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Covid-19 miscellany

If Reagan could fire the Air Traffic Controllers, Biden can indicate vaccination is required in the military (as it already bloody is).

When did people think soldiers in the military were given "options"? You can order them to fight to their death, but not get immunized?! Or can you not order soldiers to fight?
 
I can't get over the idea that the same people what fought women and gays in combat for 'unit cohesiveness' think that you can have a plague rat in tight-knit, close quartered, deployed units in tight corners and their faith will prevent them from being a windo of opportunity for disease.
 
A look at the much-vaunted Swedish handling of the pandemic:

www.nature.com

Evaluation of science advice during the COVID-19 pandemic in Sweden - Humanities and Social Sciences Communications

Sweden was well equipped to prevent the pandemic of COVID-19 from becoming serious. Over 280 years of collaboration between political bodies, authorities, and the scientific community had yielded many successes in preventive medicine. Sweden’s population is literate and has a high level of trust...
www.nature.com www.nature.com

They got the expected results: Horrible.

And a bunch of supposed vaccine adverse events aren't:

www.medpagetoday.com

Bell's Palsy, Other Rare Events Not Linked With COVID-19 Vaccines

Immune-mediated neurologic events increased after COVID infection, but not after vaccination
www.medpagetoday.com www.medpagetoday.com
 
ZiprHead said:
www.thedailybeast.com

People’s Convoy Gives Up After Accomplishing Nothing in D.C.

After creating a mini-city in Hagerstown, the trucker convoy will pack it up and leave town in the coming days.
www.thedailybeast.com
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[Co-organizer Mike Landis] pledged to “come back to finish this job” in the metro area at some unspecified time, which seems highly unlikely as their crowd dwindles.
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What, are there still commuters that haven't had a chance to flip them off? Or slow down in front of them? Or are they waiting to buy gas at Summer prices and finish off their life savings?

Jesus what idiocy. AND the fuckers don't know how to hang the flag they pretend to cherish.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
ZiprHead said:
www.thedailybeast.com

People’s Convoy Gives Up After Accomplishing Nothing in D.C.

After creating a mini-city in Hagerstown, the trucker convoy will pack it up and leave town in the coming days.
www.thedailybeast.com

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Nothing? They showed they were idiots. That's something.
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Reminds me of a Carlin routine. About Catholics counting the decision to commit the sin as anoyher sin?

I knew it was idiotic to drive on thei Beltway for three weeks in protest.
I knew it was idiotic to do it for two weeks.
I knew it was idiotic for one week.
I knew it was idiotic the first day.
I knew it was idiotic as you drove across the country to go do it.
If all you accomplished was proving y'all were idiots, you could have just announced your plan, gotten buy in from Ted Cruz, and stayed at home! You'd have looked just as stupid, but saved yourselves gas money!
 
This is a very interesting twitter multi part post that no one will expect to be linked by me:



about microclots in covid
 
Found out interesting information today. My wife is immune compromised according to her Doctor and even just what her meds say. She wanted to know if she qualifies as immune compromised for Covid vaccines. We were really frustrated that the CDC has been terrible at putting out a serious list and specific guidance on what it the CDC regards as immune compromised.

Our pharmacist told me that the CDC has not provided health care providers any specific guidance except that it's very loose. Any somewhat compromised condition that makes sense counts. He remembers my wife is on high blood pressure meds and that can reduce immune effectiveness. Good enough for him.

My wife can get her 3rd full dose (not the half-dose booster) any time now.

I got my second booster while I was there.
 
I think it goes both ways. If CDC is overly specific on what is immunocompromise, that puts doctors in a box. They know what is and isn't allowed, but could have patients they feel should qualify, but good luck getting that changed. CDC guidelines being lax provides doctors less guidance, which they really do actually want, but provides them with the ability to use their considerable knowledge to make a call. With the vaccine really showing virtually no bad side effects, the pro-con is a bit easier.

If the vaccine had complications, I think the CDC would be more proactive in listing what constituted as qualifying for immunocompromised.
 
Anti vax bully gets bullied by covid
According to this obituary, Wally died on Febuary 3rd, 2022, and according to his GoFundMe the cause was COVID. Now, what's left of Wally's Facebook is simply a bunch of "I trust my immune system" and "I don't care if you're vaccinated" profile frames. Normally, I only post people with these limited anti-vaxx posts who also happen to be Healthcare Professionals. However, someone who knows Wally very well sent me this message and it's the best submission I've gotten. I removed some passages that might have identified this person, but what's left is enough to get the picture:

"This man lived in Bernardsville, NJ his entire life, he bullied the free Covid vaccine clinic in Bernardsville by driving his pickup truck and screaming at anyone who tried to get a vaccine. Wally Harms , the anti-vax menace about town who acted like he was the Mayor (worth noting, this town is right next to Trump Nat'l Golf club in Bedminster, NJ, and Wally was the Pro-Trumo anti-vax poster child. I checked his many obituaries and NONE of them mentioned his cause of death. The final sentence of his obituary says " He will be missed by so many, but the deer and turkey of western NJ can sleep with both eyes closed tonight." You cannot make this stuff up. the reason I am submitting this is because Wally spent the entirety of covid defying any mask , vaccine, social distancing mandates and threatened Bernards High School if they enforced mask wearing upon his children. The reason I am submitting this isnt because Wally relentlessly tortured others from the time he was in grade school, myself included, my reasoning is because I want something GOOD to come out of his death... in addition to the great news that this rabid antivaxxer can scream and bully no more. I can tell my 5 - 17 year old self that I finally stood up to the kid who bullied me for 12 years."
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Jimmy Higgins said:
I think it goes both ways. If CDC is overly specific on what is immunocompromise, that puts doctors in a box. They know what is and isn't allowed, but could have patients they feel should qualify, but good luck getting that changed. CDC guidelines being lax provides doctors less guidance, which they really do actually want, but provides them with the ability to use their considerable knowledge to make a call. With the vaccine really showing virtually no bad side effects, the pro-con is a bit easier.

If the vaccine had complications, I think the CDC would be more proactive in listing what constituted as qualifying for immunocompromised.
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Makes sense but the CDC could say check with your doctor or pharmasist whether your condition qualifies" instead of only providing extreme examples like transplant or cancer patient.
 
America's coronavirus tsar, Dr. Anthony Fauci, silenced any discussion about COVID being caused by a lab leak - and not through animal-to-human transmission - after helping a controversial scientist get millions in federal funding to study bats, a Vanity Fair investigation has revealed. Analyzing more than 100,000 leaked documents, the magazine claimed that Fauci's approval of Peter Daszak helped his nonprofit, EcoHealth Alliance, an organization dedicated to shielding society from emerging infectious diseases, to develop the COVID-19 virus in a laboratory in China. They also claim researchers associated with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, including Daszak, tried to hide evidence about the pandemic’s early spread as lab leak hypotheses began to emerge.
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Daily Mail

All very shifty.
 
TomC said:
TSwizzle said:
All very shifty.
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As opposed to what?

President Trump claiming that C19 is no worse than a cold and the country will be open again in time for Easter shopping?
Tom
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The fact that literally millions of Americans, (including major media outlets) and billions of people worldwide, have been discussing the highly implausible and evidence-free speculation that COVID originated in a laboratory, stands as an instant disproof of any claim that any individual has silenced such discussions - a feat that would certainly be beyond the powers of any person.

To claim that such discussions have been silenced in an article discussing the topic in a widely read publication is totally insane; To believe that self-refuting claim is even worse.

Of course, you haven't been allowed to read this post, and I haven't been allowed to write it, because TSwizzle has silenced any discussion of the hypothesis that Vanity Fair and the Daily Mail might be full of shit.

How incredibly shifty it was of him to do that. :rolleyes:
 
Why is so much of this covid policy and science being looked at through the lens of trying to point out hypocrisy and inconsistencies?

I am NOT innocent of this myself, so I am not trying to say I have any high ground.
 
bilby said:
TomC said:
TSwizzle said:
All very shifty.
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As opposed to what?

President Trump claiming that C19 is no worse than a cold and the country will be open again in time for Easter shopping?
Tom
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The fact that literally millions of Americans, (including major media outlets) and billions of people worldwide, have been discussing the highly implausible and evidence-free speculation that COVID originated in a laboratory, stands as an instant disproof of any claim that any individual has silenced such discussions - a feat that would certainly be beyond the powers of any person.

To claim that such discussions have been silenced in an article discussing the topic in a widely read publication is totally insane; To believe that self-refuting claim is even worse.

Of course, you haven't been allowed to read this post, and I haven't been allowed to write it, because TSwizzle has silenced any discussion of the hypothesis that Vanity Fair and the Daily Mail might be full of shit.

How incredibly shifty it was of him to do that. :rolleyes:
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There is a one hundred percent certainty that Bilby read the entire article with an open mind.
 
repoman said:
bilby said:
TomC said:
TSwizzle said:
All very shifty.
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As opposed to what?

President Trump claiming that C19 is no worse than a cold and the country will be open again in time for Easter shopping?
Tom
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The fact that literally millions of Americans, (including major media outlets) and billions of people worldwide, have been discussing the highly implausible and evidence-free speculation that COVID originated in a laboratory, stands as an instant disproof of any claim that any individual has silenced such discussions - a feat that would certainly be beyond the powers of any person.

To claim that such discussions have been silenced in an article discussing the topic in a widely read publication is totally insane; To believe that self-refuting claim is even worse.

Of course, you haven't been allowed to read this post, and I haven't been allowed to write it, because TSwizzle has silenced any discussion of the hypothesis that Vanity Fair and the Daily Mail might be full of shit.

How incredibly shifty it was of him to do that. :rolleyes:
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There is a one hundred percent certainty that Bilby read the entire article with an open mind.
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The content of the article, and the openness of my mind, are completely irrelevant to my point, which is that the very existence of tne article disproves the claim that Fauci has "silenced any discussion" of the subject.

They are discussing it. WE are discussing it. NOBODY has silenced them, us, or anyone.
 
repoman said:
Why is so much of this covid policy and science being looked at through the lens of trying to point out hypocrisy and inconsistencies?
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Probably because of Trump taking the lead in hypocrisy from tge very start? Or even BEFORE the start, closing the office created to deal with outbreaks for petulant reasons?
Hypocrisy that continues as people try to justify Trump's response, demonize Biden's, or make money from fleecing the credible anti-vax crowd.




Just a thought....
 
TSwizzle said:
America's coronavirus tsar, Dr. Anthony Fauci, silenced any discussion about COVID being caused by a lab leak - and not through animal-to-human transmission - after helping a controversial scientist get millions in federal funding to study bats, a Vanity Fair investigation has revealed. Analyzing more than 100,000 leaked documents, the magazine claimed that Fauci's approval of Peter Daszak helped his nonprofit, EcoHealth Alliance, an organization dedicated to shielding society from emerging infectious diseases, to develop the COVID-19 virus in a laboratory in China. They also claim researchers associated with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, including Daszak, tried to hide evidence about the pandemic’s early spread as lab leak hypotheses began to emerge.
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Daily Mail

All very shifty.
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An interesting context to this emotional outrage porn post of TSwizzle is that the source of the information that causes TSwizzle to think something is “very shifty,” is, in fact, Very Shifty.

Let’s dig into what this means for the discussion.

We can all see that TSwizzle uses the Daily Mail exclusively to report all of the context for his opinions. He relies on and exclusively uses as support a news site that is deemed shifty.

How Factual Is the Daily Mail?​

Over a dataset of 1,000 articles, the Daily Mail scored an average Factual Grade of 39.7%. This is well below the average of 61.9% for all 240 news sources that we analyzed. This places Daily Mail in the 1st percentile of our dataset — it scored the third-lowest of any news source.
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For example, the Daily Mail links to itself as support for itself.

How Opinionated Is the Daily Mail?​

the algorithm looks for signs of subjective commentary (e.g., first person pronouns, unnecessary adverbs), as well as the emotional nature of selected words, and sees how prevalent they are for a given length of text. Text which is less opinionated gets higher ratings, with “0” being the most opinionated and “1” being the most neutral.

The Daily Mail had an average Writing Tone score of 0.38, placing it in the 18th percentile in our dataset. This suggests that articles from Daily Mail are often highly opinionated. This compares to an average Writing Tone score of 0.54 for all 240 news sources.
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So adding emotion and trying to manipulate their audience.

And while “Bias” is not a show-stopper, the Daily Mail has a special place in extremism that demonstrates its use of bias to feed emotional acceptance of falshoods, or perhaps uses emotional acceptance of falsehoods to feed its bias.

What Is the Daily Mail’s Political Bias?​

The Factual classifies news sites by political bias, as either Left, Moderate Left, Center, Moderate Right, or Right. This classification pulls from third-party assessments from media bias organizations such as AllSides and Media Bias/Fact Check. Based on this data, The Factual assigns Daily Mail a “Right” bias.

An August 2021 review by an AllSides editor found the site to be “sensationalist, tabloid bent, often choosing to highlight individual stories that elicit shock or heightened emotions.”

Some supplemental headlines Media Bias/Fact Check(MBFC) provides, such as “Woman, 63, ‘becomes PREGNANT in the mouth’ with baby squid after eating calamari,” reveals the often sensationalist and emotionally loaded wording in a misleading headline.
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At any rate what this sourse says about the information that it delivers is that
  1. It’s likely not true
  2. What is true is distorted by adding false emotion and misleading discription such that the truth is no longer detectable, and
  3. It has an agenda to move the discussion window away from discovery of factual or reasonable understanding.
Now, the next question would be, “Why does TSwizzle use this source exclusively to contribute to discussions?“. That may be difficult to discern.
  • Is it because TSwizzle is unaware of the unreliability of this source? Does he read it and really embrace and believe its content, such as the 63 year old woman becoming pregnant in the mouth with baby squid after eating calamari?
  • Is it because TSwizzle has seen that people find this source to be detrimental to meaningful discussion and he likes the idea of attacking and destroying the quality of a discussion? Sort of a deliberate and gleeful vandal?
  • Is it because TSwizzle is unaware of other sources of news that can provide a more reliable view of a topic? A parochial bubble that makes him think the whole world is like the Daily Mail?
  • Is TSwizzle capable of discerning truth from agitprop? Does he accept anything he hears from any source at all and churn in an ever-changing landscape of uncertainty?

One can’t say. All one knows is that TSwizzle exclusive uses this unreliable media source to support his arguments for things that he then labels “Very Shifty.”

And at that point, TSwizzle‘s arguments at all times sort of become The Daily Mail, like a pop-up advertisement for Increasing Your Manhood! that you can‘t close.
 
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