Dem Post Mortem

[Tigers!]

so, you’re saying it is not possible that the second sentence explains the first?

That assumes that she was a bad candidate because of her race and gender. Not because of her bad judgment or poor campaigning or because she came across as inauthentic.

I’m not assuming it but I am contemplating it as it could be true.

Trump has bad judgment, poor campaigning and is inauthentic yet he still won.

If Trump is a poor campaigner he was/is miles ahead of Harris.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Interesting thread, wondering why someone as wonderful as Kamala Harris lost. So ponder.

If she is so awesome, why'd she lose the 2020 primary even before voting started?

Could it be she actually lacked appeal within her own party?

 

[Jarhyn]

Waffled on gender affirmation/surgery stances, especially for minors

No, they didn't.

Republicans, much like with election/voter fraud, claimed something was happening which was not.

Nobody supports surgery for minors (except, ironically, republicans).

Didn't course correct on males in females sports.

No, they didn't jump into gender essentialism and legislating private competition. This is a very dishonest way of discussing whether science or politics is the primary vehicle for discussing competitive advantage.

Played both sides irt Israel/Iran proxies.

No, the whole situation is a mess. Anyone who cannot see that the situation in the middle east is not compounded heavily with "religious posturing" is a fool.

The american political climate puts so much leverage on the middle east because of dominionist/evangelical beliefs. How a 2000 year old myth ended up being a basis for political posture today is less important than the fact that it IS such a basis.

The reality here is that "support Israel even if they're being shitty, or else the religious whack jobs in the US will call you the antichrist and you lose." The ONLY option is to play both sides or to take Israel's side in a genocide.

Didn't force Joe out in spring of 2023.

"Didn't kneecap their own political power"

Let Kamala take the mantle and run when she is woefully incapable for the role.

Ah, there's the misogyny.

If they had not ousted Tulsi, I bet she could have been elected right now.

Who?

Michelle,Obama would have won for sure. It wasn't a woman bias.

A yes, elect someone with literally 0 time spent in office herself to office....

It was the choice to put a 3rd string player on the ballot.

Everyone democrats ousted from the party for not towing the line, became their downfall in the end. Cancel culture eats itself.

Toeing. "Toeing" is to pick up and carry.

This phrase comes from "to toe the line" as I "to line up one's toes with those of other soldiers as the form up at a line on the floor".

The problem is exactly calls like yours demanding that democrats force people to toe a line YOU define, namely misogyny and rejection of science in favor of your politics.

As the Dutch say "Rot Op".

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

It is irrelevant what the Democrats did or did not do. Trump won because the American people have lost their way. This was helped along by most of the mainstream media helping Trump, by downplaying or not covering all his dementia, lies and horrible intentions. He was treated as an entertainer. They should have done regular exposes on how bad a business man he was and is, the Covid deaths that he caused, and so many other things. But Americans don't care; hope they enjoy their coming nightmare.

 

[Ford]

This was helped along by most of the mainstream media helping Trump, by downplaying or not covering all his dementia, lies and horrible intentions. He was treated as an entertainer. They should have done regular exposes on how bad a business man he was and is, the Covid deaths that he caused, and so many other things. But Americans don't care; hope they enjoy their coming nightmare.

The term that's been thrown about is "sanewashing." Trump goes onstage and says "they're eating the dogs...they're eating the cats" but the reporting from the "news" division is "the former President made controversial remarks last night." They're trying to seem objective or - dare I say - fair and balanced. Because they're worried about losing the top end of the 25-54 demo in the week's ratings.

Yet on the other hand, they play the clips because...well...let's look at a clip from a surprisingly accurate movie about the radio business:

 

[steve_bank]

Interesting thread, wondering why someone as wonderful as Kamala Harris lost. So ponder.

If she is so awesome, why'd she lose the 2020 primary even before voting started?

Could it be she actually lacked appeal within her own party?

Could it possibly be she did not address the concerns that the majority of the people have?

Trump flipped blue states, that should tell us something. Lkee maybe the democrats are out of touch with the people, certainty true of Biden who continues to speak his tired old democrat cliche;'s.

When he spoke to a blck college audience he pleaded for blacks to vote for hm. Some in the audience turned their chairs around showing him their backs.

In response to being asked why she voted for Trump and not Harris a woman said 'Beyonce does not pay my bills; referring to Harris trotting out all those entertainment figures.

 

[Ford]

In response to being asked why she voted for Trump and not Harris a woman said 'Beyonce does not pay my bills; referring to Harris trotting out all those entertainment figures.

It is worth noting that most Americans knew Trump from his time hosting a "reality" show. He was famous for being a rich entertainment figure, and his aura as a "successful businessman" was as flimsy as a soap bubble.

He was not and never has been a guy who was on the side of the everyday American, let alone the working class. He shits in a golden toilet, flies in a private jet everywhere, and the last time he sat in the driver's seat of any vehicle is for a photo op "driving" a garbage truck. His stint "working" at McDonald's lasted no longer than some McDonald's employees' bus ride to their job.

The truth is that his "hero of the working man" persona is a sham, and the fact that so many people fell for it is more of a commentary on the ability of the American people to be easily manipulated.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

I've ranted enough about other things, so I'll talk about something else: Kamal Harris.

I understand that what I'm about to say is highly speculative. There's no guarantee that some other candidate would've won. IMO, Gavin Newsom would've been the far better choice.

Scapegoat, scapegoat, scapegoat. What minority is small enough and despised anough to safely deflect guilt for the loss of a national election onto? Someone who stayed home is more guilty than someone who actively voted in a dictator, apparently.

Well, yeah as a matter of fact. Trump's vote turnout was less than his vote in 2020. Elections are always about turnout. Granted she didn't inspire people. But seriously, what the fuck is wrong with people who sit out elections? They are indeed fucked up people.

You really can't see what's wrong with accepting white bigotry as a given while screaming your hatred toward a refugee people who've been subjected to genocide?

Sticking up for a religious group that oppresses women to the point where if it were white Christians were doing it you'd be spitting blood. They voted for Trump because he is indeed such a misogynistic turd. But by all means, keep supporting an absurd religion and it's ass backwards culture.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

I found this interesting. I've been ranting about it, so I figured I should post some sources. So here ya' go.

Ignore and insult one of the largest voting demographics, and well, this is what you get.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-11-06/how-5-key-demographic-groups-helped-trump-win-the-2024-election

White and Suburban Men​

The Pew Research Center found that Trump had a 30-point advantage among white men who reported voting for him over Clinton in 2016. While Trump still had a sizable advantage in that demographic in 2020, Biden did make some gains and shrunk the margin to 17 points.
So far, Harris appears to have lost some of that ground in 2024, according to the AP. White men who supported Trump made up 59% of those surveyed as of Wednesday afternoon, compared to 39% for Harris – a margin that was smaller than Clinton’s eight years ago.
The vice president, however, also lost some ground with suburban men. Biden narrowly won support from that demographic group (49% to 48%) in 2020, while this year, Trump had a 6-point advantage over Harris as of publication (52% to 46%).

 

[trillian]

Waffled on gender affirmation/surgery stances, especially for minors

No, they didn't.

Republicans, much like with election/voter fraud, claimed something was happening which was not.

Nobody supports surgery for minors (except, ironically, republicans).

Didn't course correct on males in females sports.

No, they didn't jump into gender essentialism and legislating private competition. This is a very dishonest way of discussing whether science or politics is the primary vehicle for discussing competitive advantage.

Played both sides irt Israel/Iran proxies.

No, the whole situation is a mess. Anyone who cannot see that the situation in the middle east is not compounded heavily with "religious posturing" is a fool.

The american political climate puts so much leverage on the middle east because of dominionist/evangelical beliefs. How a 2000 year old myth ended up being a basis for political posture today is less important than the fact that it IS such a basis.

The reality here is that "support Israel even if they're being shitty, or else the religious whack jobs in the US will call you the antichrist and you lose." The ONLY option is to play both sides or to take Israel's side in a genocide.

Didn't force Joe out in spring of 2023.

"Didn't kneecap their own political power"

Let Kamala take the mantle and run when she is woefully incapable for the role.

Ah, there's the misogyny.

If they had not ousted Tulsi, I bet she could have been elected right now.

Who?

Michelle,Obama would have won for sure. It wasn't a woman bias.

A yes, elect someone with literally 0 time spent in office herself to office....

It was the choice to put a 3rd string player on the ballot.

Everyone democrats ousted from the party for not towing the line, became their downfall in the end. Cancel culture eats itself.

Toeing. "Toeing" is to pick up and carry.

This phrase comes from "to toe the line" as I "to line up one's toes with those of other soldiers as the form up at a line on the floor".

The problem is exactly calls like yours demanding that democrats force people to toe a line YOU define, namely misogyny and rejection of science in favor of your politics.

As the Dutch say "Rot Op".

Just spitting my facts as I see them. I dont claim humans are rational. It is what it is. The game of democratic politics isn't a math equation. Appreciate the spelling correction, as most people do. I do hope you find peace in the next 4 years.
Love from Fryslan

 

[Colonel Sanders]

How do you propose Israel defend itself against an enemy that hides in civilian areas without there being significant civilian casualties?

You send ground troops in to route out HAMAS instead of bombing and destroying an entire city block full of people to get a few HAMAS members.

So you send your soldiers into urban combat, one of the most difficult and bloody types of combat where civilian casualties are going to be high anyway? A place where it's difficult if not at times impossible to distinguish civilians from enemy soldiers? This is particularly true in this war. Hamas is quite happy to take up positions in buildings occupied by civilians and fire on Israelis.

You don't unnecessarily sacrifice your soldiers and there is no such thing as clean warfare.

 

[TSwizzle]

I understand that what I'm about to say is highly speculative. There's no guarantee that some other candidate would've won. IMO, Gavin Newsom would've been the far better choice.

Newsom will be finding it difficult to suppress his joy that Harris lost. Now he can look forward to taking a run at the nomination in 2028 whereas if Harris had won, he’d likely never get a chance. I very much doubt he would have beaten Trump but it would have been funny to watch him try.