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Toni's statement is a bit overly broad, but it is rather accurate when taken in appropriate context.
It's more than that - it's racist and sexist, and there is no context in which her statement is true or appropriate.
It was the basis of Jim Crow. Poor white yeomen farmers in the south didn't want to compete with blacks.
Jim Crow was many decades ago. Since there, there has been the opposite - racial preferences for blacks (and Latinos) as well as for women. Toni is talking about the present. She is accusing every white man who is against racial/gender preferences of not being able to compete with women and blacks.
Go watch one of the Bernstein's Orchestra for children program back in the 50s/60s. Notice how near exclusively white and male the orchestra is.
Look at any orchestra today. Notice the much larger balance. White people were in orchestra because they didn't need to compete with others. This isn't judgmental, it is simply fact.
Again, 50s and 60s were a long time ago. And how much of that was because few blacks chose to have their kids learn to play a classical instrument? To play at a top level takes not just talent, but also a lot of dedication and time from a very young age.
I do think an orchestra like that should be open to everybody, but everybody should be held to the same standards. Certain applicants should not be given a preference to increase diversity just like NBA should not give certain players preference to increase its diversity.
America has a problem with not-American. Look at Indycar and NASCAR. I'll give you one guess why the technologically inferior NASCAR Is more popular today. Heck, I remember Jeff Gordon being hated because he was from the West Coast.
I don't watch either. I am more of a Formula 1 kind of guy. Unfortunately the only American (Logan Sargeant) in the field was recently fired by Williams. Despite three Grand Prix in the US (Miami, Austin and Las Vegas) American F1 drivers are scarce.
What does that have to do with Toni's racist and sexist claims though?
 
So, you believe that it came to be that white men are in charge …because they are just naturally superior? Smarter, stronger, harder working? More intelligent?
You are shifting the goalposts. You accused white men of being lesser than others. This is what you wrote.
Toni said:
Because white men cannot compete if the odds are not stacked in their favor. They cannot stand against real competition unless they make all the rules and judgements in their favor.
I think centuries of privilege have made people complacent. In this particular case: white males. Also insecure and less sharp.
It's actually the opposite. Decades of racial preferences have made blacks and Hispanics complacent.
If they don't have to work nearly as hard in high school as their white and Asian brethren to get into a good college, most will not.
If they don't have to work nearly as hard in college as their white and Asian brethren to get into a graduate/professional school, most will not.

I have posted this before, and you and your side never has a good apologetics for it:
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Look at how any non-white non-male person who gets any kind position that a white make wants is immediately decried as Affirmative Action hire—or to be more modern: DEA hire.
Many of them are. Not all, but it taints everybody. That's the perversion of AA/DEI. Just like the nephew of the company owner is not necessarily an incompetent nepotism hire, but he or she will be under suspicion of that at least until they prove their mettle.
Same with AA/DEI. It not only harms groups discriminated against by those efforts, but also the groups ostensibly helped. Why is it so controversial to just treat applicants as individuals, and not discriminate against one group or another?

I think Biden administration/Democratic Party holding steadfast to the concept of racial preferences is part of the reason they lost in 2024. "Affirmative Action" is so unpopular that it even lost when it was on the ballot in California of all places. And yet:
‘This Is Not a Normal Court’: Biden Denounces Affirmative-Action Ruling
Read the room!
Trump is the result of thousands of years of affirmative action for white men.
Thousands of years now? How so?

To make this even slightly on topic, I can see the same reality inversion field operating on the subject of shootings. Even though blacks kill people at a rate ~5-6x that of whites, the leftosphere always claims that it's white people with AR15s that are the real problem, never black bangers with Glocks.
FBI Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

I could not find a chart comparing offenders, only victims, but since vast majority of homicide is intraracial, the rates are not very different. It also shows that this "blame whitey" attitude predominately harms black victims of gun violence.
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I did not write nor imply that white men are inferior to anybody.

I said that they could only maintain their near exclusive hold on wealth and power by writing the rules so that they favor maintaining wealth and control in the hands of white males, and limiting the abilities of women and non-whites so that they had less access to education, accumulation and control over wealth—or their own bodies, their own labor and the fruits of their labor for that matter.

At most, I implied that white men are selfish bullies.

I will further state that at least in some cases, as you so richly illustrate in your oddly but so predictably aggrieved post, white men seem to lack any awareness outside of their own personal experiences and their self-entitlement fueled insecurities.
 
Jim Crow was many decades ago. Since there, there has been the opposite - racial preferences for blacks (and Latinos) as well as for women.

Curious, where are the statistics showing that Black people, Latinos, and women overwhelmingly occupy top positions due to preferential treatment?
 
Because white men cannot compete if the odds are not stacked in their favor. They cannot stand against real competition unless they make all the rules and judgements in their favor.
That is an incredibly sexist and racist statement!
Why weren't women allowed to vote until the 20th century? Why were their Jim Crow laws? The world was sexist and racist back then.

Trump is unabashedly sexist and racist now. Hell, he is proud of of his sexism and racism.

While I think Toni's observation is a bit strong. I'd say that white men stacked in their favor. Now, when others wish to unstack those odds. white men are resisting.
 


Trump is the result of thousands of years of affirmative action for white men.
So was Biden but you don't complain about that.
So you really expect me to list every single white man?
Of course not but why did you single out Trump? You could have chosen any stale, pale male but you mentioned him specifically.
Probably because Trump is the epitome of white Christian male privileges.
He can lie all he wants. Cheat all he wants. Bang all the women he wants (women love it when he grabs them by the pussy). And the Christians will vote for him in droves!

Trump is the new Christian leader in this most Christian country in the world.

My opinion of Christians was kinda low before Trump took over, now it's gone down a lot.
Tom
 


Trump is the result of thousands of years of affirmative action for white men.
So was Biden but you don't complain about that.
So you really expect me to list every single white man?
Of course not but why did you single out Trump? You could have chosen any stale, pale male but you mentioned him specifically.
Probably because Trump is the epitome of white Christian male privileges.
He can lie all he wants. Cheat all he wants. Bang all the women he wants (women love it when he grabs them by the pussy). And the Christians will vote for him in droves!

Trump is the new Christian leader in this most Christian country in the world.

My opinion of Christians was kinda low before Trump took over, now it's gone down a lot.
Tom
Yes I am surprised that so many Christians have supported him :cry:
 
Yes I am surprised that so many Christians have supported him :cry:
I don't want to hurt your feelings.

But I see Christian teachings as the destruction of the USA and democracy. It's not the only ideology based on human authority and subservient behavior. But it's the dominant one around here.
Tom
 


Trump is the result of thousands of years of affirmative action for white men.
So was Biden but you don't complain about that.
So you really expect me to list every single white man?
Of course not but why did you single out Trump? You could have chosen any stale, pale male but you mentioned him specifically.
In light of recent news: Trump, imo, is the epitome of someone succeeding beyond his merit, innate and earned, based solely upon having been born white and male. He inherited a fortune, has lost that much money multiple times and without any demonstrable ability to manage his own assets, has been elected -twice-as POTUS, over two far more qualified, more prepared candidates —who happen to be burdened by what appears to be the insurmountable fault of not having a penis. Therefore, they are less qualified than a senile old man who reportedly has no more control over his bodily functions than he has over his temper, who is despised by his wife, who has been publicly reviled by the overwhelming majority of his first cabinet and who encouraged an armed mob to find and kill his own vice president. Plus he stole, then attempted to cover up his theft of top secret documents. In other words, he’s a treasonous piece of shit but hey, he’s white and has dangly bits so he’s qualified.

There is not a non-white or non-male in the world who could be so completely unqualified and still get the job—any job.
 
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Yes I am surprised that so many Christians have supported him :cry:
I don't want to hurt your feelings.

But I see Christian teachings as the destruction of the USA and democracy. It's not the only ideology based on human authority and subservient behavior. But it's the dominant one around here.
Tom
Sorry, but please show us one thing of Jesus Christ's teachings that Trump follows.
 
Yes I am surprised that so many Christians have supported him :cry:
I don't want to hurt your feelings.

But I see Christian teachings as the destruction of the USA and democracy. It's not the only ideology based on human authority and subservient behavior. But it's the dominant one around here.
Tom
Sorry, but please show us one thing of Jesus Christ's teachings that Trump follows.

Well he does cast out demons democrats. :tomato:
 
Yes I am surprised that so many Christians have supported him :cry:
I don't want to hurt your feelings.

But I see Christian teachings as the destruction of the USA and democracy. It's not the only ideology based on human authority and subservient behavior. But it's the dominant one around here.
Tom
Sorry, but please show us one thing of Jesus Christ's teachings that Trump follows.

Well he does cast out demons democrats. :tomato:
I can’t think of one thing Joel Osteen does of which a Jesus would approve. But “Christians” follow him and send him money too.
 
I did not write nor imply that white men are inferior to anybody.
Again, this is what you actually wrote:
Toni said:
Because white men cannot compete if the odds are not stacked in their favor. They cannot stand against real competition unless they make all the rules and judgements in their favor.
Are you taking that back?
I said that they could only maintain their near exclusive hold on wealth and power by writing the rules so that they favor maintaining wealth and control in the hands of white males, and limiting the abilities of women and non-whites so that they had less access to education, accumulation and control over wealth—or their own bodies, their own labor and the fruits of their labor for that matter.
That state of affairs is in the past. It has not been the case for decades. In more recent decades we have had the opposite under the banner of "affirmative action".
At most, I implied that white men are selfish bullies.
That too is a racist and sexist generalization. You are also still using present tense when referring to something that happened in the past.
I will further state that at least in some cases, as you so richly illustrate in your oddly but so predictably aggrieved post, white men seem to lack any awareness outside of their own personal experiences and their self-entitlement fueled insecurities.
We can't compete, we are selfish bullies, we lack self-awareness. Are you even aware of racism and sexism in your posts?

I repeatedly said that people should be treated as individuals. There should not be discrimination based on race or gender for or against certain groups. You dislike that - you want there to be discrimination in favor of groups you like. And you insult white men if we disagree that we should be discriminated against.

I think Trump's reelection is a disaster. But it was made possible to a large extent by attitudes of leftists like you. White men do not feel welcome in the Democratic Party because of people like you who view us all as unable to compete, selfish bullies and oppressors.
 
I did not write nor imply that white men are inferior to anybody.
Again, this is what you actually wrote:
Toni said:
Because white men cannot compete if the odds are not stacked in their favor. They cannot stand against real competition unless they make all the rules and judgements in their favor.
Are you taking that back?
I said that they could only maintain their near exclusive hold on wealth and power by writing the rules so that they favor maintaining wealth and control in the hands of white males, and limiting the abilities of women and non-whites so that they had less access to education, accumulation and control over wealth—or their own bodies, their own labor and the fruits of their labor for that matter.
That state of affairs is in the past. It has not been the case for decades. In more recent decades we have had the opposite under the banner of "affirmative action".
At most, I implied that white men are selfish bullies.
That too is a racist and sexist generalization. You are also still using present tense when referring to something that happened in the past.
I will further state that at least in some cases, as you so richly illustrate in your oddly but so predictably aggrieved post, white men seem to lack any awareness outside of their own personal experiences and their self-entitlement fueled insecurities.
We can't compete, we are selfish bullies, we lack self-awareness. Are you even aware of racism and sexism in your posts?
The embrace of victimhood is strong in your post.

I repeatedly said that people should be treated as individuals. There should not be discrimination based on race or gender for or against certain groups. You dislike that - you want there to be discrimination in favor of groups you like. And you insult white men if we disagree that we should be discriminated against.

I think Trump's reelection is a disaster. But it was made possible to a large extent by attitudes of leftists like you. White men do not feel welcome in the Democratic Party because of people like you who view us all as unable to compete, selfish bullies and oppressors.
I am a white man, I feel welcome in the Democratic party. Do you realize how insultingly sexist and childish your post sounds?
 
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