Male patients asked if they are pregnant at NHS Trust

[laughing dog]

I guarantee you, you are causing discomfort and embarrassment to the nurses forced to ask 70 year old male patients if they are or could be pregnant.

Your guarantee is worthless because you are not in any position to know what the nurses will feel.

But I know you don't care about any feelings that are retrograde to the desires of the gender cultists.

You should stop telling people about their feelings because you are absolutely terrible at it.

I think this policy is a bit silly, but it is no reason to have a meltdown over.

 

[Toni]

Asking a question whose answer seems obvious takes up a trivial amount of time, particularly when one considers the potential for grave harm if what seems obvious is in fact incorrect.

I gave you the reasons why the change in policy is a bad one. The previous policy made sense. It just did not cater to the gender madness of the cultists, and because many of the NHS trusts have been institutionally captured by said cultists, everybody's time and sanity has to be spent catering to them.

I guarantee you, you are causing discomfort and embarrassment to the nurses forced to ask 70 year old male patients if they are or could be pregnant. But I know you don't care about any feelings that are retrograde to the desires of the gender cultists.

Nurses are not easily embarrassed.

Why would a nurse ask a 70 year old man if he could be pregnant if they don’t ask 60 year old women if they could be pregnant?

BTW, it is possible that a 60 YO woman is pregnant. The oldest recorded woman to give birth that I found was 77. The oldest who gave birth through a natural conception/pregnancy was 67.

10 Oldest Women with Natural Pregnancies - Oldest.org

Discover the 10 Oldest Women with Natural Pregnancies here. Prepare to be transported into a rich & fascinating history on the oldest pregnancies that exist.

www.oldest.org

 

[Metaphor]

I guarantee you, you are causing discomfort and embarrassment to the nurses forced to ask 70 year old male patients if they are or could be pregnant.

Your guarantee is worthless because you are not in any position to know what the nurses will feel.

I've already seen nurses talk about it.

But I know you don't care about any feelings that are retrograde to the desires of the gender cultists.

You should stop telling people about their feelings because you are absolutely terrible at it.

I think this policy is a bit silly, but it is no reason to have a meltdown over.

I wonder how little drama there must be in some people's lives to imagine making a post on a message board is a 'meltdown'.

 

[Metaphor]

Asking a question whose answer seems obvious takes up a trivial amount of time, particularly when one considers the potential for grave harm if what seems obvious is in fact incorrect.

I gave you the reasons why the change in policy is a bad one. The previous policy made sense. It just did not cater to the gender madness of the cultists, and because many of the NHS trusts have been institutionally captured by said cultists, everybody's time and sanity has to be spent catering to them.

I guarantee you, you are causing discomfort and embarrassment to the nurses forced to ask 70 year old male patients if they are or could be pregnant. But I know you don't care about any feelings that are retrograde to the desires of the gender cultists.

Nurses are not easily embarrassed.

Why would a nurse ask a 70 year old man if he could be pregnant if they don’t ask 60 year old women if they could be pregnant?

The age is immaterial, though presumably there is little confusion about the age of a patient, which can also be readily determined when printed on a wrist band.

Like sex, date of birth is a fixed event that cannot change.

Let's change the scenario to a 50 year old man. Asking a 50 year old man if he could be pregnant could be interpreted as insulting or bewildering. Men could take it to mean they have been mistaken for the female sex, or the nurse has her head in the clouds and not on her job.

BTW, it is possible that a 60 YO woman is pregnant. The oldest recorded woman to give birth that I found was 77. The oldest who gave birth through a natural conception/pregnancy was 67.

10 Oldest Women with Natural Pregnancies - Oldest.org

Discover the 10 Oldest Women with Natural Pregnancies here. Prepare to be transported into a rich & fascinating history on the oldest pregnancies that exist.

www.oldest.org

Then change the guidelines to 'females of any age' (possibly restrict it to females aged 9 or older - it could again be bewildering, confusing, and distasteful for a 6 year old girl to be asked, or her parents to be asked, if she is pregnant).

 

[Toni]

He was famous for being 'the pregnant man.' Here's where Thomas Beatie is now

His pregnancy was a media sensation in 2008. Today, Beatie lives a relatively quiet life with his wife and children, working as a stockbroker in Phoenix.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[laughing dog]

I guarantee you, you are causing discomfort and embarrassment to the nurses forced to ask 70 year old male patients if they are or could be pregnant.

Your guarantee is worthless because you are not in any position to know what the nurses will feel.

I've already seen nurses talk about it

So, you generalize about an entire profession?

But I know you don't care about any feelings that are retrograde to the desires of the gender cultists.

You should stop telling people about their feelings because you are absolutely terrible at it.

I think this policy is a bit silly, but it is no reason to have a meltdown over.

I wonder how little drama there must be in some people's lives to imagine making a post on a message board is a 'meltdown'.

Sure Jan. I often wonder how little must be going on in some people's lives to imagine such minor issues must be "discussed" using hysterical rhetoric.

 

[Rhea]

it could again be bewildering, confusing, and distasteful for a 6 year old girl to be asked, or her parents to be asked, if she is pregnant).

As someone who has been a 6 year old girl, and who has taken a six year old girl to x-rays, it is totally not.

Where did you get your information?

You are not accurately speaking for 6 year old girls, or their parents.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I guarantee you, you are causing discomfort and embarrassment to the nurses forced to ask 70 year old male patients if they are or could be pregnant.

Your guarantee is worthless because you are not in any position to know what the nurses will feel.

I've already seen nurses talk about it.

You've seen nurses in Australia talking about form logistics in hospitals in England?

 

[Patooka]

I'm still amazed by the stupidity of the OP that we're supposed to be outraged that nurses in the UK aren't making assumptions about their patients. Like that's a bad attitude to have in analytical medicine apparently.

 

[Metaphor]

I guarantee you, you are causing discomfort and embarrassment to the nurses forced to ask 70 year old male patients if they are or could be pregnant.

Your guarantee is worthless because you are not in any position to know what the nurses will feel.

I've already seen nurses talk about it

So, you generalize about an entire profession?

No. I said I guarantee nurses are feeling discomfort and embarrassment. They are. "Nurses" does not mean every nurse who has ever existed, just as when I say "men are taller than women" I do not mean "every man who has ever lived is taller than every woman who has ever lived".

But I know you don't care about any feelings that are retrograde to the desires of the gender cultists.

You should stop telling people about their feelings because you are absolutely terrible at it.

I think this policy is a bit silly, but it is no reason to have a meltdown over.

I wonder how little drama there must be in some people's lives to imagine making a post on a message board is a 'meltdown'.

Sure Jan. I often wonder how little must be going on in some people's lives to imagine such minor issues must be "discussed" using hysterical rhetoric.

Yes, you've made your personal preferences clear.

 

[Metaphor]

I'm still amazed by the stupidity of the OP that we're supposed to be outraged that nurses in the UK aren't making assumptions about their patients. Like that's a bad attitude to have in analytical medicine apparently.

You didn't read the OP or the link, did you?

 

[Metaphor]

I guarantee you, you are causing discomfort and embarrassment to the nurses forced to ask 70 year old male patients if they are or could be pregnant.

Your guarantee is worthless because you are not in any position to know what the nurses will feel.

I've already seen nurses talk about it.

You've seen nurses in Australia talking about form logistics in hospitals in England?

No.

First, you didn't read the OP, did you? This is not about questions on a form.

Second, there is something that grew to prominence in the 1990s called the internet, and it allows people who do not live near each other to communicate at nearly the speed of light!

 

[Metaphor]

it could again be bewildering, confusing, and distasteful for a 6 year old girl to be asked, or her parents to be asked, if she is pregnant).

As someone who has been a 6 year old girl, and who has taken a six year old girl to x-rays, it is totally not.

Where did you get your information?

I was never a six year old girl, that's true, and if you personally did not mind that a tech asked if the six year old was pregnant, more power to you.

I would find it weird and offputting myself. I will ask the parents of some young girls this weekend to see what they say, so I can gain a wider perspective.

 

[laughing dog]

I guarantee you, you are causing discomfort and embarrassment to the nurses forced to ask 70 year old male patients if they are or could be pregnant.

Your guarantee is worthless because you are not in any position to know what the nurses will feel.

I've already seen nurses talk about it

So, you generalize about an entire profession?

No. I said I guarantee nurses are feeling discomfort and embarrassment. They are. "Nurses" does not mean every nurse who has ever existed, just as when I say "men are taller than women" I do not mean "every man who has ever lived is taller than every woman who has ever lived".

If you were not talking about all nurses or the actual nurses who worked at that UK health trust, then your "guarantee" was truly worthless.

 

[Metaphor]

I guarantee you, you are causing discomfort and embarrassment to the nurses forced to ask 70 year old male patients if they are or could be pregnant.

Your guarantee is worthless because you are not in any position to know what the nurses will feel.

I've already seen nurses talk about it

So, you generalize about an entire profession?

No. I said I guarantee nurses are feeling discomfort and embarrassment. They are. "Nurses" does not mean every nurse who has ever existed, just as when I say "men are taller than women" I do not mean "every man who has ever lived is taller than every woman who has ever lived".

If you were not talking about all nurses or the actual nurses who worked at that UK health trust, then your "guarantee" was truly worthless.

I was talking about at least one nurse who worked at the trust and wrote about it.

But also some human beings have developed something called 'empathy', and they can imagine themselves in another's position, and they can imagine what it would feel like.

 

[Patooka]

I'm still amazed by the stupidity of the OP that we're supposed to be outraged that nurses in the UK aren't making assumptions about their patients. Like that's a bad attitude to have in analytical medicine apparently.

You didn't read the OP or the link, did you?

I wasn't commenting on the link. I was commenting on your thread title and your comments in your original post. Thanks for admitting that you knowingly misrepresented the link you provided though. If you wonder why people deride your quixotic crusade for transphobia thinly wrapped in infantile semantics, this is why.

 

[Toni]

I guarantee you, you are causing discomfort and embarrassment to the nurses forced to ask 70 year old male patients if they are or could be pregnant.

Your guarantee is worthless because you are not in any position to know what the nurses will feel.

I've already seen nurses talk about it

So, you generalize about an entire profession?

No. I said I guarantee nurses are feeling discomfort and embarrassment. They are. "Nurses" does not mean every nurse who has ever existed, just as when I say "men are taller than women" I do not mean "every man who has ever lived is taller than every woman who has ever lived".

If you were not talking about all nurses or the actual nurses who worked at that UK health trust, then your "guarantee" was truly worthless.

I was talking about at least one nurse who worked at the trust and wrote about it.

But also some human beings have developed something called 'empathy', and they can imagine themselves in another's position, and they can imagine what it would feel like.

I know a lot of nurses. Indeed, I have tremendous empathy for the many indignities, frustrations, hard work, lack of respect, grueling hours and too often disrespect they must endure on a daily basis—often from
physicians, hospital administrators, and occasionally from patients and their families. Like most people, they do not enjoy extra paperwork and endless forms. Yet they also can point to cases where something very unusual and quite unexpected with regards to a patient’s apparent condition happened. Forms, stand procedures and checklists help medical professionals ensure that they are not overlooking important detains which might not be obvious or readily apparent.

Perhaps Great Britain is different than the US but here, forms and standard questions are developed in response to actual needs and events however unusual they might be.

 

[Metaphor]

I guarantee you, you are causing discomfort and embarrassment to the nurses forced to ask 70 year old male patients if they are or could be pregnant.

Your guarantee is worthless because you are not in any position to know what the nurses will feel.

I've already seen nurses talk about it

So, you generalize about an entire profession?

No. I said I guarantee nurses are feeling discomfort and embarrassment. They are. "Nurses" does not mean every nurse who has ever existed, just as when I say "men are taller than women" I do not mean "every man who has ever lived is taller than every woman who has ever lived".

If you were not talking about all nurses or the actual nurses who worked at that UK health trust, then your "guarantee" was truly worthless.

I was talking about at least one nurse who worked at the trust and wrote about it.

But also some human beings have developed something called 'empathy', and they can imagine themselves in another's position, and they can imagine what it would feel like.

I know a lot of nurses. Indeed, I have tremendous empathy for the many indignities, frustrations, hard work, lack of respect, grueling hours and too often disrespect they must endure on a daily basis—often from
physicians, hospital administrators, and occasionally from patients and their families. Like most people, they do not enjoy extra paperwork and endless forms. Yet they also can point to cases where something very unusual and quite unexpected with regards to a patient’s apparent condition happened. Forms, stand procedures and checklists help medical professionals ensure that they are not overlooking important detains which might not be obvious or readily apparent.

Perhaps Great Britain is different than the US but here, forms and standard questions are developed in response to actual needs and events however unusual they might be.

Good grief.

I did not suggest getting rid of standard questions and forms.

 

[Metaphor]

I'm still amazed by the stupidity of the OP that we're supposed to be outraged that nurses in the UK aren't making assumptions about their patients. Like that's a bad attitude to have in analytical medicine apparently.

You didn't read the OP or the link, did you?

I wasn't commenting on the link. I was commenting on your thread title and your comments in your original post.

You don't have to feel outraged. I am not asking you to feel any specific way.

There is nothing deceptive in my threat title or comments or OP, and if you think there is, point it out. Be specific.

Thanks for admitting that you knowingly misrepresented the link you provided though.

How did I misrepresent the link? Be specific. Back up your claim.

If you wonder why people deride your quixotic crusade for transphobia thinly wrapped in infantile semantics, this is why.

How did I misrepresent the link? Be specific. Back up your claim.

 

[Toni]

I guarantee you, you are causing discomfort and embarrassment to the nurses forced to ask 70 year old male patients if they are or could be pregnant.

Your guarantee is worthless because you are not in any position to know what the nurses will feel.

I've already seen nurses talk about it

So, you generalize about an entire profession?

No. I said I guarantee nurses are feeling discomfort and embarrassment. They are. "Nurses" does not mean every nurse who has ever existed, just as when I say "men are taller than women" I do not mean "every man who has ever lived is taller than every woman who has ever lived".

If you were not talking about all nurses or the actual nurses who worked at that UK health trust, then your "guarantee" was truly worthless.

I was talking about at least one nurse who worked at the trust and wrote about it.

But also some human beings have developed something called 'empathy', and they can imagine themselves in another's position, and they can imagine what it would feel like.

I know a lot of nurses. Indeed, I have tremendous empathy for the many indignities, frustrations, hard work, lack of respect, grueling hours and too often disrespect they must endure on a daily basis—often from
physicians, hospital administrators, and occasionally from patients and their families. Like most people, they do not enjoy extra paperwork and endless forms. Yet they also can point to cases where something very unusual and quite unexpected with regards to a patient’s apparent condition happened. Forms, stand procedures and checklists help medical professionals ensure that they are not overlooking important detains which might not be obvious or readily apparent.

Perhaps Great Britain is different than the US but here, forms and standard questions are developed in response to actual needs and events however unusual they might be.

Good grief.

I did not suggest getting rid of standard questions and forms.

Yes, you are. You are protesting this additional question which has now become standard.