GOP: The party of idiots

[Ford]

Well, she's a woman of color, so I think we can guess what Derec must think of her...

That's a baseless insult, and you know it.

I might as well say that the reason you dislike MTG is that she is a white woman ...

I read that as baseball insult. Also we know Ford hates white people. He always posts photos of white people in an attempt tp look ridiculous, and every thread he posts in his hatred of white people comes up. Don't get me started on Ford bringing up every obscure crime a white person committed.

I see what you did there...

 

[Derec]

You would bet wrong. There’s nothing wrong with what they did.

Unless there was a quid pro quo involved.

And you have no way of knowing if there was a quid pro quo involved — that is a sexist assumption.

First of all, how is it a "sexist assumption"? It takes two to tango, so both are involved.
Second, sure, we can't know for sure. That's why I wrote that it stinks like a quid pro quo, not that I can prove one. In other words, if it quacks like a duck ...
Kamala Harris was a 20-something attractive woman. She definitely could do better than a 50-something old man. I do not see her being attracted to Willie Brown without the incentive of what he can do for her career.

I couldn’t care less if a Republican woman, or man, dated someone separated from their husband, or wife.

[/QUOTE]
Maybe not you personally, but Ford really cares if a Republican woman gives her boyfriend a handjob or that a Republican congresswoman's name rhymes with "trailer queen" ...

 

[pood]

But, I must wonder, in your post, why did you neglect to mention that Brown, though married, had been SEPARATED from his wife for more than 10 years? That puts quite a different gloss on matters, not to the benefit of the smear against Harris you are propounding.

It's been four years since I read about it. I can't be expected to remember every minor detail. In any case, it changes nothing about the likely quid pro quo.

Oh, so you can’t be expected to remember every minor detail — such as the fact that Brown and his wife had been SEPARATED for ten years when he and Harris dated, which is NOT a “minor detail” — but you also have NO IDEA whether there was a quid pro quo, yet have absolutely no qualms about claiming it. And even if there was some kind of quid pro quo, so what? Do you think in real life, people in all sorts of relationships, sexual or otherwise, don’t mentor or help people all the time? But this is of a piece with the Great Big Right-Wing Hate Machine — the implication here is that Harris, because she is black and a woman, could not have made it on her own, that she is a kind of beneficiary of affirmative action. I recall some right-wing cartoonist loon, after Harris was selected as veep candidate, depicting her in one of his worthless cartoons as literally a streetwalker — a hooker in high heels and a short skirt beckoning motorists. This is how vile and contemptible the MAGAts (pronounced MAGGOTS) are. On second thought, I apologize to real maggots for the slur.

 

[pood]

Maybe not you personally, but Ford really cares if a Republican woman gives her boyfriend a handjob …or that a Republican congresswoman's name rhymes with "trailer queen" ...

No. I can’t speak for him, but I would guess what he cares about is the HYPOCRISY of this woman supporting all the right-wing MAGAt bullshit about “traditional family values” while cavalierly violating the very values she claims to espouse. That, and the fact that this episode took place IN PUBLIC, and moreover, she was smoking and talking loudly and annoying everyone around her, to the point where she was evicted from the premises. And during that eviction, she pulled the familiar old “do you people know who I am” routine, which all wanna-be hypocritical authoritarians do when they are caught out.

 

[Derec]

Oh, so you can’t be expected to remember every minor detail — such as the fact that Brown and his wife had been SEPARATED for ten years when he and Harris dated, which is NOT a “minor detail”

It does not change the fact that she fucked a much older man and that he helped her with her political career.
If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, it most likely is a duck and not KH just being into old men in her 20s.

— but you also have NO IDEA whether there was a quid pro quo, yet have absolutely no qualms about claiming it.

I said that it stinks like quid pro quo not that I can prove it. In any case, there was a sexual relationship and he helped her with her political career. I think it is likely she entered that relationship for the benefits he could provide her.

And even if there was some kind of quid pro quo, so what?

You really do not think there is anything wrong with trading sexual favors for political advancement?

the implication here is that Harris, because she is black and a woman, could not have made it on her own, that she is a kind of beneficiary of affirmative action.

It's not that she could not make it on her own, but that there is evidence that she was in a sexual relationship with a much older man who helped her political career.
Also, as long as so-called "affirmative action" exists, members of the groups who benefit from it can be suspected of personally having benefited from it. That is the double perversion of racial/gender preferences - it harms everybody. It denies more qualified people positions based on their race and/or gender and those whom it benefits are suspected of only getting in because of these discriminatory policies.
I do not know to what extent KH benefited from affirmative action in her earlier life, although her sexapades with OG Slick Willie are not "affirmative action". She most certainly was a beneficiary of "affirmative action" when Biden selected her as a running mate since he openly limited himself to only black women.

I recall some right-wing cartoonist loon, after Harris was selected as veep candidate, depicting her in one of his worthless cartoons as literally a streetwalker — a hooker in high heels and a short skirt beckoning motorists. This is how vile and contemptible the MAGAts (pronounced MAGGOTS) are. On second thought, I apologize to real maggots for the slur.

I think it was contemptible of Biden to exclude everybody not black and female from consideration for veep. As to the streetwalker cartoon, she deserves it for her contemptible support of the FOSTA/SESTA legislation.
Presidential Hopeful Kamala Harris Has Helped Make Sex Workers’ Lives More Dangerous

 

[pood]

You would bet wrong. There’s nothing wrong with what they did.

Unless there was a quid pro quo involved.

And you don’t know that there was.

And you have no way of knowing if there was a quid pro quo involved — that is a sexist assumption.

First of all, how is it a "sexist assumption"? It takes two to tango, so both are involved.

It’s a sexist assumption for reasons given above — the implication that women, and especially women of color, need patriarchal assistance to get ahead because they haven’t the chops to do it on their own, whereas Harris clearly does have the chops.

Second, sure, we can't know for sure. That's why I wrote that it stinks like a quid pro quo, not that I can prove one. In other words, if it quacks like a duck ...

Yeah, it doesn’t quack like a duck, either. Exaclty what quid pro quo do you imagine was effectuated here? Besides, as noted earlier, if Brown somehow helped her with her career, so what?

Kamala Harris was a 20-something attractive woman. She definitely could do better than a 50-something old man.

Oh, I see, now you are adding ageism onto sexism. Lots of younger women date older men. Lots of younger men date older women. Lots of younger guys date older guys. And?

I do not see her being attracted to Willie Brown without the incentive of what he can do for her career.

You do not see her being attracted to Willie Brown? Who the hell are you to decide who Kamala Harris is or is not attracted to, or should or should not be attracted to? What sexist, arrogant, patriarchal bullshit!

 

[Ford]

You would bet wrong. There’s nothing wrong with what they did.

Unless there was a quid pro quo involved.

And you don’t know that there was.

And you have no way of knowing if there was a quid pro quo involved — that is a sexist assumption.

First of all, how is it a "sexist assumption"? It takes two to tango, so both are involved.

It’s a sexist assumption for reasons given above — the implication that women, and especially women of color, need patriarchal assistance to get ahead because they haven’t the chops to do it on their own, whereas Harris clearly does have the chops.

Second, sure, we can't know for sure. That's why I wrote that it stinks like a quid pro quo, not that I can prove one. In other words, if it quacks like a duck ...

Yeah, it doesn’t quack like a duck, either. Exaclty what quid pro quo do you imagine was effectuated here? Besides, as noted earlier, if Brown somehow helped her with her career, so what?

Kamala Harris was a 20-something attractive woman. She definitely could do better than a 50-something old man.

Oh, I see, now you are adding ageism onto sexism. Lots of younger women date older men. Lots of younger men date older women. Lots of younger guys date older guys. And?

I do not see her being attracted to Willie Brown without the incentive of what he can do for her career.

You do not see her being attracted to Willie Brown? Who the hell are you to decide who Kamala Harris is or is not attracted to, or should or should not be attracted to? What sexist, arrogant, patriarchal bullshit!

Back in the day, I knew a local TV anchor who also dated Willie Brown. Was there a quid pro quo? Probably not. Maybe Willie is just that charming?

We cannot know. But what we can say is that Willie doesn't have to pay women to have sex with him. Something tells me there's not just misogyny going on here, but a bit of jealousy, perhaps? I'm just asking questions...

 

[pood]

Oh, so you can’t be expected to remember every minor detail — such as the fact that Brown and his wife had been SEPARATED for ten years when he and Harris dated, which is NOT a “minor detail”

It does not change the fact that she fucked a much older man and that he helped her with her political career.

How exactly did he help her with her political career? And, even if he did, so what?

If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, it most likely is a duck and not KH just being into old men in her 20s.

And, as noted above, this is just smug, sexist, patriarchal bullshit. Lots of young people are attracted to, and date, older people. So fucking what?

— but you also have NO IDEA whether there was a quid pro quo, yet have absolutely no qualms about claiming it.

I said that it stinks like quid pro quo not that I can prove it. In any case, there was a sexual relationship and he helped her with her political career. I think it is likely she entered that relationship for the benefits he could provide her.

Oh, so you admit you can’t prove it, but far be it from you not to spread innuendo anyway, right?

And even if there was some kind of quid pro quo, so what?

You really do not think there is anything wrong with trading sexual favors for political advancement?\

Except YOU HAVE NOT PROVEN THIS, YOU HAVE BASELESSLY ASSERTED IT. You even admit you can’t prove it!

And — I know that for people like you, the world must be binary and simplistic, but try to wrap your head around the idea that Kamela was both attracted to Willy AND thought he could help advance her career. What’s wrong with that? People help those close to them, whether in sexual relationships or not, all the time! It’s part of what’s called “the real world.”

the implication here is that Harris, because she is black and a woman, could not have made it on her own, that she is a kind of beneficiary of affirmative action.

It's not that she could not make it on her own, but that there is evidence that she was in a sexual relationship with a much older man who helped her political career.

So what?

Also, as long as so-called "affirmative action" exists, members of the groups who benefit from it can be suspected of personally having benefited from it. That is the double perversion of racial/gender preferences - it harms everybody. It denies more qualified people positions based on their race and/or gender and those whom it benefits are suspected of only getting in because of these discriminatory policies.
I do not know to what extent KH benefited from affirmative action in her earlier life, although her sexapades with OG Slick Willie are not "affirmative action". She most certainly was a beneficiary of "affirmative action" when Biden selected her as a running mate since he openly limited himself to only black women.

I’m sure we’re all touched by your concern for how beneficiaries of “affirmative action” are automatically suspect. Regardless, affirmative action is needed because without it we would revert to the bad old days of active discrimination not just against blacks, but against other minorities, like Jews, who in the bad old days were frequently barred from colleges.

I recall some right-wing cartoonist loon, after Harris was selected as veep candidate, depicting her in one of his worthless cartoons as literally a streetwalker — a hooker in high heels and a short skirt beckoning motorists. This is how vile and contemptible the MAGAts (pronounced MAGGOTS) are. On second thought, I apologize to real maggots for the slur.

I think it was contemptible of Biden to exclude everybody not black and female from consideration for veep.

Oh, cry me a river. It was and is contemptible for white males to try to exclude from power everyone who is not white and male, a practice that has been going on since this country began and continues to this day.

As to the streetwalker cartoon, she deserves it for her contemptible support of the FOSTA/SESTA legislation.
Presidential Hopeful Kamala Harris Has Helped Make Sex Workers’ Lives More Dangerous

She DESERVES to be characterized as a street walker, eh? Nice. That reveals just volumes about your character. I haven’t read your link yet. Dollars to donuts it’s some pathetic and inaccurate screed from a right-wing loon.

 

[pood]

And, btw, I lived in California for 15 years, during Willie’s heyday. He was handsome, charismatic, powerful, a great speaker, and a very attractive figure regardless of whether you agreed with his politics or not. I can well imagine him being attractive to lots of women of all ages and probably a not-inconsiderable number of men too, who wished he were gay.

 

[pood]

Also, they dated for a whopping ONE YEAR. I should hardly think Brown propelled Harris’s career in any way.

Anyhow, here’s a fact check.

 

[bilby]

That's a baseless insult, and you know it.

Then you should sue your posting history for slander.

 

[ZiprHead]

But, I must wonder, in your post, why did you neglect to mention that Brown, though married, had been SEPARATED from his wife for more than 10 years? That puts quite a different gloss on matters, not to the benefit of the smear against Harris you are propounding.

It's been four years since I read about it. I can't be expected to remember every minor detail. In any case, it changes nothing about the likely quid pro quo.

Yet you had the jpg readily at hand,

 

[Derec]

And you don’t know that there was.

And you don't know that there wasn't.
There was certainly a high likelihood of a qpq.

It’s a sexist assumption for reasons given above — the implication that women, and especially women of color, need patriarchal assistance to get ahead because they haven’t the chops to do it on their own, whereas Harris clearly does have the chops.

I never said that she doesn't have the chops. Or that I am assuming that all women (and women of so-called "color") do not have chops.
But that does not preclude wanting to take shortcuts either.

Look, I wanted to like KH. She has had a lot of potential. She is a smart woman. Her background and family could have made her a uniter, something we very much need.
Unfortunately, she is not a wise one. Her sense of judgment is lacking. I first soured on her when she sponsored that FOSTA/SESTA monstrosity. She also chose to divide on race, rather than unite. She lost a lot of points when she attacked Biden on 1970s busing, which was a stupid policy. She also claimed that Michael Brown was "murdered" even though, as a prosecutor, she must have known better. She even jumped on the Juicy Smollet bandwagon.
And her Willie Brown affair shows that her penchant for bad judgment goes way back.

Yeah, it doesn’t quack like a duck, either. Exaclty what quid pro quo do you imagine was effectuated here? Besides, as noted earlier, if Brown somehow helped her with her career, so what?

The idea is that she likely entered the relationship solely or primarily because of the benefits a powerful politician like Brown could provide her.

w you are adding ageism onto sexism. Lots of younger women date older men. Lots of younger men date older women. Lots of younger guys date older guys. And?

There are degrees of age difference. I looked it up. He was 60, she was 29, less than half his age.
Relationships with such a severe age difference (well outside the unofficial half your age plus seven rule) are rare without there being some sort of other benefit - money, K1 visa, or, as in this case, political patronage.
And that goes both ways. If, say, Cynthia Lummis started dating a young buck of 29 with political aspirations, that'd probably be a quid pro quo too. Nothing sexist about my assessment here.

You do not see her being attracted to Willie Brown[/I]? Who the hell are you to decide who Kamala Harris is or is not attracted to, or should or should not be attracted to? What sexist, arrogant, patriarchal bullshit!

I am not deciding who she is attracted to. I am saying it is unlikely that she was genuinely attracted to him given the severe age difference and the fact that he did help her get her start in politics. It's just reality of human nature, not "sexist, arrogant, patriarchal bullshit".

Next thing you'll be telling us Anna Nicole was really attracted to this guy.

And if we doubt it, we must be sexist, arrogant and patriarchal ...

 

[Loren Pechtel]

What indication do we have of loose sexual behavior on her part? What in her public history makes "heels up" relevant rather than just an anti-female insult?

When she was young, she had an affair with Willie Brown, then speaker of the CA state assembly, a major player in the California Democratic Party machine, and 30 years her senior and married. He also helped her get her start in politics. That sounds like quid pro quo, and is far more relevant than Boebert's handy.

Women are often attracted to men of power. That doesn't show misdeeds. And even if true--that would mean it got her in the door, not that it got her to the top.

Even without being harmed living through an event that traumatic can be enough to trigger PTSD. I think "victim" is appropriate.

I think it is taking that term well out of any meaningful scope. In any case, Hogg became an activist and it is in that capacity that MTG confronted him.

A sufficiently terrifying experience when a person is unable to act to protect themselves can trigger PTSD even with no actual harm done. And I think "victim" is a proper term for someone who has been through that, whether or not it actually causes PTSD.

2) While I presume true it has no connection to her public persona or actions while in office.

It is true, and it is most definitely linked to her "public persona" and "actions while in office". Remember her stunt to extend the eviction moratorium?
House Democrat sleeps on Capitol steps as she blasts lawmakers over expiring eviction moratorium
At the bottom of the article there is a reference to her own experience with getting evicted.

And that's supposed to be relevant to supposedly sleeping her way to the top how?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There are degrees of age difference. I looked it up. He was 60, she was 29, less than half his age.
Relationships with such a severe age difference (well outside the unofficial half your age plus seven rule) are rare without there being some sort of other benefit - money, K1 visa, or, as in this case, political patronage.

Rare, not nonexistent. And powerful older man/attractive younger woman is a very common dynamic, not any reason to single her out.

Next thing you'll be telling us Anna Nicole was really attracted to this guy.

And if we doubt it, we must be sexist, arrogant and patriarchal ...

Older, not geriatric. I do agree Anna Nicole unquestionably did it for the money.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Kamala Harris was a 20-something attractive woman.

That's a very vague way to word something. Was she 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, or 29?

 

[TomC]

It does not change the fact that she fucked a much older man and that he helped her with her political career.

Nope.
She was smart and strong and on her way to the top!
He got in early.

He fucked his way into her inner circle.
Great job, if you can get it.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

It does not change the fact that she fucked a much older man and that he helped her with her political career.

That simply proves you don't know what a fact is.

 

[pood]

It does not change the fact that she fucked a much older man and that he helped her with her political career.

That simply proves you don't know what a fact is.

Exactly. He has no idea whether the claim that he helped her with her career is true. Even if he did, so what? But here’s the rub: Implicit in his canard is that there is no way that a woman, and especially a black woman, can succeed on her own merits; and that therefore any help Brown gave her must have been because she didn’t deserve to advance in her career on her own merits. Nothing about Kamela Harris warrants accepting this canard, but it’s standard fare for the right wing, which takes it as a given that women and people of color are naturally inferior to men and especially to white men.

 

[Derec]

Women are often attracted to men of power. That doesn't show misdeeds.

When the woman is ambitious herself, and the "man of power" helps her in those ambitions, I think it is likely she started the relationship for that reason, and not out of genuine attraction.

And even if true--that would mean it got her in the door, not that it got her to the top.

It would still be quid pro quo. I said he helped her get her start in politics, so we agree.

A sufficiently terrifying experience when a person is unable to act to protect themselves can trigger PTSD even with no actual harm done. And I think "victim" is a proper term for someone who has been through that, whether or not it actually causes PTSD.

I still that is an overly broad definition. In any case, MTG did not just randomly confront somebody from that school, but an activist who actually travelled to the Capitol as part of that activism. Therefore, Ford's statement was misleading at best.

And that's supposed to be relevant to supposedly sleeping her way to the top how?

I did not say it was. This part was the analogue to Ford calling MTG "Marjorie Trailer Queen". "Thrice Evicted Cori" at least has the advantage of being true, unlike Ford's libelous moniker, even if it doesn't rhyme.