A Black History Month Moment: The Black Panther Party for Self Defense

[AthenaAwakened]

Who has defended the torture and death of anyone? Be specific.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Go read the account of torture and murder of Alex Rackley. That is what you are defending.
Or go and read about all the violent crime your hero Huey Newton has committed, including murder and attempted murder of a witness.
COINTELPRO might not have been pretty, but given mafia-like ability of BPP members to escape justice over and over again extraordinary measures were more than justified.

Did you seriously just compare the Black Panthers to the mob?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

On the morning of December 4, 1969, lawyer Jeffrey Haas received a call from his partner at the People’s Law Office, informing him that early that morning Chicago police had raided the apartment of Illinois Black Panther Party Chairman Fred Hampton at 2337 West Monroe Street in Chicago. Tragically, Hampton and fellow Panther Mark Clark had both been shot dead, and four other Panthers in the apartment had critical gunshot wounds. Police were uninjured and had fired their guns 90-99 times. In sharp contrast, the Panthers had shot once, from the shotgun held by Mark Clark, which had most likely been fired after Clark had been fatally shot in the heart and was falling to the ground.

http://zinnedproject.org/materials/the-assassination-of-fred-hampton/

In other words, they didn't do a very good job of shooting at the police.

I also note an absence of a listing of whether the rest of them were armed or not. Given the spin involved I figure this omission is deliberate, the rest were armed but too slow on the draw.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Nevermind.

 

[untermensche]

http://zinnedproject.org/materials/the-assassination-of-fred-hampton/

In other words, they didn't do a very good job of shooting at the police.

I also note an absence of a listing of whether the rest of them were armed or not. Given the spin involved I figure this omission is deliberate, the rest were armed but too slow on the draw.

It has long been determined that Hampton was murdered in cold blood.

If one defends his killing there is no government violation of rights one won't defend.

 

[laughing dog]

Erika Hudgins, Laney College and Berkeley City College. Was involved in interrogation and torture of Alex Rackley at least (hwer voice was on the tape, yet a lefty jury acquitted her).
Warren Kimbro was one of the two gunmen convicted in the Alex Rackley murder. He only served four years and was then promptly hired as Assistant Dean of Eastern Connecticut State University.
Those two are the ones I remember from reading about Alex Rackley. I am sure there are many more.

and the evidence that shows they got the job because of his or her murderous acts.

That would be tough to prove but in any case, there involvement with a radical organization like BPP should have disqualified them from being professors.

In other words, you have no evidence to support your claim that anyone was hired as a professor because of their murderous acts.

Now, you need to explain why involvement in a radical organization should be automatically disqualified from professorships in an institution that is based in large part on the notion of the freedom of speech and inquiry.

 

[untermensche]

What of course is interesting is the Black Panthers arose in response to racist abuse by the police.

And still today we have continual racist abuse by the police.

One can say they failed, or more accurately were successfully crushed with force.

 

[whichphilosophy]

So you have no proof, but you really like typing this stuff so you will keep on making specific accusations for which you have no proof.

Why else would you hire murderers and torturers to teach at your university unless you hire them because of their violent radicalism? Kimbro was hired as assistant dean right after leaving prison. Note that he murdered a young man in cold blood. A young man who had previously been tortured. Hiring Kimbro was a tacit approval of these crimes.

It's amazing how people like you glorify thugs like Newton, Seale and others who should have been locked up for the rest of their lives. And who can blame police for not trying to hard to take Fred Hampton alive given how often BPP and other black radicals were escaping justice through the courts.

I may also add Ahmad A. Rahman, Angela Davis (linked but CP leader) and Elaine Brown former BP leader but this is nothing to do with her academic achievements. Universities hire people with diverse opinions as part of the Democratic Heritage. During the 1960s and 1970s. In the 1960s it was sometimes difficult to distinguish a Sounthern American Republican from a Klansman. Just a few years before Presley Music was banned in some places as (shall we say) non white music.

At one time COINTELPRO was supposed to be the imagination of conspiracy theorists but these was an Un-American program that existed to undermine perceived and imaginary enemies of the state.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

In other words, they didn't do a very good job of shooting at the police.

I also note an absence of a listing of whether the rest of them were armed or not. Given the spin involved I figure this omission is deliberate, the rest were armed but too slow on the draw.

It has long been determined that Hampton was murdered in cold blood.

If one defends his killing there is no government violation of rights one won't defend.

If he was murdered in cold blood he wouldn't have had an opportunity to get off a shot.

 

[untermensche]

It has long been determined that Hampton was murdered in cold blood.

If one defends his killing there is no government violation of rights one won't defend.

If he was murdered in cold blood he wouldn't have had an opportunity to get off a shot.

In what universe?

Being assassinated by the police under the direction of the FBI does in no way mean you could not get a shot off as your murderers are shooting you.

 

[laughing dog]

If he was murdered in cold blood he wouldn't have had an opportunity to get off a shot.

That is physically incorrect. Suppose the impact of the bullet(s) made his finger pull the hair trigger?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It has long been determined that Hampton was murdered in cold blood.

If one defends his killing there is no government violation of rights one won't defend.

If he was murdered in cold blood he wouldn't have had an opportunity to get off a shot.

If he was murdered in cold blood, firing the gun was an act of self defense.

 

[RavenSky]

We know the Black Panthers were involved in positive social programs

I am sure serving a few breakfasts makes up for all their misdeeds.

And I am sure, based on your own posts, that a few misdeeds wipe out all good deeds as if they never ever happened.

If the person is black or female.

If the person is a cop, no amount of misdeeds can knocked the halo off in your eyes.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

It has long been determined that Hampton was murdered in cold blood.

If one defends his killing there is no government violation of rights one won't defend.

If he was murdered in cold blood he wouldn't have had an opportunity to get off a shot.

Wrong again Loren. People who have been mortally wounded have shot a gun, made a dying declaration, carrying wounded comrades to safety.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

One of my first memories on this planet is of the riots in DC in '68. The order of the day was containment. Police and Fire were told to keep the riot from spreading and to just let certain things go, let them burn, let the looters take what they wanted. Our neighborhood was one of the places that they were suppose to just let go. My dad and the men of neighborhood did what they could. We lived one of the area that suffered from some of the heaviest rioting. Fearing the fire would spread to G street, the men of the neighborhood wet down the roofs of our neighborhood with garden hoses. Miss Connelly across the street gathered us kids together so she could take us to her summer house in Virginia Beach. How she planned to fit over two dozen kids in a Nova, I will never know. It took my mom over two hours that night to drive home from Bethesda, where she worked. When she got home, she went into the utility closet, came out with a can of spray paint and told my brother to write on both sides of out brand new Electra 225 the words "Soul Sister." You see, when it became clear that the police were not coming and the fire engines were being used to block off streets, the Black Panthers took matters into their hands, set up check points and started patrols. The writing on the cars were a first sign that you lived in the neighborhood and that you belonged there. You were not coming in to start more fires and more trouble. The Panther restored order to our neighborhood and without them more damage would have been done, more lives would have been endangered and lost. My folks were not fans of the Panthers, but for three days in April 1968, they were sure glad the Panthers were around.

So Derec, you take your opinions, your half truths, and your hate, fold them all five ways and stick 'em where ... , well you know the rest. I'll go with what I know.

 

[Derec]

One of my first memories on this planet is of the riots in DC in '68. The order of the day was containment. Police and Fire were told to keep the riot from spreading and to just let certain things go, let them burn, let the looters take what they wanted.

Reminds me of Baltimore mayor (during Freddie Grey riots) telling police to give room to those who wish to destroy.

The Panther restored order to our neighborhood

Totalitarian groups often do. That does not excuse their totalitarianism. By the way, do you have any corroboration of your claim that BPP restored order during DC riots in 1968? The wiki page at least does not mention them at all. How old were you in 1968? Perhaps you remembered wrong.

and without them more damage would have been done, more lives would have been endangered and lost. My folks were not fans of the Panthers, but for three days in April 1968, they were sure glad the Panthers were around.

And that excuses all the bad things they did? Besides, the riots were borne out of the same kind of radicalism that also fueled the Panthers.

So Derec, you take your opinions, your half truths, and your hate, fold them all five ways and stick 'em where ... , well you know the rest. I'll go with what I know.

What is your opinion on BPP murdering people, including cops and their fellow members? What is your opinion of their allegiance to Maosim? What is your opinion about their racist policies that demanded black people be given special privileges?

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And I am sure, based on your own posts, that a few misdeeds wipe out all good deeds as if they never ever happened.

I am saying serving breakfast is a poor atonement for murder.

If the person is black or female.

Wrong.

If the person is a cop, no amount of misdeeds can knocked the halo off in your eyes.

Wrong again.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I am sure serving a few breakfasts makes up for all their misdeeds.

Well, those roughly 10,000 children that weren't going to eat in the morning probably appreciated it.

 

[Derec]

That is physically incorrect. Suppose the impact of the bullet(s) made his finger pull the hair trigger?

Why was his finger on the trigger finger as police were executing a warrant? Sounds like police opening fire was self defense.

 

[laughing dog]

That is physically incorrect. Suppose the impact of the bullet(s) made his finger pull the hair trigger?

Why was his finger on the trigger finger as police were executing a warrant? Sounds like police opening fire was self defense.

Perhaps he put his finger on the trigger after the shooting started or perhaps he was moving his finger off but it had not finished. There are lots of possibilities that indicate that LP's claim is simply physically untrue: that the fact he got a shot off means the police necessarily were acting in self defense. While I can understand why the bootlickers of police authority, bigots or the reasoning or imagination impaired would rise to the defense of bald-faced untruths, why are you?

I am saying serving breakfast is a poor atonement for murder.

You do realize that most Black Panthers committed no murders, yet you condemn them as a group.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Reminds me of Baltimore mayor (during Freddie Grey riots) telling police to give room to those who wish to destroy.

The Panther restored order to our neighborhood

Totalitarian groups often do. That does not excuse their totalitarianism. By the way, do you have any corroboration of your claim that BPP restored order during DC riots in 1968? The wiki page at least does not mention them at all. How old were you in 1968? Perhaps you remembered wrong.

and without them more damage would have been done, more lives would have been endangered and lost. My folks were not fans of the Panthers, but for three days in April 1968, they were sure glad the Panthers were around.

And that excuses all the bad things they did? Besides, the riots were borne out of the same kind of radicalism that also fueled the Panthers.

So Derec, you take your opinions, your half truths, and your hate, fold them all five ways and stick 'em where ... , well you know the rest. I'll go with what I know.

What is your opinion on BPP murdering people, including cops and their fellow members? What is your opinion of their allegiance to Maosim? What is your opinion about their racist policies that demanded black people be given special privileges?

My opinion is that you are in need of an enema.