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Derec said:
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Derec seems to be like that guy.
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You don't know me. But let the record reflect that all you have are personal attacks.

but goes home with the exact opposite type of guy. Someone who is secure in his masculinity and treats her with respect.
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You really see yourself as very superior, don't you? You look down your nose on anybody who would pay for a lap dance? Or even pay a sex worker for sex?

And what does any of this have to do with you and others white-knighting Kamala Harris?
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It makes me uncomfortable to see a discussion turn so personal, but you do admit to these kinds of relationships with women. What bothers me more is the way you clearly look down on Harris for having exactly the kind of relationship with a man that you have with women, but don't look down on yourself for having. And, having bothered to read about the details of her relationship a while back, when the story was quite a bit less stale, I learned that she was in a fairly normal romantic relationship with the man rather than just a transactional one. Neither Harris nor Brown ever tried to make a secret of their relationship or cover it up from the press. Describing her as some kind of slut or gold digger for openly having a relationship of that sort is reprehensible.

Fact check: Kamala Harris and Willie Brown had a relationship over a decade after he separated from wife
 
Derec said:
Elixir said:
Like most Complaint Culture items, this just has the ingredients. Black female poses a thread to blue eyed right wing idol,
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This is a testament to you being blinded by identity politics.
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BWAHAHA!!
Project, much?
Tell me about it when you can point to a black woman worthy of your praise.
@Ford truly pegged you.
Pitiful.

Derec said:
You do not even see KH as an individual.
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WTF is that supposed to mean? I see her as unique, but you just see a female who has power over you and is the wrong color.

Derec said:
You only see her as a "black female".
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Sheer projection! I liked her before I even found out she was “black” (which I still can’t see her as) when she was embarrassing the shit ou of your RW scumbags in Senate by forcing the truth on them.

Derec said:
Hell, you even erase half her heritage (she is half Indian).
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You are so hung up on people not sharing your racial heritage - it must be hell.

The rest of your unhinged imaginary complaint reflects a mysogynist individual in dire need of help. And not the sort you can purchase on a street corner.
 
Their man is now busy hammering the judge's daughter in his next case. What kind of man goes after the daughter of his perceived enemy? The MAGAts don't see anything wrong with that? An ex-President, with the ears of millions of rabid followers, going after the judge's daughter?
Further, what level of stupidity have you reached when you attack the family of the man who will make rulings on your case? (I really think T is trying to provoke the judge into making a disqualifying statement, in which case the sweetest revenge would be to have the judge calmly extend the gag order to protect his family, and deny Trump any delay from his boorish and really horrifying behavior.)
Yes, MAGAts, this is the man who told you he would be "more Presidential than any President since Lincoln."
We're living in Bizarro America.
 
Derec said:
ZiprHead said:
Really? Is anything I said untrue?
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Whether or not they are true (some of your personal attacks are at most half-true, and some are outright false) attacking somebody personally is bad form.
You should stick to issues.
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I believe I am sticking to the issue. Is not the motivation for an opinion part of an issue? Would it be wrong to bring up a Christian's faith motivation while discussing their anti-abortion stance?
 
laughing dog said:
Certainly not the behavior of the typical innocent person.
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Trumpsuckers don’t seem to understand that an innocent person would be trying like hell to get to trial and prove his innocence, before all the haters have a chance to vote against him.
Trump is guilty as hell and confirms that fact every day with his words and behavior.
 
Derec said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Women are often attracted to men of power. That doesn't show misdeeds.
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When the woman is ambitious herself, and the "man of power" helps her in those ambitions, I think it is likely she started the relationship for that reason, and not out of genuine attraction.
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And if she did, so what?

And note that simply associating with someone of power can get your foot in the door even with no specific help being provided.

Derec said:
A sufficiently terrifying experience when a person is unable to act to protect themselves can trigger PTSD even with no actual harm done. And I think "victim" is a proper term for someone who has been through that, whether or not it actually causes PTSD.
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I still that is an overly broad definition. In any case, MTG did not just randomly confront somebody from that school, but an activist who actually travelled to the Capitol as part of that activism. Therefore, Ford's statement was misleading at best.
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What's misleading about it? Does it not occur to you that someone might become an activist because they were a victim and wish to avoid others suffering the same fate?
 
Elixir said:
BWAHAHA!!
Project, much?
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No. I was talking about KH as an individual, but your ilk just wants to talk about her as a "woman of color". Which is identity politics.

Tell me about it when you can point to a black woman worthy of your praise.
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This is the politics forum. I can't point to any politician I have exactly praised - they are all flawed, no matter the genitals or the hue.

That said, I wanted to like KH. She has a lot of good qualities. But she made some boneheaded moves during 2019.
I think with better judgment and better people in her campaign she could have become the 46th POTUS.



WTF is that supposed to mean? I see her as unique, but you just see a female who has power over you and is the wrong color.
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Bullshit. I have talked about her behavior, not about her race and gender. It is my detractors, including you, who focus on her race and gender.

Sheer projection! I liked her before I even found out she was “black” (which I still can’t see her as) when she was embarrassing the shit ou of your RW scumbags in Senate by forcing the truth on them.
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I agree with you on one thing. She is of mixed racial heritage and just calling her black is erasing half of it.
However, no "RW scumbags" (whomever you mean) in the Senate are "mine".

You are so hung up on people not sharing your racial heritage - it must be hell.
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BS. I did not bring up her race at all. When I mentioned it, it was in response to others. And above you even agreed with this, and now you attack me for writing it. You just want to attack me, no matter what!

The rest of your unhinged imaginary complaint reflects a mysogynist individual in dire need of help. And not the sort you can purchase on a street corner.
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Ooh. Another personal attack.
Nothing "misogynist" with pointing out her quid pro quo.
Let's review why I even mentioned Kamala Harris in this thread. It was in response to Ford's crude references to Boebert's handjob. [removed]
 
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laughing dog said:
ideologyhunter said:
Their man is now busy hammering the judge's daughter in his next case. What kind of man goes after the daughter of his perceived enemy?
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Certainly not the behavior of the typical innocent person.
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Now, any punishment from the judge can be declared a personal vendetta against him and obviously the judge is biased now.
 
Ford said:
Rhea said:
Derec your comments about women and Harris in particular are disgusting.
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And for the record, I have a BMW. If you shop around and get a gently used one, you can drive a Beemer for the same or less than what some other "economy" cars are going for nowadays. I guess in Derec's mind I must have fucked someone to get mine.
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My understanding is that while you can get them pretty cheap you'll pay a lot more in maintenance.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
And if she did, so what?
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Quid pro quos are fine as long as it's Democrats?

And note that simply associating with someone of power can get your foot in the door even with no specific help being provided.
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Again, Brown appointed his sexual partner to two state boards. I do not think that's right.

What's misleading about it? Does it not occur to you that someone might become an activist because they were a victim and wish to avoid others suffering the same fate?
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The point is that he was confronted by MTG because of his activism. After all, she did not go to his place of work, he went to the Capitol to advocate for stricter gun control. Ford referring to him as a "victim" omitting salient content is misleading.
 
Derec said:
This is a testament to you me being blinded by identity politics.
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FIFY. I mean, come on, Derec, the pattern is very clear here.

There are white men who raped women or murdered Black people and you get offended when someone says they did it because their court conviction hadn't happened yet. They have to be called a suspect. You would only accept it if they were convicted but then still complain about it for arbitrary reasons. But here we have an individual never charged with anything, a Black woman, and you're saying "If it walks like a duck...." just throwing every defense and moral high ground out the window you previously held. It isn't the first time you did that either.

If I could get past the obvious obnoxiousness of this kind of obsessively divergent demand and all the ensuing drama, I'd admit, hey you know, it does look suspicious but she's never been charged with anything so... Yet, your striking logical inconsistencies make this immediately about your striking logical inconsistencies. And your complaining about the identity politics of others makes your posts deserve the Every Accusation is a Projection thread. So, here we are.
 
Copernicus said:
It makes me uncomfortable to see a discussion turn so personal, but you do admit to these kinds of relationships with women.
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That does not mean I deserve to be attacked personally.
What bothers me more is the way you clearly look down on Harris for having exactly the kind of relationship with a man that you have with women, but don't look down on yourself for having.
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No, I do not look down on Harris for being a sugar baby, but that political appointments of sexual partners are inappropriate. What is the difference between Brown selling positions on state boards for a sexual relationship and Blago selling Senate appointment for cash, except the level of the position? It is one thing to use resources that belong to you vs. resources you have a responsibility to the public for. To use another example - it is one thing to spend your own money at a strip club vs. expensing it to your company.

And, having bothered to read about the details of her relationship a while back, when the story was quite a bit less stale, I learned that she was in a fairly normal romantic relationship with the man rather than just a transactional one. Neither Harris nor Brown ever tried to make a secret of their relationship or cover it up from the press. Describing her as some kind of slut or gold digger for openly having a relationship of that sort is reprehensible.
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We do not know their inner thoughts of course. But entering a relationship with somebody twice your age and getting state commission appointments (plus a BMW) out of it sure seems like a sugar relationship.

Fact check: Kamala Harris and Willie Brown had a relationship over a decade after he separated from wife
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The USA Today article I linked to upthread that goes into more details. This Reuters fact check is kind of bare bones.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
FIFY. I mean, come on, Derec, the pattern is very clear here.
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Yes it is - attacking white politicians (especially white men) is ok on here, but the second somebody writes anything critical about a "woman of color" all hell breaks loose.

There are white men who raped women or murdered Black people
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Why this black supremacist capitalization? Either capitalize both or neither!
That said, of course there are. There are also black people who raped women or murdered white people. On a per capita basis, far more actually.

and you get offended when someone says they did it because their court conviction hadn't happened yet. They have to be called a suspect.
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Regardless of race and gender of the accused, we need to look at evidence, not mere accusation. I was also skeptical of the most likely false rape accusations against Kobe Bryant for example. And of course, Brian Banks was falsely accused, as later turned out, after he spent years in prison.

You would only accept it if they were convicted but then still complain about it for arbitrary reasons. But here we have an individual never charged with anything, a Black woman, and you're saying "If it walks like a duck...." just throwing every defense and moral high ground out the window you previously held. It isn't the first time you did that either.
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I am not proposing that either Willie Brown nor Kamala Harris be prosecuted for this. So I do not get the relevance.
Note that attacks on here of white male politicians also routinely occur without any criminal conviction. So why do you demand that standard for things being written about KH?

And your complaining about the identity politics of others makes your posts deserve the Every Accusation is a Projection thread. So, here we are.
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Again, it is your ilk that keeps bringing up her race and gender. Not me.
 
Ford said:
And for the record, I have a BMW. If you shop around and get a gently used one, you can drive a Beemer for the same or less than what some other "economy" cars are going for nowadays. I guess in Derec's mind I must have fucked someone to get mine.
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BMWs drop in price because maintenance is scheißteuer once you are out of warranty. The point is that, according to USA Today, he bought her a car. A 60 year old buying an expensive gift for a paramour less than half his age is the point here, not the make of the car.
I never said that everybody who owns a BMW had it bought for them. That said, had you bought a beamer for your stripper girlfriend, we both would know why you did so ...
 
Derec said:
No, I do not look down on Harris for being a sugar baby, but that political appointments of sexual partners are inappropriate. What is the difference between Brown selling positions on state boards for a sexual relationship and Blago selling Senate appointment for cash, except the level of the position? It is one thing to use resources that belong to you vs. resources you have a responsibility to the public for. To use another example - it is one thing to spend your own money at a strip club vs. expensing it to your company.
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If you were talking about her positions on those boards I would agree. However, that was long ago, at most he got her in the door.
 
Derec said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
FIFY. I mean, come on, Derec, the pattern is very clear here.
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Yes it is - attacking white politicians (especially white men) is ok on here,
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No, really, it's not because it's about being critical of characteristics and events that ought to have criticism. So, for example, Biden isn't criticized too much and he's a white politician and a man. Trump deserves criticism and he is a white male. So your statement is false.

Derec said:
but the second somebody writes anything critical about a "woman of color" all hell breaks loose.
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Well, that's also not true, it's your penchant for attacking Blacks and women that is at issue. Again, we can see this in how women like MTG are criticized for what they say and do. While she's not Black, it's an example of criticism of a female politician. Likewise, Clarence Thomas's actions have been highlighted--not a woman but Black. I'm sure if we go to the archives we can also see criticism of Condoleeza Rice who also deserved it:
The same Condoleeza Rice who chaired meetings about how much torture was acceptable in the White House...
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Derec said:
There are white men who raped women or murdered Black people
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Why this black supremacist capitalization? Either capitalize both or neither!
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You shouldn't let people know how to activate you.

Derec said:
That said, of course there are. There are also black people who raped women or murdered white people. On a per capita basis, far more actually.
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Are you sure you are counting all killings, so like for example George W Bush? How many white people did George W Bush kill?

Derec said:
and you get offended when someone says they did it because their court conviction hadn't happened yet. They have to be called a suspect.
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Regardless of race and gender of the accused, we need to look at evidence, not mere accusation. I was also skeptical of the most likely false rape accusations against Kobe Bryant for example. And of course, Brian Banks was falsely accused, as later turned out, after he spent years in prison.
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Well of course you sometimes defend Black MALES when they are accused by Black WOMEN. Regardless, your sometimes standard is a thing you won't apply when it comes down to Kamala Harris. So there you have it.

Derec said:
You would only accept it if they were convicted but then still complain about it for arbitrary reasons. But here we have an individual never charged with anything, a Black woman, and you're saying "If it walks like a duck...." just throwing every defense and moral high ground out the window you previously held. It isn't the first time you did that either.
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I am not proposing that either Willie Brown nor Kamala Harris be prosecuted for this. So I do not get the relevance.
Note that attacks on here of white male politicians also routinely occur without any criminal conviction. So why do you demand that standard for things being written about KH?
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You're the one who demands the standard, at least in the past. Like for example with Derek Chauvin who murdered a Black man on camera. You couldn't admit that he was murdering him and demanded I call him a suspect. But then of course after conviction you still refused to say that the white* man was guilty of murder.

Derec said:
And your complaining about the identity politics of others makes your posts deserve the Every Accusation is a Projection thread. So, here we are.
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Again, it is your ilk that keeps bringing up her race and gender. Not me.
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I don't have an ilk, nor would it be necessary to explicitly bring it up when your pattern is obvious for everyone to observe.

* yes I know...capitalization. Did it activate you again?
 
Derec said:
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I believe I am sticking to the issue.
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No you are not.
Is not the motivation for an opinion part of an issue? Would it be wrong to bring up a Christian's faith motivation while discussing their anti-abortion stance?
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Your claim of my motivation is erroneous. You also went after me personally, attacking my sex life.
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You brought your sex life into political discussions a long time ago. So you are allowed to use it to bolster your political opinions but we are not allowed to address it because it's personal? So is that how it works?
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Ford said:
Rhea said:
Derec your comments about women and Harris in particular are disgusting.
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And for the record, I have a BMW. If you shop around and get a gently used one, you can drive a Beemer for the same or less than what some other "economy" cars are going for nowadays. I guess in Derec's mind I must have fucked someone to get mine.
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My understanding is that while you can get them pretty cheap you'll pay a lot more in maintenance.
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I have one too. The parts tend to be a little more expensive but the quality is worth it. But they are not disturbingly so, unlike Porsches where a brake caliper can be $2000. The labor is the same as any other car, unless you go to the stealership. I've only been there once to have the defective Takata airbag replaced. Otherwise I go to local mechanics with no issues.
 
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