observations. Dismal clearly has his mind made up. Therefore no more information is needed.

dismal is quoting that the old guy said.

Why is it so important for you to smear the old guy as a liar?

Do you think him lying about the lights being on justifies the officers actions?

You said "He does say the cop came up behind him with his lights flashing. That's generally a sign you're being pulled over."

That still could mean he mean he came up behind him in the lot with his lights flashing. Please stop posting pedantic boobery.

 

[ZiprHead]

"Can't rep, just quote"

Thank you. I'm going to remember that one.

 

[dismal]

Let's go back to where this arc started:

I'd like to point out that the video makes it dubious as to whether the man was actually being pulled over.

At the very least It's clear he didn't think he was being pulled over.

There is no indication the police officer's lights or siren were active, the man pulls into the dealer's lot and immediately exits with a piece of paper in his hand. He is surprised to see the officer blocking his exit from the vehicle but when the officer steps aside he heads immediately to the front door of the dealership until the officer engages him in dialogue.

I think he had no clue that he was suspected of anything up until the point the officer grabbed his arm and threw him down on the hood of the car.

Now, it seems reasonable and relevant (I.e., not pedantic boobery) to point out in response to this that the old guy said that the cop came up behind with his lights on.

The pedantic boobery starts to kick in when certain other posters can't handle this particular detail and lash out. We can see from the record who those others are.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Let's go back to where this arc started:

I'd like to point out that the video makes it dubious as to whether the man was actually being pulled over.

At the very least It's clear he didn't think he was being pulled over.

There is no indication the police officer's lights or siren were active, the man pulls into the dealer's lot and immediately exits with a piece of paper in his hand. He is surprised to see the officer blocking his exit from the vehicle but when the officer steps aside he heads immediately to the front door of the dealership until the officer engages him in dialogue.

I think he had no clue that he was suspected of anything up until the point the officer grabbed his arm and threw him down on the hood of the car.

Now, it seems reasonable and relevant (I.e., not pedantic boobery) to point out in response to this that the old guy said that the cop came up behind with his lights on.

The pedantic boobery starts to kick in when certain other posters can't handle this particular detail and lash out. We can see from the record who those others are.

No one is disputing what was said, only discussing what could have actually occurred. Speech is an actual event that occurs, and is distinct from other actual events, you know, the difference between what people say and what people do. Our laws are very big on that.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Let's go back to where this arc started:

I'd like to point out that the video makes it dubious as to whether the man was actually being pulled over...

Now, it seems reasonable and relevant (I.e., not pedantic boobery) to point out in response to this that the old guy said that the cop came up behind with his lights on.

So would you prefer 'dubious as to whether the guy realized he was being pulled over.' Because he wasn't acting like someone being pulled over.
He was aware of the cop and the lights but he may not have realized the cop was there for HIM. He was still intent on taking that paper into the dealership when the cop approached him. Not presenting license and registration and was taken by surprise by the cop grabbing at it.

 

[arkirk]

Let's go back to where this arc started:


Now, it seems reasonable and relevant (I.e., not pedantic boobery) to point out in response to this that the old guy said that the cop came up behind with his lights on.

So would you prefer 'dubious as to whether the guy realized he was being pulled over.' Because he wasn't acting like someone being pulled over.
He was aware of the cop and the lights but he may not have realized the cop was there for HIM. He was still intent on taking that paper into the dealership when the cop approached him. Not presenting license and registration and was taken by surprise by the cop grabbing at it.

From looking at this video it is obvious this matter could have been settled without the scuffle and without the tazer. Absolute obedience to cop orders is NOT PART OF OUR LAW, BUT IN THIS CASE, IT WAS a de facto requirement the cop fervently believed in...to the point of assaulting the old guy. I think the cop is an ass.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So would you prefer 'dubious as to whether the guy realized he was being pulled over.' Because he wasn't acting like someone being pulled over.
He was aware of the cop and the lights but he may not have realized the cop was there for HIM. He was still intent on taking that paper into the dealership when the cop approached him. Not presenting license and registration and was taken by surprise by the cop grabbing at it.

From looking at this video it is obvious this matter could have been settled without the scuffle and without the tazer. Absolute obedience to cop orders is NOT PART OF OUR LAW, BUT IN THIS CASE, IT WAS a de facto requirement the cop fervently believed in...to the point of assaulting the old guy. I think the cop is an ass.

What seems odd is that there are people who are having a hard time thinking that tazering a man who is in his 70s is almost in all situations, unnecessary.

 

[dismal]

Let's go back to where this arc started:


Now, it seems reasonable and relevant (I.e., not pedantic boobery) to point out in response to this that the old guy said that the cop came up behind with his lights on.

So would you prefer 'dubious as to whether the guy realized he was being pulled over.' Because he wasn't acting like someone being pulled over.
He was aware of the cop and the lights but he may not have realized the cop was there for HIM. He was still intent on taking that paper into the dealership when the cop approached him. Not presenting license and registration and was taken by surprise by the cop grabbing at it.

First let me point out that there were people here claiming the cops lights were not on. This is effectively calling the old guy a liar. Because the old guy said they were on.

For the record, he says:

Sergeant: What happened?

Vasquez: Nothing happened. I'm just driving down the business. ... He come behind me, put his damn lights on. He said you don't have a sticker, but I have a state license plate in there. It's supposed to be exempt.

Your position is that Vasquez was not aware the cop was pulling him over? If a cop pulled up behind you, turned his lights on, and followed behind you into a parking lot how would you interpret it?

 

[ksen]

Sounds like the old guy is saying that the lights were put on once the police car pulled in behind his already parked car.

Guys, we really need to get the timing of when the police lights were on because that's the important part of the story.

We can do it!!