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2023 House vote for speaker

Always need to be a bit suspect about photos on Twitter but this appears to have been posted by Reuters Picture editor.

The photo is real, but a white supremacist intent is not very clear.



He lies so much that if he was caught in black face, waiving a rope round in his hand while mumble rapping the word nigga over and over I wouldn't believe him. I mean, I wouldn't care if he was shot for it but I wouldn't believe him.
 
The fundamental problem seems to be that the constitution was written by people who assumed that the holders of elected office, regardless of their opinions, would inevitably be intelligent, educated, and public-spirited people, who would address their differences with debate, evidence, thoughtfulness and compromise.

The idea that a sufficiently large number of representatives-elect to stall the entire government would be idiotic monomaniacs who have so little grasp of reality that they conflate "compromise" with "weakness", and whose purpose owes exactly nothing to the nation, the public at large, or even the voters who put them in office, but is instead driven entirely by crazy conspiracy theories and rabid self interest, simply didn't occur to the founding fathers.
 
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[Ted Lieu with a bag of popcorn]
You know, the Speaker is elected by the whole House. To me, that means that the whole House has the responsibility to find a candidate that can gather a majority behind him. Instead of stuffing their pieholes with popcorn and reveling in Schadenfreude, maybe Dems should reach across the aisle to find some sort of compromise.

That's like blaming a battered wife for living with a serial abuser.
Considering who you're arguing against, you could have used a different analogy. The one you made could be...misconstrued.
 
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Instagram: “Jan 3, 2023: What happens when you don’t elect a speaker?”

She's home with her pet dog Deco. She found it funny that someone called for evicting Kevin McCarthy from his office as a squatter. She noted that the US Senate has one of the longest continuous sessions in the world, because Senators' terms are staggered. But each House session ends every two years. She showed the number of her Congressional ID pin: 118. Then she noted that the House clerk must receive certificates of election.

From the election, it's two months to figure out who will be House Speaker, and KMC had all that time to get a majority of House votes. He got most of the R votes, but not all of them. One votes for someone or else one votes "Present", and one's vote will be counted.

This is the first time that a Speaker vote failed in a century. The last time it happened was in 1923, and before that in the 1850's, when the country was in turmoil over the issue of slavery, like the caning of Charles Sumner. In 1855: 133 round of voting. Without a Speaker, nobody gets sworn in, and it's the House Clerk who runs he House. No House business is possible. KMC might get elected if he gets some D votes. Then about Steve Scalise, 2nd in leadership, she notes rumors that he isn't interested.

She then stated that the D's were careful to fund the gov't until the end of this fiscal year, which is next September. That was H.R.2617 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2023 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress and she was the only D to vote against it, because of its military spending some $45 billion in excess of what President Biden requested. If the gov't had shut down, like when she entered Congress, it would have remained shut down as long as the House had no Speaker.

Do it again until enough people change their minds? Yes, until someone gets a majority.

As to her and Matt Gaetz, that was about some proposed deal where the D's would vote "Present" or not at all, so KMC could then get a majority of the votes. AOC told him that the D's will continue to vote for HJ.

She mentioned that party leaderships have a way of dealing with members who don't do what they want: to threaten to cut off campaign funding, not only directly, but also indirectly, by convincing big donors to not donate to them. But politicians who receive lots of small-dollar donations aren't subject to that kind of pressure, politicians like her.

As to what the anti-KMC R's want, some things are very bad, while some other things not so bad, like reducing the power of the Speakership. Over the last half-century, the Speaker has accumulated more and more power at the expense of rank-and-file members. KMC is willing to concede on right-wing sorts of issues, like reinstating the likes of MTG. AOC then stated that she often disagrees with the House D leadership. She also suspects that lobbyists gaining more power is associated with more centralized power in legislatures, from lobbyists having to influence fewer people to get what they want.

Who might AOC want as Speaker? She mentioned the possibility of a nonpartisan Speaker.

Will R's work with D's to support an alternative candidate? That's up to the R's.

Committees have numbers of members of each party in proportion to the overall numbers in the committee's chamber. All the committee chairpeople come from the majority party, and I note that the "ranking member" is the highest-ranking member from the other party.

Plurality vote? I note that the Congresspeople have to vote for election by plurality, whoever gets the most votes wins, rather than a majority, whoever gets more than half of the votes.

How can the House function when the R party doesn't want to actually govern? Then she criticized both-sides-ism. Wanting Medicare for All is not as extreme as willingness to do violence against politicians that one dislikes. She then noted that billionaires fund far-right activist movements. The Koch brothers, the Mercer family, ... right-wing podcasters often call themselves bootstrappy upstarts when they are often financed by oligarchs. The left, however, has grassroots funding, with lots of small-donor donations, without billionaires funding it. George Soros, for instance, seems to prefer funding more centrist Democrats.

She then mentions that the left has a policy agenda, and she described hers: universal healthcare, aggressive action to confront the climate crisis, taxing the rich, improving the path to citizenship, improving working power, like supporting labor unions and worker cooperatives. Then she says that the right wing had earlier been a little bit principled, like some decades ago, but nowadays, it's chasing clicks and views and the like, and that the R party might as well endorse Tucker Carlson for Speaker, since they all do what he says anyway. Or at least so she says.

Then saying that R's don't have a real plan for the border other than shutting it down. She also said that the US has a big labor shortage, and keeping immigrants out will only make it worse. Anti-immigrant ~ anti-healthy-economy. She said that we should look at countries with strong anti-immigrant policies.

She then said that there is a difference between on one side, many rank-and-file R's, many R voters, and on the other side, the elected R's -- and I'm sure, many R activists. She says that many R pols seem very obedient to Tucker Carlson, and that this is from Rupert Murdoch's money.

It doesn't happen only on the Right, and she mentioned Noam Chomsky's concept of "manufactured consent" in the mainstream news media. Like military-themed video games as recruitment tools. She also says that ad-sponsored media is incentivized media, that news-media companies may not want to displease their advertisers. She recommended that one have a varied media diet, and not just corporate-sponsored media: worker-owned media, publically-spondored media, grassroots media independent of ad placement.
 
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[Ted Lieu with a bag of popcorn]
You know, the Speaker is elected by the whole House. To me, that means that the whole House has the responsibility to find a candidate that can gather a majority behind him. Instead of stuffing their pieholes with popcorn and reveling in Schadenfreude, maybe Dems should reach across the aisle to find some sort of compromise.
So enabling misbehavior is good when it's right-wingers' misbehavior that is being enabled.
 
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Instagram: “Speaker’s Race update w/ @gregcasar” - Jan. 4.
That's Greg Casar, Rep-elect from Austin TX. They seemed a friendly bunch, joking about how their Congress ID pins' green backgrounds are Green New Deal ones. AOC said that the far right thinks that the left wing runs Congress, "If only", she said, saying that if that was true, we'd have Medicare for All. GC then talked about Texas gerrymandering supporting R's from that state. The two then noted that many people are checked out from politics.

Then mentioning how active the House floor now is. AOC also says that she heard that some R's were waiting for instructions from Tucker Carlson. Then the two thinking that Kevin McCarthy is not likely to become Speaker.

Then on some R's accusations that the D's were bring blankets, popcorn, and CH3CH2OH. AOC said that she wished that there was some of the latter substance. She also suspected that that was projection.

GC noted that R's are united in talking about the border. He says that he was recently on the Mexican side, and that he saw lots of moms and kids and aunts and the like from Haiti and El Salvador and the like. The right wing is fearmongering about people in need and refugees and asylum seekers.

Their first bill is likely to be to let tax cheats off the hook, something that their big donors want, but they are likely to continue to fearmonger about poor black and brown people.

Are D's trying to flip R's to vote for Hakeem Jeffries? AOC thought it unlikely, because if KMC is too liberal for them, then HJ is far too liberal for them. Then on the R's not developing any alternative to KMC, and how the R's are now split into two hostile camps. GC noted that KMC didn't seem to be trying to convince the "No" voters very much, and he recalled his own experience on the Austin City Council, where he'd walk over to other councilmembers and ask what he could do for someone who voted against something of his. AOC noted that he was on his phone at one point.

Then bragging about how they will eventually flip Texas blue.
 
Office of the Clerk, U.S. House of Representatives - Votes - the votes once again.

The twelfth vote (#15, Jan 06, 2023, 01:46 PM): all the D's voted for Hakeem Jeffries, except for David Trone MD, who had to be operated on. Of the R's who did not vote for Kevin McCarthy,
  • Jim Jordan: 4: Biggs AZ, Gaetz FL, Good VA, Harris MD
  • Kevin Hern: 3: Boebert CO, Crane AZ, Rosendale MT
  • Not voting: 2: Buck CO, Hunt TX
Several of the rebels voted for KMC: Bishop NC, Brecheen OK, Cloud TX, Clyde GA, Donalds FL, Gosar AZ, Luna FL, Miller IL, Norman SC, Ogles TN, Perry PA, Roy TX, Self TX, Spartz IL

The thirteenth vote (#16, Jan 06, 2023, 02:55 PM): all the D's voted for HJ, including DT: David Trone rushes from surgery to Capitol to cast speaker vote Of the R's who did not vote for Kevin McCarthy,
  • Jim Jordan: 6: Biggs AZ, Boebert CO, Crane AZ, Gaetz FL, Good VA, Rosendale MT
  • Not voting: 2: Buck CO, Hunt TX
KMC got one more vote: Harris MD.

So KMC, with 214 votes, now has a plurality, the most votes, but still not a majority. He'll need 217 votes for that. HJ still has 212 votes, with no R's voting for him.

That session's adjournment vote (#17, Jan 06, 2023, 03:35 PM ) was R Y 220, D N 212, and the same two R nonvoters as earlier. The House will be adjourned until 10 pm this day. All times Eastern Time, I must note.
 
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[Ted Lieu with a bag of popcorn]
You know, the Speaker is elected by the whole House. To me, that means that the whole House has the responsibility to find a candidate that can gather a majority behind him. Instead of stuffing their pieholes with popcorn and reveling in Schadenfreude, maybe Dems should reach across the aisle to find some sort of compromise.
The Republicans have made it clear that they aren't interested in negotiating. Why should it be the job of the Democrats to fix the Republican problems?
 
Hey, Republicans, why not settle this honorably? Fragmentation grenades at high noon on the National Mall. (Fragmentation grenades have a danger range greater than the distance they can be thrown.)
 
Watching it live, and the GOP rep speaking paid "tribute" to the folks who actually run the place. Pages. Staffers. Capitol police. You know...the people they wanted to have killed 2 years ago!
 
Congress Up All Night is underway for the 14th vote on rudderless Kevin's shamelessly desperate speakership campaign. Presumably he has the votes this time?

 
Looks like he has won... the weakest Speakership in history. Let's start investigating the laptop.
 
Looks like he has won... the weakest Speakership in history. Let's start investigating the laptop.

He gave away the store in concessions. McCarthy is going to make Boehner look like an emperor.
 
He hasn't won yet. It will come down to Gaetz, who did not vote when first called. When his name gets called at the end, he can be the deciding vote for McCarthy. It would be very much like this preening prat to clumsily make himself the spotlight vote.

If not this round, then by the 16th, cuz Gaetz doesn't like anything over 16.
 
Wait, two of the biggest cunts in the House, Gaetz and Boehart, are the ones to shift out?! What a pair of cunts.

But in present, still one vote shy for McCarthy.
 
And Gaetz pulls the football from Kevin. But he did make himself the center of attention which is his main goal.

And oh shit, Mike Rogers was pulled away from going toward Gaetz. 😲

That was only after McCarthy further debased himself by walking over to and pleading with Gaetz in front of everyone.

Since we've going back to pre civil war congressional dynamics, maybe we can get another caning incident on the floor. 🙏
 
About the camera panning around:
The Washington Post on Instagram: “The typical live stream from the U.S. House…”
The typical live stream from the U.S. House is focused on the dais and the desks from which members of each party address the chamber. But this week brought an unusual amount of drama as the American public watched lawmakers struggle to select a new speaker.

And that’s largely thanks to C-SPAN. The House Radio-TV Gallery told The Washington Post that C-SPAN was given permission in advance of the voting for its cameras to visually roam across the chamber.

Congressional reporter Camila DeChalus (@camiladechalus) explains more.
 
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