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Trump Vs Iran

From reporting Trump has a hankering for a Nobel Peace Prize. Probably part of his fantasy of being a great historical leader.



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Pakistan has formally recommended US President Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize, citing his “decisive diplomatic intervention” following a spike in violence between India and Pakistan earlier this year.

The government praised Trump for leveraging his “pivotal leadership” in May, when several days of cross-border strikes marked the worst regional fighting between the two nuclear-armed nations since 1971, killing dozens and stoking fears of a wider war.

Islamabad and New Delhi agreed to a US-brokered truce on May 8, as one final burst of strikes ripped through parts of the long-disputed Kashmir region – to which both countries claim full sovereignty.

“At a moment of heightened regional turbulence, President Trump demonstrated great strategic foresight and stellar statesmanship through robust diplomatic engagement with both Islamabad and New Delhi,” Pakistan’s government said in a statement on Saturday.

The US president helped in “averting a broader conflict between the two nuclear states that would have had catastrophic consequences for millions of people in the region and beyond” the statement added.
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Stroking Trumps ego. Trump wants prase, recognition of greatness, and glory.
 
crazyfingers said:
bilby said:
pood said:
One of Russia’s top gangsters, Medvedev, said “many nations” would be willing to give nukes to Iran. Not sure who he means, since not many nations have them, but Russia does.
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Well, these are the not many:

Israel (probably)
USA
UK
France
India
North Korea
Pakistan
Russia

Of these, it's hard to see any of the first five on the list wanting to gift or sell a nuclear weapon to Iran. North Korea likely doesn't have any to spare.

That leaves two, which struggles to qualify as "many".

Pakistan is highly unlikely to reduce their ability to deter India, or to destroy their diplomatic position in the world, by providing Tehran with nukes.

That leaves just one "many country".
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Also China
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I knew I was missing one. Thanks.
 
pood said:
Harry Bosch said:
Colonel Sanders said:
Elixir said:
Colonel Sanders said:
No one's giving nukes to Iran.
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Nobody with nukes wants more crazies with nukes. But if there is economic or political utility to propping up a threat of more crazies with nukes, then it will be done.
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Realistically, what country would give nukes to Iran, thereby unnecessarily exposing itself to grave consequences? It's just not going to happen.

Even conventional weapons will be a problem to supply Iran with, let alone nukes. Russia is in no position to help Iran, China won't do it for obvious reasons, and neither will any other Arab states. Pakistan may be a possibility, but they're not official allies and their relations are strained.

In short, Iran stands almost wholly alone.

I agree that the U.S.'s military strike was stupid and will have predictable fallout, but in terms of nukes and military capability Iran doesn't inspire much fear.
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Good post. I agree. As an aside, why does Iran have to be at war with Israel anyway? What is the root of their wanting war? I actually understand why a country would want nuclear weapons. But why do they want war?
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It doesn’t want war. It wants an enemy to direct their people’s attention against. That way they can divert attention of the public from the mess they have made of the nation’s economy and their tyrannical social policies. Israel is an easy enemy for an Islamic theocracy since Israel is a Jewish state.
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It's also an ideal enemy because there's no shared border. So no likelihood of (or demands from the public for) invasion, in either direction.
pood said:
If Iran did get a nuclear weapon, it would never use it. To do so would be national suicide.
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It should, ideally, be national suicide for any nation to use nuclear weapons.

Whether that's the case for the USA is unclear, which worries me a bit.
 
pood said:
Harry Bosch said:
Colonel Sanders said:
Elixir said:
Colonel Sanders said:
No one's giving nukes to Iran.
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Nobody with nukes wants more crazies with nukes. But if there is economic or political utility to propping up a threat of more crazies with nukes, then it will be done.
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Realistically, what country would give nukes to Iran, thereby unnecessarily exposing itself to grave consequences? It's just not going to happen.

Even conventional weapons will be a problem to supply Iran with, let alone nukes. Russia is in no position to help Iran, China won't do it for obvious reasons, and neither will any other Arab states. Pakistan may be a possibility, but they're not official allies and their relations are strained.

In short, Iran stands almost wholly alone.

I agree that the U.S.'s military strike was stupid and will have predictable fallout, but in terms of nukes and military capability Iran doesn't inspire much fear.
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Good post. I agree. As an aside, why does Iran have to be at war with Israel anyway? What is the root of their wanting war? I actually understand why a country would want nuclear weapons. But why do they want war?
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It doesn’t want war. It wants an enemy to direct their people’s attention against. That way they can divert attention of the public from the mess they have made of the nation’s economy and their tyrannical social policies. Israel is an easy enemy for an Islamic theocracy since Israel is a Jewish state. If Iran did get a nuclear weapon, it would never use it. To do so would be national suicide.
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Well, not very smart. I'd recommend waging a war with someone who can't hurt you, say Luxemburg or Congo. Israel doesn't mess around regarding their safety. Anyway, sounds like Israel and Iran have announced a ceasefire. An expensive lesson for Iran.
 
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ZiprHead said:
Iran state television is is announcing ceasefire with Israel.
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Well it's all over then. If we know anything about Israel, it's that they never, ever, ever violate ceasefire agreements. Yes, friends...head into the streets and celebrate, because peace has finally arrived in the Middle East.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get a bucket to mop up all that dripping sarcasm...
 
So, what has been accomplished?

If Iran was indeed seeking a nuclear weapon, a claim denied by U.S. intelligence, Israel and the U.S. may have set it back a little. You can’t kill knowledge.

A bunch of innocent Iranians and Israelis were killed.

Trump, a demented monster, gets to wave his dick around and says he forced “peace.”

Netanyahu got a brief reprieve from scrutiny of his ongoing massacres in Gaza.

The world as usual.
 
There is no question that Iran has long been a bad actor. One of the worse in a region of bad actors.

It was bound to come to a head sooner or later. Iran said it would activate sleeper cells in the USA.

Iran is run by religious fanatics. The Israeli Zionist government led by Netanyahu are religious fanatics. Saudi Arabia is a theocracy, the Koran is the top level law.

The idea at this point that there will be peace in the region is ridiculous.

Israel is calling Iran guilty of war crimes for destroying civilian buildings. Netanyahu said imagine all of the Iranian o0rdance being expended on tiny Israel, this after all the ordnance rained down mercilessly on tiny captive Gaza and its people.

Iran and Israel deserve each other.
 
21st century Peace Summit cookout:

Iran: “Y’all fake. I get hit with drones like it’s Amazon Prime, then y’all be like ‘let’s deescalate.’ FOH. You want peace? Stop invading my airspace like it’s a group chat.”

U.S.A.: “Group chat?! Bruh, you got Hezbollah in Lebanon, the Houthis in Yemen, Shi’a militias in Iraq, you are the group chat. You don’t want peace, you just mad you ain’t admin!”

Iran: “Aight, but you the same dude who be fightin’ wars on credit. Got 31 trillion in debt and still actin’ like the neighborhood cop. Bitch you ain’t Batman, go sit yo ass down.”

U.S.A.: “At least we show up. You be sneak dissin’ with enrichment programs and acting surprised when the block get hot.”

China (eating honey): “Funny hearing ‘block get hot’ from the country that lit every block since Hiroshima. Wit yo Marvel villain head ass.”

U.S.A.: “China. :rolleyes:Go back to pirating our tech and pretendin’ your economy not in shambles. Your property market collapsed like your credibility.”

China: “You say that while I'm holdin’ all these U.S. bonds like I’m your baby mama with receipts. Keep playin’, I’ll call in the debt and make your dollar do the Harlem Shake.”

Russia: “Debt? Man, y’all beefin’ with wallets. I’m beefin’ with NATO on God Mode. I took Crimea with a ski mask on.”

Iran: “You also took Ls in Ukraine like it was sponsored by Adidas. You sent a million troops to do what? Get clapped by tractors?”

Russia: “Least I got boots on the ground. Unlike Israel who got soldiers takin’ selfies in Gaza then cryin’ about bad PR.”

Israel: “Y’all mad ‘cause I defend myself! I don’t start nothin’. I just finish what terrorists begin.”

Saudi Arabia: “Finish? Bruh, you been ‘finishing’ Palestine since the ‘40s and it’s still goin’. You like a reboot of the same bad movie: Occupation 7: This Time It’s a broken record.”

Palestine: “Y’all arguein’ like y’all care. But let’s be real, Saudi sent us prayers, not aid. Iran sent us rockets, not results. And Egypt? Locked the gates like we grounded.”

Egypt: “Don’t come for me bruh. I gave y’all Rafah. What more you want, my mama’s Wi-Fi?”

Jordan: “Ayo, if we all shut up for a second, maybe we can have a peace process..”

!!Everyone!!: “Jordan, shut yo’ neutral, can’t-pick-a-side, hosting-everybody’s army ass up!”

Yemen: “Look at all y’all tryna flex. Meanwhile I’m fightin’ Saudis with duct tape.”

Saudi Arabia: “And I’m fightin’ you while buying yachts and wives in bulk. Don’t get it twisted, I fund both the war and the afterparty.”

Russia: “Bruh got Gucci airstrikes but can’t handle a wedding procession without casualties.”

Syria: “All y’all forgot me, huh? Still got 5 countries beefin’ in my house like it’s a Jordan Peele movie.”

Turkey: “Nigga you da Airbnb of war! We come in, bomb a little & dip. Even the Kurds got keys.”

World Bank: (walks in late): “Yo, y’all need peace, for real. Investors getting spooked.”

Iran: “You mean the same investors who fund both sides? Bro, you the reason this beef has sequels.”

Random Kid (eating shawarma): “Didn’t they say this was a peace conference?”

Old head in a kufi: “It is, lil bro. In the Middle East, peace starts with a roast.”
 
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ZiprHead said:
Gospel said:
I added the banners. :rolleyes:
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Thanks for admitting that. I was about to get pissed.
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I'd say Gospel adding the banners was creative license, however, well within the context of Trump's statement.

Of course, this ceasefire and victory goes hand in hand with him bringing peace between North and South Korea.

The interesting thing is that Iran doesn't appear to have many options other than creative asymmetrical warfare. Also, VP Vance's statement on the nuclear weapon potential with Iran was incredibly weak. Almost like Iran knew they attacks were coming and they moved the moved juice.
 
bilby said:
The Hundred Years War lasted a hundred and sixteen years.

We can reasonably expect the Twelve Days War to last at least a hundred and twelve days. :D
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Technically, we are currently 77 years into this Hundred Year war.
 
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Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

CONGRATULATIONS TO ME!!! On the assumption that everything works as it should, which it will, I have won the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE for solving the Middle Easts! I solved it with a great big bomb that went KABOOM!!! I have won the biggest, finest Nobel Peace Prize in history, the best peace prize! A phenomenal job I’ve done here, the best job ever. So I want to wish a HAPPY NOBEL PEACE PRIZE TO ME DAY to everyone, including the sleazebags in the press, Crooked Hillary Clinton and Crooked Joe Biden, and all the Marxist and scumbag traitors in the Democratic Party. WAIT! Did I hear someone say that Israel, or Iraq or Iran or whatever, have violated the cease-fire that I set up to last forever? If so, LET ME KNOW IMMEDIATELY! STOP IT BIBI!!!
 
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