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Being charitable to Trump, I would assume he’s confusing Area 51 with Roswell, NM.
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Why "we came out fine after Trump's first term so we'll come out fine with another term, there is no danger" is dangerously stupid
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Possibly, but it's hardly the biggest tourist attraction in the country. I don't even think it's the biggest tourist attraction in New Mexico, and I lived in New Mexico!
You misunderstand me.
Yes, he was a major denier. But he was speaking to a bunch of people who liked the message. I don't think more sensible behavior from him would have made a substantial difference in the outcome. It was already here before we even realized it and it doesn't take a lot of bad actors to spread it widely.
Well, it probably is the number one attraction in the county. Without the R. The UFO crowd likes to go watch the aliens. (There is no public vantage point that lets you see into the facility, but planes at night playing war games are way above the horizon. And a lot of their UFOs look very much like planes spitting out flares to spoof a heat seeker.)
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Not "a" major denier. THE major denier.
These are people who fucking DRANK BLEACH because he suggested it. They would have liked whatever message he told them to like.
If he had said vaccines were safe and you should get 'em if you can, N95 masks looked cool, ...
wait. Never mind. That's at least a few hundred thousand dead MAGAts who would otherwise be voting...
It's a CULT, Loren. The members do what the Leader sez.
I will concede one point; the US is real big and the populations are concentrated in and around metro areas. It's not New Zealand, though the differential in outcomes cannot be equalized on that basis. But it does take fewer bad actors to wreak far more mayhem in the US. Especially if they're THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
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Since Rogan is catering to a largely right-wing audience it was a little surprising there was any pushback.
He was all for promoting Ivermectin. One time he was pointing out something Biden said as proof of Biden's mental decline, hyping it up, until someone pointed out Biden was just quoting what Trump said to point out how crazy it was. Then Rogan changed his stance to Trump just misspoke.
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I didn't think there was any question that Rogan was anything but a Trumpapologist.
I am befuddled every day that people take people like him seriously.
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Rogan's popular, which serves to make him part of the problem because he platforms horrible and ridiculous conspiratorial people, and treats them as valid.
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Niagara Falls or Roswell? Grand Canyon or Roswell? The Jersey Shore or Roswell?
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As is the wont of drunks everywhere..
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Two big problems I see with the OP title (aside from the fact that we didn't come out fine) are these.
1) Trump's first administration had a bunch of people hired for competency. This time he's made it clear that loyalty is the top consideration.
2) Trump's first term would end and he'd be up for reelection. This one won't have even that. He won't have any reason to care about how much damage he does. He won't be running again.
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1) Trump's first administration had a bunch of people hired for competency. This time he's made it clear that loyalty is the top consideration.
2) Trump's first term would end and he'd be up for reelection. This one won't have even that. He won't have any reason to care about how much damage he does. He won't be running again.
Tom
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For those of you who don't subscribe to the "failing" NYTimes, I'm gifting an article that goes into extensive detail as to why Trump is such a threat. Will we survive such a threat if he wins? I'm not going to say for sure because I think it all depends on the courts and the willingness of Congress to allow him to be America's Hitler. I just hope enough will vote blue no matter who, as the expression goes, so we don't have to face the possibility of an end to democracy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/27/...e_code=1.Vk4.hr3_.7efm40ZDosfu&smid=url-share
That's just a small taste of how Trump is described in the link. Yet, at least one of our posters is supporting this sick, dangerous person. Go figure! As Bill Maher once said when Biden was still running for the office, "I'd vote for Biden's head in a jar of blue liquid before I'd vote for Trump". I don't agree with that much that Maher says these days, but he was right on when he said that.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/27/...e_code=1.Vk4.hr3_.7efm40ZDosfu&smid=url-share
That's just a small taste of how Trump is described in the link. Yet, at least one of our posters is supporting this sick, dangerous person. Go figure! As Bill Maher once said when Biden was still running for the office, "I'd vote for Biden's head in a jar of blue liquid before I'd vote for Trump". I don't agree with that much that Maher says these days, but he was right on when he said that.
Here we disagree.
I think you're attributing far too much of the outcome to him. There are very large disinformation campaigns at work that I think did far more than he did.
Cult, yes, but the problem predates him. There are far too many who reject anything that they can possibly call a nanny state.
New Zealand and Australia had a big advantage--it hadn't taken hold nearly as strongly there.
I very much do not like his behavior and he certainly contributed to the problem, but I think he was just one factor amongst many. Saying he caused it is more power than I think he had.
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Okay then, WHO has more influence over the denyers than Trump? Why do they call it TRUMP’s BIG LIE?
(Hint: NOBODY)
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Yup. Loren is long on statements but short on specifics.
Fess up, Loren. Who or what are these large disinformation campaigns that you think have more influence than Trump?
He's probably #1, but there are a lot more behind him.
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The big problem I see with Cheato taking over again is that there will be few restraints left. There were hard working staff members that kept him in check the first go around, and used the distraction technique to get him to focus elsewhere when he wanted to do something stupid. Recall what Kamala did in the debate - "look squirrel!" and he fell for it every time. These people showed up to the White House to work and a lot were patriots who kept him in check.
This time around, I think his sycophants will be surrounding him and kissing the ring.
This time around, I think his sycophants will be surrounding him and kissing the ring.
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He also had to consider his reelection chances.
This time he won't have that problem.
Even he survives the term...
Tom