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and people prefer the ruinous policies of the first Trump administration plus a bunch of new ruinous policies he will allow in his second.
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I am unburdened by what has been.
I don't know specifically which Trump policies you are referring to during his first term but whether Trump's policies will usher in newer ruinous policies remains to be seen. But in any case, the electorate has roundly rejected the democrat's handling of things. Harris offered nothing.
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Yeah. I wonder what these ruinous policies of Biden are. Is it the low unemployment? The low inflation? The pay raises being greater than the inflation rate? The programs to return jobs to the United States?
What are these ruinous policies you keep complaining about but never specify, TSwizzle?
What are these ruinous policies you keep complaining about but never specify, TSwizzle?
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That and not "doing something" about the homeless people in California.
I was texting my biological mother in Cali just the other night. She's terrified SSI is going away... That's her only income and exactly what's keeping a roof over her head.
Fucker is literally arguing for the candidate who would turn out and then "do something about" her being homeless on the street...
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I'll agree with that--that to a large degree there is this uneducated delusion that Trump is a good businessman, which is clearly ridiculous. The notion that government should be run like a business is an old but stupid concept.
I also think that a lot of stupid, stupid people believe in the "alpha male" thing, which is yet another idiotic notion.
That said, it can't be possible that all of them based their vote on those false ideas. Overall, men voted overwhelmingly for Trump, which appears to indicate that many men, and not just white men, are put off by the Democratic party. Thus, the question is why.
We don't need and it's not realistic to suggest that we could get most of them back. 10-15% would be more than sufficient. So then the question becomes how we get them back.
For the ones that are gettable, it needs to be communicated (somehow) that they're wanted; that the demeaning rhetoric towards them is not what the Democratic party is about. Leftists can cringe all they want at the term "white male bashing", but dammit, it is a factor in driving away this demographic.
I cannot put into words how much I despise Trump and what he's done to this nation, but what he has been successful at doing is, in one way or another, communicating to this demographic that they're not the inherently bad people the extremist leftists tell them they are, that they're not automatically privileged, and that their concerns are legitimate.
The reductive idea that someone has it worse than you, so shut the fuck up is insulting and has driven these people away in droves. Communicate to someone that they don't belong and they will go away.
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Trump pandered to the worst instincts in people and to their fears (founded or unfounded) and it worked. It helps that he is a very experienced grifter/salesman. Appealing to the better nature of people only helps if the appeal comes from someone with lots of charisma. Like it or not, Trump seems to have charisma and Harris did not have it in sufficient abundance to overcome her demographic barriers.
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I don't know. I do that white males voted up to 2 to 1 for Trump. Why?
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My explanation is simple.
The Teaparty managed to sell to culture of victimhood and entitlement to white Christian males in the USA.
Bizarre situation, but it happened.
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I asked you first.
I consider myself well left of center, but I want to hear honest answers from other liberals. Also, I've been writing my shpiel about this for days now.
They're too cool for school and don't want to be "beta cucks".
I was told yesterday that libs were over-opinionated beta cuck soy boys that needed to shut the fuck up.
These people seek edification from Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan.
I think Democrats have grossly overlooked this generation of lost boys with the assumption that the GOP was drawing votes mostly from white boomers.
I know I was surprised a couple of years ago to get in the truck with one of my 24 year old employees when the bluetooth automatically started playing his phone and he was listening to Bret Weinstein on the Joe Rogan Experience.
They think they are raging against the machine by supporting Trump. The don't seem to realize that the machine they are supporting will eat them. But, they have been kind of ignored by the old GOP and Democrats. The new GOP figured out how to pander to them without actually doing anything for them.
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Nuh uh!
I asked you, where are the insult, the shaming, the etc... I'm a white male and I haven't had to endure the alleged insulting. Clinton called some people deplorable almost a decade ago. Obama said people cling to faith and guns in times of hardship decades ago.
There must be something else, much more current.
I mean, the only actual insults I've had to endure was being liberal, not a white male.
You state the insulting as being somewhat obvious.
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Just FYI, to all the people saying "we deserve what we get", you're basically saying women deserve to get raped. Not a good look.
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im a white male and have suffered from some of the complaints these other white male voters have complained about. in fact i have been told on a few occassions i was not hired for good paying jobs because it was determined by the corprate hr they needed minorities or women to fill those roles
did it suck not getting my way? yes. am i the apple of my own eye? of course. but im not insane and realize the world does not revolve around me and in fact dont want it to. minorities and women have needs just like i do and have to be met as well. if they arent why should they give a shit about anything? the social engineers are paid and the lawmakers are paid to try to make sure the country worjs for everyone and we just cant always get our way. ive done well in life and have a good job so im grateful. Dont begrude the fews times aomeone else might have edged me out on something.
Go electing a dictator wannabee isnt going to help. if Trump actually tried to put white men back at the top like the 1950s and before we will have to just start all over again when the political winds change towards equal rights. And in a fe years time the white men will be a minority and nay face some real repurcussions and payback.
did it suck not getting my way? yes. am i the apple of my own eye? of course. but im not insane and realize the world does not revolve around me and in fact dont want it to. minorities and women have needs just like i do and have to be met as well. if they arent why should they give a shit about anything? the social engineers are paid and the lawmakers are paid to try to make sure the country worjs for everyone and we just cant always get our way. ive done well in life and have a good job so im grateful. Dont begrude the fews times aomeone else might have edged me out on something.
Go electing a dictator wannabee isnt going to help. if Trump actually tried to put white men back at the top like the 1950s and before we will have to just start all over again when the political winds change towards equal rights. And in a fe years time the white men will be a minority and nay face some real repurcussions and payback.
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Well according to the latest posts by the right wingers all your bodies now belong to us men. Sorry. You DO get what you vote for.
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There certainly are the "beta cuck" types of assholes. They're hopeless and not worth engaging. Whatever is may be that's fucked up in their heads is something they'll have to fix on their own. No amount of reasoning is going to help those guys.
I'm not referring to them. Again, they're hopeless. What I'm referring to are the men who have legitimate complaints about being demeaned and not heard. Those guys aren't hopeless. They can be won or re-won if the consistent ire that groups them in with the insufferable assholes like the guys you mentioned above stops.
It would be difficult though. How are extreme leftists going to be made to ease up when they have their own one dimensional Whataboutisms to overcome?
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Sorry Mr. Higgins, I'm not buying that you haven't heard the terms "white privilege" and "white people problems" tossed around as a dismissive and derisive term on a consistent basis for the last decade+. I see it nearly every time I go on Reddit, which a steel-armored liberal bubble.Nuh uh!
I asked you, where are the insult, the shaming, the etc... I'm a white male and I haven't had to endure the alleged insulting. Clinton called some people deplorable almost a decade ago. Obama said people cling to faith and guns in times of hardship decades ago.
There must be something else, much more current.
I mean, the only actual insults I've had to endure was being liberal, not a white male.
You state the insulting as being somewhat obvious.
Hell, I even heard it on a podcast I listen to called Faculty of Horror. I'll save the details, but they review horror movies. When reviewing Jacob's Ladder they laughed at the grief the lead character was going through regarding the death of his son. They derisively said, "Aw, another white people problem."
What the fuck is that about???
The point is that it's become a very common thing to lump all white people into one awful homogenous group. As I've said before, it hasn't changed my foundational principles, but even at 55 it still gets under my skin.
How do you think young men will react to that? My assertion is that they're going to react negatively to it by doing stupid shit like voting for Trump.
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If it were true, campaign ads for the Republicans would have led with it. Sure, some whites might feel under siege, but it isn't because of viable things.
No, instead what were the ads? Child sex change operations, anti-transgender commercial (She's with they/them, He's with you), the border, defund the police. Not inflation, not whites under direct attack, no sense of Trump understands you. And after the debate to the election in person, it was about men... and being against immigrants.
The ads (much like the nazi-esque protest in Virginia in 2017) are targeting men that are scared that their dated worldview is disintegrating.
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Did you ever wonder how different elections would be if voters had to decide based on what their candidate is for? Cut out all the jibber jabber, all the insults, all the false claims, all the rallies, simply cut out all the horseshit and make candidates write down their positions on all given subjects as they see them. Then voters have to read and decide.
Orange Dotard is an asshole that appeals to lots of people. They like the fact that he is an asshole and that he misbehaves, that he is entertaining. That's why Joe Sixpack sends his money to the billionaire asshole. Joe Sixpack is voting and spending his money based on entertainment value.
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But "white privilege" is a thing. Recognizing that isn't about shame, it is about social inertia. I actually haven't heard the term "white people problems".Sorry Mr. Higgins, I'm not buying that you haven't heard the terms "white privilege" and "white people problems" tossed around as a dismissive and derisive term on a consistent basis for the last decade+. I see it nearly every time I go on Reddit, which a steel-armored liberal bubble.Nuh uh!
I asked you, where are the insult, the shaming, the etc... I'm a white male and I haven't had to endure the alleged insulting. Clinton called some people deplorable almost a decade ago. Obama said people cling to faith and guns in times of hardship decades ago.
There must be something else, much more current.
I mean, the only actual insults I've had to endure was being liberal, not a white male.
You state the insulting as being somewhat obvious.
Couldn't tell ya.
Anyone doing that, is having zero impact on my life.
You mean young white men? How are they going to manage these slights that they may or may not know they are the victims of?